Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:That's no way to build. Say for instance you are at a boss spamming Dispel, relying on Combat Orders will be more or less make you weaker as will your skills you are trying to use between Dispels and rebuffing. This same instance was the problem for people trying to rely on Maple Warrior to use certain gear when they were stat-less or low-stat. Again, this is a very wreckless way to build that will not benefit you in the long run.

What I'm trying to say is this.

Skills that look nice on paper almost always aren't the case in real usage and real scenarios. Ground Smash looks nice on paper. It sounds like a nice skill to have that's strong and dependable, but really does it effectively fit into a skill set for the 2nd Job that doesn't focus on going multi-monster attack constantly? True skill is knowing what is better suited to situations and changing as needed to adapt to the situation, not just having a one shot cure-all that focuses on the generic only.

Ground Smash does not replace Power Strike with Fundamentals and Final Attack effectively if you use it correctly. In fact as shown earlier Power Strike is stronger and is more suited for early bosses and PQs. Slash Blast is weaker but again Final Attack does present a possibility of extra damage on more mobs when used correctly and still hits more monsters at once.

Ground Smash does not combine with Final Attack for added damage meaning you'll always get that 300% damage ratio of your range. Even if Final Attack isn't an absolute it's a chance at extra damage per attack. While it may have limited range of effectiveness, you again have to think about it, what if you are in the right place when it activates and hits? That's 380% from Power Strike with Fundamentals + an extra 150% damage at random for more damage. Now add in 250% with an extra 150% possibility from Slash Blast with Fundamentals and Final Attack. That's 400% total damage at chance on up to 6 monsters total.

Now add in this... Final Attack will automatically attack. Even if Ground Smash does strike at weapon speed, it will not get an automatic 2nd attack.

Power Strike has a good probability of getting at best 530% total damage to a single monster.
Slash Blast has a good probability of getting at best 400% damage on up to 6 monsters of total.
Ground Smash has the set damage of 300% on 3 monsters only.

Regardless of range, power, etc. Ground Smash does not stand up if you know how to fight and know how to use your skills effectively and wisely.

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Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Skills that look nice on paper almost always aren't the case in real usage and real scenarios. Ground Smash looks nice on paper.....

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Look at my ridiculously unrealistic and biased scenario. Please don't take into account the time wasted getting the mobs in such a perfect position. My math that says slash blast is better.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Even if you have a Normal sword. Weapon Booster will make it operate as a Fast sword.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:but as you just said, if Power Strike and Slash Blast connect then the hitbox for Final Attack will activate and damage the monster.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:careful tactics will mean more damage.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:2-Hand swords have good range even if they don't add what a shield could, but then again, regardless of what you use, Warriors are up close fighters, not long distance fighters.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Combat orders only affects 4th job skills for all classes and 3rd job for Cygnus ONLY. It does not affect 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Job skills for normal adventurers.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:That's no way to build. Say for instance you are at a boss spamming Dispel, relying on Combat Orders will be more or less make you weaker as will your skills you are trying to use between Dispels and rebuffing. This same instance was the problem for people trying to rely on Maple Warrior to use certain gear when they were stat-less or low-stat. Again, this is a very wreckless way to build that will not benefit you in the long run.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Ground Smash does not combine with Final Attack for added damage meaning you'll always get that 300% damage ratio of your range. Even if Final Attack isn't an absolute it's a chance at extra damage per attack. While it may have limited range of effectiveness, you again have to think about it, what if you are in the right place when it activates and hits? That's 380% from Power Strike with Fundamentals + an extra 150% damage at random for more damage. Now add in 250% with an extra 150% possibility from Slash Blast with Fundamentals and Final Attack. That's 400% total damage at chance on up to 6 monsters total.

Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Now add in this... Final Attack will automatically attack. Even if Ground Smash does strike at weapon speed, it will not get an automatic 2nd attack.

Stereo Wrote:In the long run, ACB and GS are the only mob attacks you'll use, and Blast has always replaced PS, so it doesn't matter what happens to 1st job attacks and Improved Fundamentals.

Unlike GS which hits fewer targets (and thus has one single disadvantage compared to SB), ACB is better in every imaginable way. Once you have it, you... won't use SB.

Stereo Wrote:GS has about 80 pixels higher range though, so it can hit some stuff CB can't (especially when you jump, it goes really high). On a horizontal platform yeah, CB is the way to go.

Stereo Wrote:GS has about 80 pixels higher range though, so it can hit some stuff CB can't (especially when you jump, it goes really high). On a horizontal platform yeah, CB is the way to go.

JoeTang Wrote:Ground Smash
Charge Blow?

Index Wrote:As a UA, what attack skills would Soul Driver not render completely useless? There will probably be SP to spare anyway, but I wouldn't want to put points into an obsolete skill.

Kevin645 Wrote:Divine Shields attack buff, does it disappear when all hits have been taken and it goes into cd? Or does it stay on for the 30 seconds ?