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[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Shengz - 2010-02-27
Tamillan Wrote:This class dual bladers are melee??? So they attack close so they get bumped??? Requires lots of hp washing in order to go bosses like BF, anego, tengo, etc.....
uh no melee kills anego.. waste of time.. and get bumped? from what? anything you fight kb's you the oposite direction of where the touch damage is.. we dunno how bfing is gunna go, but my guess is they use chains of hell.. its in darksight AND invincibility frames during the attk so theres no problem sicne bf has no magic.. Tengo? srsly? not many waste their time killing crows.. Their attacks have invincibility frames and you are forgetting they are a thief with good avoid.. and they have advanced darksight which is +49% avoid IIRC? so yeah bumped is not an issue..
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Tamillan - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:uh no melee kills anego.. waste of time.. and get bumped? from what? anything you fight kb's you the oposite direction of where the touch damage is.. we dunno how bfing is gunna go, but my guess is they use chains of hell.. its in darksight AND invincibility frames during the attk so theres no problem sicne bf has no magic.. Tengo? srsly? not many waste their time killing crows.. Their attacks have invincibility frames and you are forgetting they are a thief with good avoid.. and they have advanced darksight which is +49% avoid IIRC? so yeah bumped is not an issue..
Ah k. True.
Hmmm....Im just thinking right now...I see some really high hp NL in scania...if they decided to make a dual blader and hp wash it to such high hp, this class is going to be GODLY lol.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Takebacker - 2010-02-27
Lol? Adv dark sight gives 49% chance of staying in dark sight when you attack. It doesn't affect avoidability.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Shengz - 2010-02-27
darksight = avoiding touch no? so basically it is avoid o_O but im wondering if they can pot themselves in their darksight..
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - iFrancisco - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:darksight = avoiding touch no? so basically it is avoid o_O but im wondering if they can pot themselves in their darksight..
You will not take physical damage, but you can still take magic damage. As for potting, I will take the safe assumption that it is the same as thieves and that you cannot.
Regardless, if you want to BF/Anego (you will see melee here in Kradia, regardless of what you think since it is still good exp)/whatever you are going to have to HP wash probably. Better safe than sorry I suppose, especially if the class will be time limited so you won't be able to re-create to HP wash later.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Mazz - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:uh no melee kills anego.. waste of time.. and get bumped? from what? anything you fight kb's you the oposite direction of where the touch damage is.. we dunno how bfing is gunna go, but my guess is they use chains of hell.. its in darksight AND invincibility frames during the attk so theres no problem sicne bf has no magic.. Tengo? srsly? not many waste their time killing crows.. Their attacks have invincibility frames and you are forgetting they are a thief with good avoid.. and they have advanced darksight which is +49% avoid IIRC? so yeah bumped is not an issue..
[video=youtube;01_YF4ZBPjY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_YF4ZBPjY[/video]
I probably kill faster than you if we're both using our own buffs.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Kalovale - 2010-02-27
I got lucky and got an Anego to practice on, only died something like 30 times.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - KatanaKiwi - 2010-02-27
i do feel like they miss a 'stance' like skill though, warriors have 90% stane, buccaneers have 90% stance, shadowers have shadow shifter in combination with their high avoid.
dualers only have high avoid, however it is hard to avoid cap yourself at bosses i can immagine. and advanced dark sight doesnt make that big of a difference with 49%, and doesnt work for magic attacks at all...
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Shengz - 2010-02-27
Mazz Wrote:[video=youtube;01_YF4ZBPjY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_YF4ZBPjY[/video]
I probably kill faster than you if we're both using our own buffs.
i know melee has the potential to but most don't waste their time, bf is much more appropriate. Even with you zerking no you cannot kill faster than a range oh and i love how confident you are that you can state you kill faster than another without knowing equips or anything about me lolll... You hit the 100 attack limit and have to re-set up anego into your zerking stance, range doesn't have to do that.. It's called pin and kill no worry about 100 attacks. Also with damage like that you could never compare to a range character no offense just being real. Being cocky gets you nowhere i suggest you rid yourself of that trait ^^.
Quote: You will not take physical damage, but you can still take magic damage. As for potting, I will take the safe assumption that it is the same as thieves and that you cannot.
yeah i know magic goes through but when im talking about this im thinking more about ht and zak. Taking the magic from them is no big deal.. they dont even need to wash to do so.. Sure if you wanna take a touch from bigfoot obviously you will need tow ash but i also don't see it to be necessary if they have a way to kill bigfoot without the use of tanking damage.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Takebacker - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:i know melee has the potential to but most don't waste their time, bf is much more appropriate. Even with you zerking no you cannot kill faster than a range oh and i love how confident you are that you can state you kill faster than another without knowing equips or anything about me lolll... You hit the 100 attack limit and have to re-set up anego into your zerking stance, range doesn't have to do that.. It's called pin and kill no worry about 100 attacks. Also with damage like that you could never compare to a range character no offense just being real.
Without SE it's extremely possible for him to kill faster than a NL.
Shengz Wrote:yeah i know magic goes through but when im talking about this im thinking more about ht and zak. Taking the magic from them is no big deal.. they dont even need to wash to do so.. Sure if you wanna take a touch from bigfoot obviously you will need tow ash but i also don't see it to be necessary if they have a way to kill bigfoot without the use of tanking damage.
Ever consider the possibility that chains of hell would grab a wraith and the BF would hit you during the attack? Ever consider the possibility that chains of hell grabs BF and brings him so close that either during the attack or after the DB gets raped by the lollipop of death?
It's not guaranteed they have the ability to kill BF.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Cactuar - 2010-02-27
Chains of hell does not drag bosses at all. First hit always misses.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Shengz - 2010-02-27
Takebacker Wrote:Without SE it's extremely possible for him to kill faster than a NL.
Ever consider the possibility that chains of hell would grab a wraith and the BF would hit you during the attack? Ever consider the possibility that chains of hell grabs BF and brings him so close that either during the attack or after the DB gets raped by the lollipop of death?
It's not guaranteed they have the ability to kill BF.
i have taken into account of CoH grabbing bf, it will not. I am 99% certain of this, bf is a mobile mini boss just as dodo is and the grab effect misses on dodo and the rest of the attack hits.. The way i see it, if you watch the video of the DB killing dodo that is the same way bf will work except it may take a little more work due to bf being fast and not staying still after you attack him. Every attacking class has the ability to bf.. bro even i/l's and f/p's and even lolbishops with magic claw can bf.. every class has the ability to..
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Takebacker - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:i have taken into account of CoH grabbing bf, it will not. I am 99% certain of this, bf is a mobile mini boss just as dodo is and the grab effect misses on dodo and the rest of the attack hits.. The way i see it, if you watch the video of the DB killing dodo that is the same way bf will work except it may take a little more work due to bf being fast and not staying still after you attack him. Every attacking class has the ability to bf.. bro even i/l's and f/p's and even lolbishops with magic claw can bf.. every class has the ability to..
Well first of all, video please? I haven't seen it yet.
Second, dodo and BF are two completely different bosses. Dodo has a few k touch, BF has a lot more than that. Dodo is pretty slow, BF is not. If the chain MISSES BF, then that's a HUGE amount of time BF has to graze the character and make him die. Chance of death is extremely high as a dual blader with this boss.
Bishops can't BF, quit BSing.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Shengz - 2010-02-27
Takebacker Wrote:Well first of all, video please? I haven't seen it yet.
Second, dodo and BF are two completely different bosses. Dodo has a few k touch, BF has a lot more than that. Dodo is pretty slow, BF is not. If the chain MISSES BF, then that's a HUGE amount of time BF has to graze the character and make him die. Chance of death is extremely high as a dual blader with this boss.
Bishops can't BF, quit BSing.
quit BSing? maybe you should go check youtube or better yet go to windia and message lunamagic6 he has a vid of him bfing. Also if you read i did mention that bf is fast so there would have to be a bit of creativity implemented into the dual blade playing style for them to be able to bf.. but i dont think thats much of a problem.. i wont if they can upper stab it.. and they have those other fast slashing attacks that give invincibility frames so even if CoH doesn't work those will probobly do just fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqzV6oxCy8E (200 bishop soloing bigfoot)
next time you decide it is necessary to call what someone says BS, maybe you should go check if what they are saying is false. Save yourself from looking like an idiot n_n.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFJlWLHokkU (Dual Blade vs Dodo).
Also if you notice in the video final cut goes straight through it with invincibility frames. Usable on bigfoot? i'd think so.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Mazz - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:i know melee has the potential to but most don't waste their time, bf is much more appropriate. Even with you zerking no you cannot kill faster than a range oh and i love how confident you are that you can state you kill faster than another without knowing equips or anything about me lolll... You hit the 100 attack limit and have to re-set up anego into your zerking stance, range doesn't have to do that.. It's called pin and kill no worry about 100 attacks. Also with damage like that you could never compare to a range character no offense just being real. Being cocky gets you nowhere i suggest you rid yourself of that trait ^^.
I was using a 3/7 60%'d under average ski, and that was filmed over 5 months ago. It was merely to show technique. Regardless of 100 atk limit, I'm pretty confident that I could kill faster than you do solo. Prove me wrong?
I know for fact that I can kill faster than a lot of Windia's 16x/17x NLs if they don't have SE or an apple (haven't actually tried apple v. apple).
There'll be a way for Dual Blades to kill Anego and BF, just gotta wait and see what the delays are like on their skills when you actually play one, you can't test something like that by watching a video.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - iFrancisco - 2010-02-27
Shengz Wrote:i don't quite care for what you were using or when that video was taken. You are from windia as i WAS in the past, there is no way you kill faster than funded nightlords of windia. Calling me out on grounds of me saying melee don't anego is retarded because they dont. I didn't say melee CANT i said they DONT there is a difference. The nightlords you are killing faster must be under equipped or something, or at best 12x-15x area. Also theres no way for me to prove you wrong other than you telling me the time it takes you to kill.
If both are equally equipped, the DrK will kill Anego faster (assuming he's in berserk and he doesn't mess up). Sure, if the NL has more funding (which you are implying?) they may kill faster, but that is not always the case.
Truth is, NLs are mediocre without SE. If they don't have SE/possibly Apple at Anego, it is very possible for them to be KSed by any of the melee classes (Hero/Pally especially/DrK/Buc/Shad/Aran) if they can take a hit. After the KMS updates especially, NLs are above only Bucs (and mages, obviously) on solo DPS.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Tamillan - 2010-02-28
Night Lord isn't awesome without se, but still somewhat ok. They do about the same dmg as DK both with 20atk pot and no se nor si.
However dual bladers are going to really change things around for NL/BM/Aran/MM. Even Corsairs aren't gonig to do as much dmg as NL if both of them have thorns and apple and si for corsair (doenst affect NL).
However I calculated it as 35% chance and 250% critical.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Alloy - 2010-02-28
On another note, actually relevant to this thread, dummy effect acts like puppet, but instead, you leave your mirror image there, making a funny effect.
Spadow covered it already.
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Shengz - 2010-02-28
Alloy Wrote:On another note, actually relevant to this thread, dummy effect acts like puppet, but instead, you leave your mirror image there, making a funny effect.
Spadow covered it already.
so when you use dummy effect, can you use SP again and have both dummy effect and SP? or you trade half your damage for recieving half damage?
[1.2.295] Even more dual blade tweaks - Will - 2010-02-28
Shengz Wrote:so when you use dummy effect, can you use SP again and have both dummy effect and SP? or you trade half your damage for recieving half damage?
I'm fairly certain that SP will override dummy effect.
Rather see someone use though.