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Did you vote today? - Cancambo - 2010-11-03
RahlsSoldier Wrote:In my opinion, all drugs should be legalized so they can be regulated and taxed. Then extensive testing could and would be done to identify those drugs that were significantly worse than others. Those could then be banned on scientific evidence, not social stigma, or the opinions of the ill-informed.
I pretty much agree with legalizing everything. People ought to be allowed to do anything to themselves, and if they happen to harm another person while using drugs then punish them. I sort of equate it to owning a gun. You can own a gun, and you can use your gun as long as you don't use it to hurt another person. If or when you use your gun to hurt someone else then you are punished. Perhaps a slightly better analogy is letting someone cut themselves. As long as they use the razor on themselves then it is legal, but it is illegal to hurt someone else with that razor.
Did you vote today? - OB3LISK - 2010-11-03
FrozNlite Wrote:You know what? It's true. What you said is 100% correct, and anyone like myself who is heavily involved in campaign politics admits that. But I hope you realize that you just made a worse mistake by not voting, in that the stupid people don't recognize this logic, and still vote.
In other words, instead of neutralizing stupid votes, you let the stupid control this country. Thanks. And to everyone who chooses not to vote for the same reason, thanks, because that's what it truly means.
madanthony Wrote:*cough* Gofuckyourself *cough*
You just made the most retarded person in your state/district more powerful than you. You failed to nullify that person's retarded vote with your educated choice. Feel retarded? You should. Retard.
On the other side of things, this made me feel a little better
There are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more idiots in the USA than intelligent people capable of thinking. FARRRRRRRR more.
I heard a group of kids in my school talking about how they saw Linda McMcahan running for some seat, and since they recognized her from wrestling, they're gunna vote for her.
I don't even know how to respond to things like that. It's so discouraging.
Did you vote today? - Kalovale - 2010-11-03
Cancambo Wrote:I pretty much agree with legalizing everything. People ought to be allowed to do anything to themselves, and if they happen to harm another person while using drugs then punish them. I sort of equate it to owning a gun. You can own a gun, and you can use your gun as long as you don't use it to hurt another person. If or when you use your gun to hurt someone else then you are punished. Perhaps a slightly better analogy is letting someone cut themselves. As long as they use the razor on themselves then it is legal, but it is illegal to hurt someone else with that razor.
But you KNOW somebody out there is going to use their rights to hurt other people. I mean, they are already doing it without said rights!
I prefer to prevent negativities from happening, rather than dishing out punishment after things have been said and done.
Did you vote today? - Cancambo - 2010-11-03
Kalovale Wrote:But you KNOW somebody out there is going to use their rights to hurt other people. I mean, they are already doing it without said rights!
I prefer to prevent negativities from happening, rather than dishing out punishment after things have been said and done.
Except outright bans on it in the end create more problems. People want it and will get it regardless. There's a reason we ended prohibition in the USA.
With anything, there's gonna be problems associated with it, but that is sort of just a fact of life we have to live with.
Did you vote today? - Sarah - 2010-11-03
Kalovale Wrote:But you KNOW somebody out there is going to use their rights to hurt other people. I mean, they are already doing it without said rights!
I prefer to prevent negativities from happening, rather than dishing out punishment after things have been said and done.
For real, being proactive > being reactive. If you have the opportunity to (try to) stop something before it happens vs. dealing with it after it happens, why would you choose the latter? That doesn't even really make sense when put into play in the real world. I know it doesn't seem bad on paper but if you think of how many more people would die because of drunk drivers if there weren't a law against it. Laws are a primary layer of protection for those who would do something they know is wrong but either don't think it through or are so full of themselves that they believe "hey I won't get caught or hurt anybody!" If you get caught doing something that is proven to be dangerous/awful then you should be punished in order to prevent tragedies.
Did you vote today? - Kalovale - 2010-11-03
Cancambo Wrote:Except outright bans on it in the end create more problems. People want it and will get it regardless. There's a reason we ended prohibition in the USA.
With anything, there's gonna be problems associated with it, but that is sort of just a fact of life we have to live with.
People want it regardless, sure. But, will YOU get it, even if you're banned from it? How do you know it creates more problems and not less? I sure as heck don't want to raise my car insurance by ignoring the lights to be even half an hour early, or if the government threatened to electrocute my anus, I wouldn't be out stealing a couple hundred bucks.
I can see how people do not prefer such restrictions, and how freedom seems appealing, but I very much doubt when you say it creates less problems if you just give people the means to do what they want.
Did you vote today? - Cancambo - 2010-11-03
Kalovale Wrote:People want it regardless, sure. But, will YOU get it, even if you're banned from it? How do you know it creates more problems and not less? I sure as heck don't want to raise my car insurance by ignoring the lights to be even half an hour early, or if the government threatened to electrocute my anus, I wouldn't be out stealing a couple hundred bucks.
I can see how people do not prefer such restrictions, and how freedom seems appealing, but I very much doubt when you say it creates less problems if you just give people the means to do what they want.
Except you still punish people who harm others. No one has a right to steal from another, but they sure have a right to mess up their own body. I personally wouldn't do drugs because I don't want to mess up my body like that, but if others want to then fine.
And, we know it creates more problems by looking at history. When prohibition hit the USA it helped sprout organized crime. These gangsters commited crimes to get alcohol to the people because people were gonna drink regardless of the law. Now that alcohol is legal, these organizations mvoed on to other illegal substances. They continue to commit henious crimes because it is profitable to do so. If you make it more profitable for the substances to be obtained legally then you eliminate a lot of crime. There's a reason we aren't dealing with Mexican alcohol cartels, atm. Sure, drugs are mind altering and possibly create a situation where an individual will hurt another, but overall the problem is much greater when taking drugs is a criminal activity.
Anyways, rushed post, I gotta get to class.
Did you vote today? - MariettaRC - 2010-11-03
OB3LISK Wrote:There are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more idiots in the USA than intelligent people capable of thinking. FARRRRRRRR more.
I heard a group of kids in my school talking about how they saw Linda McMcahan running for some seat, and since they recognized her from wrestling, they're gunna vote for her.
I don't even know how to respond to things like that. It's so discouraging.
Pessimistic thinking like that instead of trying doesn't help a thing, you know. Apparently 60% of voters didn't vote (I heard this from my roommate, I could be wrong). That's 60% of the population who had the same mindset as you (or are just lazy. Worst case, they probably just couldn't). Do you know how much different the results could have been if they did?
OT: Not American.
Did you vote today? - Satellite - 2010-11-03
Normal Tobacco doesn't get you high wtp...
The problem in drugs is that they WILL damage your brains. You can't deny that. This will lead in increasing unemployment, crimes and other problems. Do not get me wrong, I also think Alcohol is almost as bad as drugs. It should at least get commercial ban and warning signs like Tobacco.
health effects of smoking cigarettes have been exaggerated...
Did you vote today? - madanthony - 2010-11-03
OB3LISK Wrote:There are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more idiots in the USA than intelligent people capable of thinking. FARRRRRRRR more.
I heard a group of kids in my school talking about how they saw Linda McMcahan running for some seat, and since they recognized her from wrestling, they're gunna vote for her.
I don't even know how to respond to things like that. It's so discouraging.
Congratulations, you made those kids more powerful than you. You respond to it by voting. And Linda McMahon lost, as did notable crazy-inclined candidates like Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell. Have a little faith in America's legion of moderate, independent swing voters. They may swing right or left in a given election, but they don't swing to crazy en masse.
Did you vote today? - KajitiSouls - 2010-11-03
OB3LISK Wrote:There are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more idiots in the USA than intelligent people capable of thinking. FARRRRRRRR more.
I heard a group of kids in my school talking about how they saw Linda McMcahan running for some seat, and since they recognized her from wrestling, they're gunna vote for her.
I don't even know how to respond to things like that. It's so discouraging.
By kids, you mean they're under 18, and by school, you mean not college? Completely safe there.
And let's not mention the possibilities of nonvoters hoping for one candidate fail to get that candidate because they did not vote.
Last but not least, laziness and stupidity may blend, but not all lazy people are stupid. Case in point, if you are really what you believe you are, then you're lazy but not stupid.
Did you vote today? - Hazzy - 2010-11-03
I turned 18 about a week ago, so voting is obligatory. According to Carlin, I am now part of the problem. There is no way to validate my claim that I voted solely for Democrats. :/
Fiel Wrote:I was at the polls right away when they opened. 6:30 AM gogogogog
I was trudging downstairs for some food. Go Highschool.
Did you vote today? - FrozNlite - 2010-11-03
OB3LISK Wrote:There are FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR more idiots in the USA than intelligent people capable of thinking. FARRRRRRRR more.
I heard a group of kids in my school talking about how they saw Linda McMcahan running for some seat, and since they recognized her from wrestling, they're gunna vote for her.
I don't even know how to respond to things like that. It's so discouraging.
Sadly, you're correct. A striking population of the United States is, let's just say, stupid (my grandmother believes it's ~45%; I'll leave the estimates to all of you). And how to you cure stupid? Through education. The most difficult part of widespread education, however, is the fact that it's widespread; finding a way to quickly deliver a message to millions of people that's engaging enough for them to pay attention, memorable enough for them to recall it when casting a ballot, and honest and true enough for them to know they don't have to take more time doing further research - all of this is required, all on a grandiose scale.
Hopefully what I'm saying is nothing but a review for everyone here, but if there's anything this election has shown, it's that education of the masses needs to be strongly reconsidered for 2012.
MariaColette Wrote:Pessimistic thinking like that instead of trying doesn't help a thing, you know. Apparently 60% of voters didn't vote (I heard this from my roommate, I could be wrong). That's 60% of the population who had the same mindset as you (or are just lazy. Worst case, they probably just couldn't). Do you know how much different the results could have been if they did?
OT: Not American.
Less than 93 million Americans voted yesterday, while a little over 130 million voted in 2008. Even though presidential election years are always more popular than midterm elections, it's still important to note that, yes, the couple dozen million who didn't vote and who had in previous years would have made an enormous difference.
Did you vote today? - Sarah - 2010-11-04
larmie Wrote:If someone visits LA or San Fran and they get weed smell on them because people around them were smoking marijuana, they'd be arrested when they land in their home country's airport. Or any other state in the US for that matter.Thanks to Eos we almost missed this. Just got to quote it for posterity.
And what if drug dealers started growing weed in California and start selling it cross-border in Nevada or Arizona? or Mexico?