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Dexless DW vs. dexless NW - Shady - 2009-08-29
IllegallySane Wrote:Wait, why are we going off-topic here? We are talking about NW vs DW, not Adventurer classes. Obviously any Adventurer, at a high enough level, can take two hits from Pap. Cygnus Knights are forced to be stuck at 120 for bossing, which does not leave a lot of room to HP wash if they want to, and even if they want to HP wash it seems like a complete waste when the main purpose of the Cygnus Knight is powering up the parent class. An Adventurer is better at bossing in the long run; everyone knows that.
Level 120 Nightwalkers will die in one hit from Pap at the cost of dealing loads of damage. 120 Dawn Warriors can handle 2-3 hits from Pap, YET they deal monstrous damage as well thanks to Brandish in combination with both Combos, a Soul Charge, and a Red Katana speed weapon. When the lag spike hits, the Nightwalker is more likely to die. HOWEVER, a Dawn Warrior spits on the Nightwalkers squishiness as they just keep on dealing 20-30k Brandishs. That's the gist of my argument. Nothing more, nothing less.
I like how you argue about how the NW lags, but the DW doesn't lag. We can even argue the timing of lag. Right after an attack (you potted before it, so you survive) or right before a 1/1. This ~~can~~ kill the DW or the NW.
Pap is not a real lag-boss anyway.
You can also take into account the time needed to kill a boss, aka DPS. A DW kills faster, so it'll take him less time to kill a boss. Meaning less time to lagg. >..>
The purpose of a lv120 Cygnus char?
- Storage
- KS mule (?)
- Buffing your main
- Well spent time which you have enjoyed to get it to lv120.
Dexless DW vs. dexless NW - IllegallySane - 2009-08-29
Shady Wrote:I like how you argue about how the NW lags, but the DW doesn't lag. We can even argue the timing of lag. Right after an attack (you potted before it, so you survive) or right before a 1/1. This ~~can~~ kill the DW or the NW.
Pap is not a real lag-boss anyway.
You can also take into account the time needed to kill a boss, aka DPS. A DW kills faster, so it'll take him less time to kill a boss. Meaning less time to lagg. >..>
The purpose of a lv120 Cygnus char?
- Storage
- KS mule (?)
- Buffing your main
- Well spent time which you have enjoyed to get it to lv120.
That's where my Brandish argument comes in. Why does a Dawn Warrior deal so much damage, and YET is tougher than a Nightwalker? Seems unfair, but that's how it goes for Heroes as well. Without Sharp Eyes, Dawn Warriors are killing faster than a Nightwalker. With Sharp Eyes, Nightwalkers are stronger, but not by a huge degree.
Dexless DW vs. dexless NW - Shady - 2009-08-30
IllegallySane Wrote:That's where my Brandish argument comes in. Why does a Dawn Warrior deal so much damage, and YET is tougher than a Nightwalker? Seems unfair, but that's how it goes for Heroes as well. Without Sharp Eyes, Dawn Warriors are killing faster than a Nightwalker. With Sharp Eyes, Nightwalkers are stronger, but not by a huge degree.
My only problem is that you say lag is the reason to choose a certain job. Why lag? Why not fun? What if we enjoy playing a ranged char that can die?
Dexless DW vs. dexless NW - Tamillan - 2009-09-02
Hmm I think Dawn warrior definetely is the best without buffs from adventurers. To me they are both 12atk pot mules f3.
Dexless DW vs. dexless NW - flalatsat - 2009-11-19
lol! thank guys
Dexless DW vs. dexless NW - Derimed - 2009-11-19
I don't think a Cygnus justifies the type of funding a dexless anything usually requires unless you'll make an adventurer to make use of that stuff as well.
When I made my lukless bishop, I made it during the 2x event that kicked off the start of Yollande. It took me a mere 3 weeks to get to lvl 131, and there were people there with a much higher level. This was before the current situation, where XP requirements to gain a particular level were cut down. Leveling a Cygnus to 120 will not take THAT long... so I don't think it's a good investment to go dexless as a Cygnus. Spending like 200 dollars on a character that will level to max in a short period of time seems pointless.
If you are making a Dawn Warrior and then an adventurer Warrior, or a Night Walker and then an adventurer Thief, Dexless makes sense.
Edit: Oh grief, this is a necroed topic. Sorry for posting in it, it was the most recent topic on the training subboards when I did.