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The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Punch - 2011-03-15

I really don't want to believe that Nexon or any business as large and popular as them would use something as horrible as the current situation to profit off of it.

Look at this way, if you would please:
Nexon is giving 100% profit to Japan on everything in the Cash Shop except the GAME Tab, because the GAME Tab is their biggest profit section..
1. They just more clearly state this
2. They should label the tab with something for this time period to let people know
3. I don't think they're cooking up a ploy here, I just think they're too greedy to give their best profits away.. so they're giving away their lesser profits, which isn't a bad thing..

I'm just neutral on the subject.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - TrueBlitz - 2011-03-15

IImaplers Wrote:-If they really cared for the victims, they'd just mention their donation, not the part about certain (I bet minimal) proceeds from certain CS items going to relief agencies.

Well, Nexon just donated 1.2mil. They need to somehow get it back.

Punch Wrote:I really don't want to believe that Nexon or any business as large and popular as them would use something as horrible as the current situation to profit off of it.

Look at this way, if you would please:
Nexon is giving 100% profit to Japan on everything in the Cash Shop except the GAME Tab, because the GAME Tab is their biggest profit section..
1. They just more clearly state this
2. They should label the tab with something for this time period to let people know
3. I don't think they're cooking up a ploy here, I just think they're too greedy to give their best profits away.. so they're giving away their lesser profits, which isn't a bad thing..

I'm just neutral on the subject.

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The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Dusk - 2011-03-15

IImaplers Wrote:Let's be honest here, they are not doing this completely out of the kindness of their heart. Also:

-I'd actually like to see proof of this supposed upcoming 1.2 Mil donation (ss/link or it didn't happen). Nexon to false promises is the same as butter is to toast.
-If they really cared for the victims, they'd just mention their donation, not the part about certain (I bet minimal) proceeds from certain CS items going to relief agencies.

Companies always have an incentive to give back to the community. It gets their names in the news and portrays them positively. In fact, if you check the news at all, plenty of companies have jumped on the donation bandwagon, and many have donated much more than Nexon did. The idea that they are lying about making this donation is pretty silly. This is a company that made $575M USD in revenue last year. I really don't think they're going to be scraping the bucket for this donation.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Locked - 2011-03-15

I don't understand why you guys always have to look at the negative side of everything.

Let's look at the post a bit.
Quote:Dear Nexon Community,

All of us at Nexon would like to express our deepest sympathy to those affected by the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan last week. As a global company, many friends, family members, and fans of Nexon have undoubtedly been affected by these tragic events. It seems that every day, the scale of the disaster is growing, and were very concerned about the health and well-being of those that have gone days without food, water, and other basic supplies. To do our part in the global relief effort, Nexon will donate 100 million Yen (approximately $1.2 million)to aid relief agencies that are helping those affected by these devastating events.

Okay, they're donating $1.2 million dollars. That's great. Absolutely great, they're donating more money than all of you guys preaching here in Southperry combined.

Quote:We would also encourage you to help those in need in Japan by donating directly to the following aid agencies:

The Red Cross
International Medical Corps
The Salvation Army
Doctors Without Borders/Medecins Sans Frontieres

Hey look Sarah. They're encouraging to remove the third party too.

Quote:You can also help from within your Nexon gameplay experience. In addition to Nexons donation, from March 14 through March 20, Nexon America will be donate 100 percent of the proceeds from the sale of many of our in-game items to the Red Cross for the Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami disaster relief efforts.

Beginning today, Monday, March 14, through Sunday, March 20, 2011, Nexon will donate all proceeds from the sale of the following in-game items to the Red Cross' Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami relief effort:

All items save those in the Cash Shop's GAME category

Okay. They want to donate more. That's great.
Now look at it from a business perspective. You're giving away money for 6 straight days. In those 6 days, you have stuff to pay and you're losing the money to manage the servers, pay workers, make up the money they're donating, pay for electricity, land usage, etc. Yet, they're still trying to help as much as they can.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15

Sarah Wrote:The point is that anyone who mass-buys cubes or gach isn't helping anyone BUT Nexon. They're taking advantage of those people who may have been on the edge about donating. The GAME exception isn't even mentioned in this specific article which is pretty bad.



I wasn't acting superior at all, it seems to me like you're just being overly-sensitive. I was just suggesting a better means of donating to make sure they actually get your money without any catches.

I completely agree with your concern. Just because someone says they want to donate money to some releif effort doesnt mean that they will. I learned this lesson from 9/11 were only a small fraction of the money ever reacted the families.

We dont want to believe that people can be such selfish oppertunists, but history shows that many people are and they can and will do it again.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - thinbear - 2011-03-15

reminds me of this:
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I appreciate their donation, yet not totally


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15

Nexon donates $1.2million, and some of their profits, and people still find problems with it? Bravo, what do you expect them to do? Sell their company and use the money all in support of japan?

It's a nice thing they are doing, dont go fishing for something that isn't there.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Corn - 2011-03-15

Impressed Nexon is actually donating 100% of profits.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Moonlapse - 2011-03-15

Good for them.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - byakugan - 2011-03-15

As surprised and happy to see Nexon is doing something like this, I cannot help but also think that during the Haiti earthquake (one of the poorest countries), Nexon did nothing even close, whereas they go all out to help one of the strongest countries in the world.

In any case I'm not saying Japan doesn't deserve help. Props to Nexon for doing something thats trully meaningful for the first time.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Kalovale - 2011-03-15

Locked Wrote:Okay. They want to donate more. That's great.
Now look at it from a business perspective. You're giving away money for 6 straight days. In those 6 days, you have stuff to pay and you're losing the money to manage the servers, pay workers, make up the money they're donating, pay for electricity, land usage, etc. Yet, they're still trying to help as much as they can.

It's not like the money they are giving away during those 6 days is going to amount to anything compared with what they'll be MAKING during those 6 days.

We're talking about PR and money here, both of which are serious business. I can't speak for anyone else but I really do admire Nexon for their money-milking abilities strategies, from a pure business standpoint. They know their community's needs and wants, and more than occasionally have they scratched where it actually did itch. Vicious Hammers, Unlocking discount sales with milestone purchase, Miracle Cubes, Pam's Song, whatchamacall that Box of Wonders, so on and so forth.

Sure, it's great that in the end, everyone is happy and probably calling them out on this (whether they had intently planned it or not) is going to do more harm than good. And that's probably worth us staying silent about this whole fiasco of morality, because you can't feed on being moral. It still boils down to the way they did this that pisses me off; Not only are they buying the public image (which is arguably acceptable in this period of crisis), they are also managing to buy it with money from OUT of their pockets.

Again, why not 30% of their whole proceeds figures? Why not 50%? Why not 96% like they make it out to be? Why "everything but our golden-egg-laying goose"?

A moral cause does not completely justify any means, let alone a not so moral one.


GunisBack Wrote:Nexon donates $1.2million, and some of their profits, and people still find problems with it? Bravo, what do you expect them to do? Sell their company and use the money all in support of japan?

It's a nice thing they are doing, dont go fishing for something that isn't there.

I was considering licking their boots in praise before I saw the SAVE FOR OUR PRECIOUS GAME CATEGORY ITEMS. They were doing something nice for once, but then blew it.
Look, they wouldn't have any profits at all to donate SOME of that had they not chosen to do so. This is not like "Hey we make $300,000 on average every month so we're going to donate part of it, you cool?", this is "Hey people, we're going to donate a part of whatever you pay us (so feel free to pay us a lot haha)". Everything would've been dandy and fine if they cut the shady fine print bullpomegranate. Maple players are too dumb for that.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Twilight - 2011-03-15

Non-profit profiting for more than operating expenses, 'nuff said.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - xCanute - 2011-03-15

Kalovale Wrote:It's not like the money they are giving away during those 6 days is going to amount to anything compared with what they'll be MAKING during those 6 days.

We're talking about PR and money here, both of which are serious business. I can't speak for anyone else but I really do admire Nexon for their money-milking abilities strategies, from a pure business standpoint. They know their community's needs and wants, and more than occasionally have they scratched where it actually did itch. Vicious Hammers, Unlocking discount sales with milestone purchase, Miracle Cubes, Pam's Song, whatchamacall that Box of Wonders, so on and so forth.

Sure, it's great that in the end, everyone is happy and probably calling them out on this (whether they had intently planned it or not) is going to do more harm than good. And that's probably worth us staying silent about this whole fiasco of morality, because you can't feed on being moral. It still boils down to the way they did this that pisses me off; Not only are they buying the public image (which is arguably acceptable in this period of crisis), they are also managing to buy it with money from OUT of their pockets.

Again, why not 30% of their whole proceeds figures? Why not 50%? Why not 96% like they make it out to be? Why "everything but our golden-egg-laying goose"?

A moral cause does not completely justify any means, let alone a not so moral one.




I was considering licking their boots in praise before I saw the SAVE FOR OUR PRECIOUS GAME CATEGORY ITEMS. They were doing something nice for once, but then blew it.
Look, they wouldn't have any profits at all to donate SOME of that had they not chosen to do so. This is not like "Hey we make $300,000 on average every month so we're going to donate part of it, you cool?", this is "Hey people, we're going to donate a part of whatever you pay us (so feel free to pay us a lot haha)". Everything would've been dandy and fine if they cut the shady fine print bullpomegranate. Maple players are too dumb for that.
Why the hell would any company let alone any people give away their "golden egg laying goose"? Short answer:They won't. You can't just give money away and block off all other source of income. Especially with a company like nexon.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15

GunisBack Wrote:Nexon donates $1.2million, and some of their profits, and people still find problems with it? Bravo, what do you expect them to do? Sell their company and use the money all in support of japan?

It's a nice thing they are doing, dont go fishing for something that isn't there.

9/11 charities promised 100% of the profits would go to the families, and look at what happened.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/charity.asp

I see no problem with people calling out the potential scam that this may be.
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." Rahm Emanuel


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15

Kalovale Wrote:I was considering licking their boots in praise before I saw the SAVE FOR OUR PRECIOUS GAME CATEGORY ITEMS. They were doing something nice for once, but then blew it.
Look, they wouldn't have any profits at all to donate SOME of that had they not chosen to do so. This is not like "Hey we make $300,000 on average every month so we're going to donate part of it, you cool?", this is "Hey people, we're going to donate a part of whatever you pay us (so feel free to pay us a lot haha)". Everything would've been dandy and fine if they cut the shady fine print bullpomegranate. Maple players are too dumb for that.

So let me get this straight. You expect a company to get rid of ALL their profits to help a country?

lolwelcometoAmerica. You act like only Nexon would do this. Any company in their position would do this.

They are doing a good thing. Don't try and take it away from them. Besides, they are already donating $1.2 MILLION on top of this, so why is everyone bitching?

$1.2 million is a lot more then what some other companies are donating...

Here's a question for you, how much has Blizzard donated to Japan? So far, I believe that number is ZERO. And yet you guys want to complain about Nexon, when they are actually donating something?


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Anonymous Moose - 2011-03-15

GunisBack Wrote:So let me get this straight. You expect a company to get rid of ALL their profits to help a country?
If they advertise it that way, yes.
The problem is that this donation might be no more than a scam, propaganda to increase their nx sales.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Link - 2011-03-15

GunisBack Wrote:So let me get this straight. You expect a company to get rid of ALL their profits to help a country?

lolwelcometoAmerica. You act like only Nexon would do this. Any company in their position would do this.

They are doing a good thing. Don't try and take it away from them. Besides, they are already donating $1.2 MILLION on top of this, so why is everyone bitching?

$1.2 million is a lot more then what some other companies are donating...

Here's a question for you, how much has Blizzard donated to Japan? So far, I believe that number is ZERO. And yet you guys want to complain about Nexon, when they are actually donating something?

While I agree with everything you said, I would like to expand on this.


No company would give all of their profits to a relief cause -- they would set up a system where they could get more sales and have all of those sales' profits to go to charity. Otherwise, the company would go bankrupt and collapse, because they HAVE to make money to keep alive. Then, you wouldn't have MapleStory anymore.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - GunisBack - 2011-03-15

Anonymous Moose Wrote:If they advertise it that way, yes.
The problem is that this donation might be no more than a scam, propaganda to increase their nx sales.

When did they advertise it that way? They clearly state that that's not how it works.

As for the second part, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Odds are if it is a scam, they will just get sued anyways, they wouldn't risk that.

If you guys don't like it, just donate straight to the Red Cross. I'm not defending Nexon, hell I still don't like them much, but why can't you guys just admit they are doing a good thing?


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Locked - 2011-03-15

Kalovale Wrote:Hoan talking

What's in the Game section:
 Spoiler

What isn't in the Game category:
 Spoiler

191/194 pages of what you buy from the Cash Shop will be donated.

They're not trying to hide it, Hoan. They explicitly told us that it's everything except the GAME section. They're donating 100% of profits merely by the way it's sounded. If they say they're donating 100% of their profits, it has a bigger impact than if they say 50% of their profits. The only thing in the GAME section that actually makes money would be scissors and cubes. As for the rest of the items, you seem to forget how many smegas you get every single f`ucking moment while in-game. Everyone always nags about it. You also forget how full the FMs when you browse it. This isn't a greedy thing, they're still giving.


The Disaster in Japan, How We Can All Help - Sarah - 2011-03-15

A lot of you guys don't seem to get the real problem here. You think the issue we're complaining about is that they're not donating more money or that they're skimping out on their best items, when that's not it at all.

It's the part that says WHICH items aren't benefiting the japanese is essentially in fine print. It's not overly emphasized, it's cryptically written to some degree and it's completely absent from this notice. The reason they've neglected to really shine a light on which items aren't helping is because they know people won't rush out and buy NX if they do. Which means they won't make any extra money. This way, people go out and buy NX, buy cubes and stuff and think they've done something to help Japan when they haven't.

Kalovale what you said previously made me kind of sick; that it's okay for people to think they're helping even if they're not, because it's NOT. Sure it'll make you feel good but it's not doing a damn thing to help those who are homeless and desperate over in Japan right now. So yeah, Nexon is happy, we can be happy with our purchases and believing we did something good, but the people this whole thing is about aren't any better off for it.

It's worse that you're trying to rationalize this with "they have to make that money back somehow!" That's not how charity works. What they should have gotten out of this was some goodwill from the customers but anyone who isn't completely blind shouldn't be falling for that with what they're doing with this sale. They can get me off their back right this minute if they want by posting this damn image in their notice

[Image: whatdoesncount.png]

because then they've done their due diligence in making sure everyone is aware of where the boundaries are. But they haven't and that's pretty disgusting.

edit: Kalovale I don't even know which side of the fence you're on! Each post seems like a flip flop. Please clarify.