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Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - CakesXD - 2014-08-15
meowmixx Wrote:i think sparky has gone bonkers like simple....
Understandable, since he's either A) a Mafioso who's scrambling to convince the Town that's he's innocent or B) a misunderstood Townie who is again, scrambling to convince the Town of his innocence.
I did glance over the first couple of pages, and it seemed that Luv and MasPan did not see eye to eye on a couple of situations. If MasPan does turn up as Mafia, I'd be a little more inclined to believe that Luv is a Townie (heck, I didn't have that much suspicion of him to begin with. It's just the past couple of posts that have piqued my interest).
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-08-15
Cakes just voted.
(guys Cactuar is browsing this thread holy shiet)
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-08-15
@TheBirds; @MasPan; speak up fools
I'm going to assume each person can only do one thing each night (including the mafia; ie they can't use their power and do the mafia kill or whatever). We know every action Kyra has taken thus far. (Assuming they were actually blocked by Meow's confusion on night 1):
Night 1: Blocked
Night 2: Poisoned me
Night 3: Evolved
The tentacler has been acting every night. Meaning the mafia kills would all have to have been done by one/both of the other mafia. (Still assuming they can't kill and act in the same night).
It's also interesting to note that when Cakes first claimed being forced to attack someone, they specifically specified "attack" and not ability, and they never mentioned any tentacles being involved, which you would think would be a rather important piece of information.
Cakes was also forced to attack Hypermug and was adamant about making it clear that, therefore, "him and Hypermug weren't threats to the town."
And since he was reportedly a nonvoter I find it rather odd that he's somehow decided to regain* the ability to vote.
Edit:
Literally none of Luv's actions have lined up though. Day 1 they claim to be able to do something that is entirely inconsistent with Night 1. Night 2 they claim to have been roleblocked *in the middle of the night??* by a person who couldn't roleblock, Night 3 they accidentally murdered someone, Night 4 they "didn't do anything because they were too late" - even though Niernen wouldn't have sent out the role PMs early if all actions hadn't been sent in.
@Hypermug; you watched me though, correct? I'm updating the list.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Holypie - 2014-08-15
Okay Luv, I don't know if this is just your play style (which it doesn't seem to be) but right now you're basically just SCREAMING scum to me. Why would you be so desperate to prove your innocence? Nobody's even trying to lynch you. You have nothing to fear right now, unless the reason you're panicking is that you're mafia and you see your team exposed and falling. Honestly, there's no other reason that I can think of for your behavior. By the way this:
LuvDWayULie Wrote:I have my suspicions on MasPan, but I also have suspicions on other people as well.
Although Hyper seemed helpful to the Town, I feel that Hyper's a little TOO helpful to the Town, sometimes I feel that he/she can really lead a lynch. It's good, but is he a Townie? I know some people might argue that he's correct so far, but how far can Hyper go? I'm a little skeptical on that part.
VerrKol, the poison doctor, he's been pushing MasPan as the scum, but what if MasPan is framed? I could see a possibility of VerrKol + Hyper together as a batch of mafiosos.
Of course, I'm literally one of the top in suspicious people list, but I already gave my reasons and defense why. I don't mind explaining ONE more time, but you guys can see that I'm getting really frustrated and angry at Town for that.
Is what made it seen like you're defending Mas.
Also maybe Cakes just decided to forgo status immunity? Honestly I don't even know why it's any good, other than poison (who is dead), basically all the statuses are role blockers. What the hell is the point of using an action solely to prevent other people from preventing you from acting? There's no point! Unless he also has another action, but otherwise a vote is more helpful.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Holypie - 2014-08-15
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:@TheBirds; @MasPan; speak up fools
I'm going to assume each person can only do one thing each night (including the mafia; ie they can't use their power and do the mafia kill or whatever). We know every action Kyra has taken thus far. (Assuming they were actually blocked by Meow's confusion on night 1):
Night 1: Blocked
Night 2: Poisoned me
Night 3: Evolved
The tentacler has been acting every night. Meaning the mafia kills would all have to have been done by one/both of the other mafia. (Still assuming they can't kill and act in the same night).
It's also interesting to note that when Cakes first claimed being forced to attack someone, they specifically specified "attack" and not ability, and they never mentioned any tentacles being involved, which you would think would be a rather important piece of information.
Cakes was also forced to attack Hypermug and was adamant about making it clear that, therefore, "him and Hypermug weren't threats to the town."
And since he was reportedly a nonvoter I find it rather odd that he's somehow found the ability to vote.
Edit:
Literally none of Luv's actions have lined up though. Day 1 they claim to be able to do something that is entirely inconsistent with Night 1. Night 2 they claim to have been roleblocked *in the middle of the night??* by a person who couldn't roleblock, Night 3 they accidentally murdered someone, Night 4 they "didn't do anything because they were too late" - even though Niernen wouldn't have sent out the role PMs early if all actions hadn't been sent in.
@Hypermug; you watched me though, correct? I'm updating the list.
I'm pretty sure the mafia can kill and use their powers as well. Also, Cakes said he didn't mention tentacles in case someone slipped up and revealed, which could obviously be a fabrication but it does explain away his not mentioning the tentacles. And like, it makes no sense to use Rest on someone else. Haha how would that even work. Alternately his Rest protected him from the tentacles.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-08-15
Just trying to cover all the bases. There's something about this that screams "way too eager"
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-15
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:@Hypermug; you watched me though, correct? I'm updating the list.
Nah, I watched MasPan. My PM stated that you were redirected, but I wasn't able to see who you targeted.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Holypie - 2014-08-15
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Just trying to cover all the bases. There's something about this that screams "way too eager"
Who's too eager, Cakes or Luv? Also I'm not really defending cakes, just pointing out stuff he said before.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-15
Hypermug Wrote:I'm not going to go back and read all of that mess again since words had confirmed you, but I believe you and apologize for throwing your name out as a mafian.
No biggie.
Also, since someone brought up why I didn't protect Words. Since so far mafia has kind of killed off the lesser target like CJ and BTA I figured they would target Hypermug instead of Words to try to surprise us. I guessed wrong, sorry guys.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-08-15
There's something just...off and I don't really know what it is.
Why would mafia redirect me to meow when they had a multitude of people that would've been better targets for my disable.
They knew they were killing Words, so obviously not him. And they probably assumed I was dead tonight.
Now, assuming Mug is town, targeting Words with the kill would've been a gamble. Our doctor could've protected Words OR Mug. Meaning either Mug or Meta would've been better targets for the disable, in that situation.
So why would they redirect my disable to Meowmixx? What do they have to gain from disabling someone who A) might not act, and B) only has a 50% chance of success anyway.
Something just doesn't line up.
People just seem way too eager to assume Mas is scum. Mas hasn't even said anything today and we're voting him off of one person whose abilities have been completely unconfirmed thus far?
I've already said Mas is probably my worst read. I'm always on the fence about him. I've thought he was scummy for a lot of this game but I'm not so willing to assume he's scum that I would just blindly hop onto his wagon, especially since Luv would probably be a safer target anyway.
And our night 1 no kill has still been completely unexplained, and I'm not just going to write it off as "oh yeah CJ succeeded with his protection."
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - meowmixx - 2014-08-15
only reason i didnt vote for luv was because isnt he supposed to be subbed out soon?
also i have NO idea why tentacles wanted me blocked. he's been really annoying as hell this game so i guess ur doing ur job right. waiiiiit maybe they wanted us both preoccupied with each other to make sure no one gets blocked by us. i only wanted to aim for thebirds cuz i dont really trust him.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-15
meowmixx Wrote:only reason i didnt vote for luv was because isnt he supposed to be subbed out soon?
also i have NO idea why tentacles wanted me blocked. he's been really annoying as hell this game so i guess ur doing ur job right. waiiiiit maybe they wanted us both preoccupied with each other to make sure no one gets blocked by us. i only wanted to aim for thebirds cuz i dont really trust him.
And this is why I think it's safer to get rid of the tentacles first rather than luv.
Right now, both of you are stuck. We don't know how long the wrap stays active. If we can free up yoshi, one of you can disable luv if so inclined, while someone else can target another player.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Holypie - 2014-08-15
meowmixx Wrote:only reason i didnt vote for luv was because isnt he supposed to be subbed out soon?
also i have NO idea why tentacles wanted me blocked. he's been really annoying as hell this game so i guess ur doing ur job right. waiiiiit maybe they wanted us both preoccupied with each other to make sure no one gets blocked by us. i only wanted to aim for thebirds cuz i dont really trust him.
This, I think the mafia is keeping our townie roleblockers preoccupied to prevent us from preventing their shenanigans.
Meta, are there any other conditions for your doll protection? It seems like it would be really overpowered for the town to have CJ and you both as full doctors.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-15
Holypie Wrote:Meta, are there any other conditions for your doll protection? It seems like it would be really overpowered for the town to have CJ and you both as full doctors.
I am quite sure I wouldn't count as a full doctor.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - meowmixx - 2014-08-15
MetaSeraphim Wrote:I am quite sure I wouldn't count as a full doctor.
do u kno if ur dolls stay until used or do they go away after the night is through?
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Holypie - 2014-08-15
MetaSeraphim Wrote:I am quite sure I wouldn't count as a full doctor.
Ah I remember, the dolls only protect from a single kill attempt right? In some games that is the full doctor. It reduces reliance and prevents follow the cop.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-15
meowmixx Wrote:do u kno if ur dolls stay until used or do they go away after the night is through?
They only protect them during that night I give them to whoever.
Holypie Wrote:Ah I remember, the dolls only protect from a single kill attempt right? In some games that is the full doctor. It reduces reliance and prevents follow the cop.
That isn't the only reason I don't think I would count as a full doctor. I really hate to admit this since we've only lynched 1 mafiaso, but, since we still have two roleblockers. I can't give out dolls infinitely.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Holypie - 2014-08-15
Hmm, did those first two nights you were blocked use up any dolls? If not I think you should have enough to last the rest of the game. If not, we have a good idea of the rest of the mafia. It's just a matter of Mug targeting the person most likely to be killed. Classic watcher strategy. I actually read on mafiascum that watcher is one of the more broken roles, because it's so easy to find the killer. If we get tentacles tonight we'll have two roleblockers too, I'd say try to block Luv and maybe TheBirds? As far as I know, I trust Meta, y0shi, meow, Mug, and Verr as town, and Cakes as a relatively harmless neutral (honorary townie
). Luv is being absurdly scummy recently, and TheBirds is a total unknown.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-15
Holypie Wrote:Hmm, did those first two nights you were blocked use up any dolls?
No.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-08-15
But there's still for variability. As roleblockers we're left to our best judgment on who to block, and even if we block a mafia it still doesn't guarantee that a night kill is prevented because one of the other 2 mafia could've made the kill. I guess it just doesn't seem as optimal strategy to me, given the circumstances. Which I guess could be attributed to the mafia's decisions rather than something being awry.
Either way, though, I think it's safe to assume this isn't quite mylo. As long as we don't have 2 kills tonight I think we should be fine. So even if we lynch wrong it should still work out?
/still holding out voting for mas to say something
Edit: Also worth noting, day 1's votes, again:
Shidoshi(6): Maspan, Shidoshi, Simple, ChaoticCJ, LuvDWayULie, Hypermug
LuvDWayULie(5): Olsi, Words, Holypie, MetaSeraphim, Kyrastri
(or something like that I just copy-pasted Niernen's counts near the end of the day)
edit 2: oops sorry for pinging you shidoshi/luv