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DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-27
I usually go tranqs+PMS+manta into whatever seems good. Butterfly, Heart, Diffusal, Maelstrom/Mjolnir, Skadi, or BKB usually.
I've been tempted to try Armlet-rush Spectre lately. It makes her incredibly beefy and apparently there's some magic you can work with the toggle and Dispersion.
Skadi and Maelstrom are the other two builds that I've heard of but I just feel like Skadi would take way too long to get off the ground. Better as a second or third big item.
I usually prefer to have someone pick up Vlad's rather than get a Satanic as a rule so that I can use Diffusal or Mjolnir. I think I would only get Satanic if I was going Skadi+Satanic.
Honestly though I don't think anyone who knows what they're doing with Spectre rushes Radiance anymore. It just doesn't help her at all anymore.
In fact, the only hero I can think of that would benefit from a Radiance rush anymore is Alchemist. Bristleback too when he comes out. Maybe Doom too but I never really loved radiance rush doom.
Oh, I guess on the Spirit Bear too.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-27
Mjolnir and maestrom don't synergize too well with spectre and neither does BKB and diffusal is too valuable to get skadi. Skadi is fine if it goes super late and you can abuse the fact that skadi works with lifesteal(Satanic) for melee heroes at the moment.
Manta first is no go though, doesn't give good enough teamfight early on and doesn't do much for farming either. Yasha and diffusal do more for earlygame teamfights and killing and radiance is better for farming regardless of the worse build-up(100 gold difference).
Also vlad doesn't nullify why satanic is amazing on spectre, even with vlads it's still an amazing lategame item on spectre. Strength, damage and armor combined with massive lifesteal on demand is god-tier for her. And BKB is sup-optimal for spectre, you shouldn't get it unless there's something that you crucially need to stop like an with an enemy team with sheepsticks up the wazoo.
And saying that rushing radiance doesn't help spectre is flat out wrong, the problem is that being allowed to rush radiance is rare and in comp play next to impossible. But if you WERE to be allowed to rush it, it would be absolutely amazing. Radiance is still an amazing item on spectre for farming and teamfights, especially with the buffed haunt. Same with weaver, if a weaver was allowed to get that radiance as his first item it is absolutely amazing. Weaver is different though, he doesn't use radiance to farm, but to fight(Common misconception that radiance weaver was stable on him due to it being a farming item, weaver is an amazing-midgame fighter and radiance has perfect synergy with his fighting style). Going treads drums and urn is far superior in the current pace of the game on weaver though.
And no, BB doesn't need radiance rush at all, that's a waste. He needs to gank, not farm.
Disclaimer: Not saying people can't build whatever the pineapple they want, i build sup-optimal items myself on a lot of heroes.
Sup-optimal items can be anything from personal preference(I prefer medallion to urn on weaver, but i know why urn is superior) to wanting to pineapple around(Dagon says hi) or to being forced into a corner(BF on anti-mage is optimal, but there are games where you're forced to build a vanguard, vlads and yasha and fight with your team, odds are that you'll lose because you were forced into that situation, but it's better to try and help your team if there is no other way than to keep trying to get a BF if that is also a guaranteed loss.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-27
I guess we'll see about Radiance rush on Bristleback because the pig just came to town.
Edit: and by pig I meant... not a pig anymore.
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Edit2: wait what the pineapple, another Treant pick. By Empire this time.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-27
It's really not about seeing it, any tanky melee hero can sit back and farm with radiance. But the question is, why would you do it on a hero with such amazing teamfight and gank potential? Just get up some 'cheap' core items up and start roaming, he'll be a top tier pick without a doubt i'm sure.
It's basically like sitting down and farming with centaur or night stalker instead of making stuff happen.
And i'm so happy they dropped the bristlebog name.
Also venge is pretty again.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-27
Radiance actually helps his teamfighting potential though, that's the thing. It synergizes really well with his great AoE damage. It's a lot like Radiance on Alchemist. Either you could get 200-300 gold from a gank or you could farm up a lane and the jungle faster than anyone else in the game and get twice the amount so you can get 6 items before their supports get their first bracer.
Oh my god, Spectre set. And new detailed tooltips if you want. I'm excited.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Even - 2013-03-27
Raul Wrote:Radiance actually helps his teamfighting potential though, that's the thing. It synergizes really well with his great AoE damage. It's a lot like Radiance on Alchemist. Either you could get 200-300 gold from a gank or you could farm up a lane and the jungle faster than anyone else in the game and get twice the amount so you can get 6 items before their supports get their first bracer.
Oh my god, Spectre set. And new detailed tooltips if you want. I'm excited.
Because the key to bristleback is to not do more damage over a short period, its to survive longer and thus forcing the enemy to deal with you. They cannot focus you, because then the TA on your team will kill them with no resistance, if they dont focus you, then you will dish out a pomegranate ton of aoe damage and since this is physical, an early pipe wont help at all.
The only way to properly deal with bristleback is mana burn and kiting, which is where PL shines. So I dont expect him to be picked in any comp game if pl is in the pool.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-27
Huh, Disruptor is super fun. Took me a bit to get the hang of him but I got it after a little while. And 2 bad deaths because I didn't realize Glimpse had a delay.
DotA2 - Original Thread - IllegallySane - 2013-03-28
Holy crap, test server was loads of fun just dic'king around. Went trololo mode by giving a level 1 character Divine Rapier plus other good items. Set bots to level 10+, and roll in the levels. I actually managed to make Treant kick ass. Also amusing for theory crafting in seeing just how strong someone can be with max gold. As for Bristleback, he definitely seems to have the TF2 Sniper voice. I am totally okay with this, even if he's supposedly stupid good.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-28
Raul Wrote:Radiance actually helps his teamfighting potential though, that's the thing. It synergizes really well with his great AoE damage. It's a lot like Radiance on Alchemist. Either you could get 200-300 gold from a gank or you could farm up a lane and the jungle faster than anyone else in the game and get twice the amount so you can get 6 items before their supports get their first bracer.And then what? Then your team has invested an insane amount of gold in a hero that isn't good lategame.
Oh my god, Spectre set. And new detailed tooltips if you want. I'm excited.
Bristleback is amazing early and midgame, his lategame is very simply, not good. His strength is staying alive in teamfights racking up charges of his spells on enemies, and with the new buff to the quill spray cap it's quite simple, he NEEDS to be dealt with, it's not even a question anymore. Bristleback doesn't have a taunt, but his very kit forces enemies to somehow take care of him and handle him else they'll lose the fight since when quill spray reaches 300+ damage each spray in a mid-game teamfight your team will stay melting.
But quill spray falls off as far as damage goes the later the game goes, he's strong when nobody has a ton of armor, when the enemy 1st, 2nd and 3rd position have a decent amount of armor BB is suddenly far from as good as he could've been if you had focused on the midgame.
Being physical damage means that quill spray is absolutely amazing early and falls off heavily late.
It's just, 60 physical damage on BB isn't much, he already gets physical damage quite easily. And 40 damage per second is nice for a while, but eventually quill spray dwarfs radiance in terms of potential damage, and getting off 2 or 3 more quill sprays will have you deal more damage than radiance would've the entire fight. Which is why staying alive is key.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-28
IllegallySane Wrote:Holy crap, test server was loads of fun just dic'king around. Went trololo mode by giving a level 1 character Divine Rapier plus other good items. Set bots to level 10+, and roll in the levels. I actually managed to make Treant kick ass. Also amusing for theory crafting in seeing just how strong someone can be with max gold. As for Bristleback, he definitely seems to have the TF2 Sniper voice. I am totally okay with this, even if he's supposedly stupid good.
he's voiced by the same guy who does Timbersaw voice which is amazing because timber has the best voice acting in the game imo.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-28
There's a lot of god-tier VAs in dota2. Valve did an amazing job.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-28
![[Image: keyart_bristleback.jpg]](http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/images/blogfiles/keyart_bristleback.jpg)
Bristleback keyart... and very possibly Skywrath on the left?
It seems so obvious this time. Not like the Bristleback last time on Tusk's art.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-28
Definitely skywrath, fits concept art published of him.
DotA2 - Original Thread - IllegallySane - 2013-03-28
How does one deal with a Refresher Orb Zeus? Few things are as infuriating as entering a team fight only for the whole team to get hit by Veil of Discord and suddenly spell spam everywhere. Then my whole team is dead in seconds. Or maybe it's more a problem that Zeus got so fed.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-03-28
pipe.
alternatively, don't let him get to that point.
or ward his jungle. I kid.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Salguod - 2013-03-29
Malthe Wrote:On spectre?
My build is something like:
Tranquil early on if you need it during laning, you most likely will need it. If not, just get phase boots.
Build up an urn, can swap urn for bottle if you have another urn carrier but urn is optimal.
Now get a diffusal blade and drum and start ganking, pineapple farming a radiance.
Then snowball off mid-game teamfight gold and then you can get a radiance if you don't think you can end game soon and need to farm. Toss in a yasha whenever you feel you can.
After this you'd get a heart and then the situational items are: Butterfly, manta, heaven's halberd(If you need the disarm badly and you wont be going for butterfly), abyssal blade, AC, MKB(If they have HH or bfly) and last but not least
satanic.
I just vastly prefer getting active early on, not to mention that sitting back and farming a radiance in pubs can be such a gamble. Use dagger+phase to chase targets down with your team and utilize desolate's great damage boost.
What's your skill build? Spectre seems pretty interesting. I stayed with lv 1 dagger for a while in a bot game, but when I looked up guides later, they tend to suggest lv 4 asap.
Edit: Tried Spectre a second time in a bot game. Got max dagger first. Not sure if it's the cause, but I did really well this time. Went straight for heart after drums since the game was ending soon. Can't wait to use Spectre in an actual game, though they probably won't let me last hit as easily as bots do.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Dusk - 2013-03-29
If you're getting owned by Refresher Orb Zeus you're probably losing pretty badly to begin with.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-29
Salguod Wrote:What's your skill build? Spectre seems pretty interesting. I stayed with lv 1 dagger for a while in a bot game, but when I looked up guides later, they tend to suggest lv 4 asap.You max dagger first because of the move speed slow and loss going up. Desolate is second and haunt should be gotten whenever you can. You finish off with dispersion and stats last.
Edit: Tried Spectre a second time in a bot game. Got max dagger first. Not sure if it's the cause, but I did really well this time. Went straight for heart after drums since the game was ending soon. Can't wait to use Spectre in an actual game, though they probably won't let me last hit as easily as bots do.
Also if zeus is mid, just fucking gank him. He has zero surviveability. Smoke up and ez kills.
DotA2 - Original Thread - IllegallySane - 2013-03-29
Dusk Wrote:If you're getting owned by Refresher Orb Zeus you're probably losing pretty badly to begin with.
Ironically the game lasted an hour and 25 minutes, the longest bloody game I've played so far. I think it began with Zeus getting first blood, then it only went downhill from there when he, Storm Spirit, and Gyro got super fat. It also didn't help Keeper of the Light on my team for some reason picked up not one but TWO Mjolnirs, or Leshrac picking up 2 Bloodstones and an Assault Cuirass. After about the 60 minute mark I just didn't care anymore about winning, mostly since I couldn't think straight at that point.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-03-29
Okay so basically there's been a lot of rumors about GOMtv doing Dota2 related stuff and possibly tournaments. That's nice and all, nobody expected too much since there isn't a korean scene to talk of.
Or rather, there wasn't.
Now SUDDENLY, FXOpen has picked up a dota2 team.
Korean announcement: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1488638
English 'announcement': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405318
Essentially:
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