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#Gamergate - VerrKol - 2014-10-31

I actually watched the episode tonight (I'm a day behind because I always watch it on Hulu), and it went about as well as could be expected. There was a little back and forth with Colbert's usual humor style. Because of his Report character always going over the top when backing something, I think Sarkeesian came out ahead for most viewers but not horrendously so. There's just no way to get any depth in this format, but at least both sides were there.

I don't really think there's much chance to see a GG supporter interviewed. There aren't many that have ridden the publicity wave well enough to get invited and there aren't many episodes of the Report left so I think it would be difficult for the network to justify two episodes to the topic unless this turns out to be a very slow news week. Remember this is more comedy than news show.


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-10-31

VerrKol Wrote:I actually watched the episode tonight (I'm a day behind because I always watch it on Hulu), and it went about as well as could be expected. There was a little back and forth with Colbert's usual humor style. Because of his Report character always going over the top when backing something, I think Sarkeesian came out ahead for most viewers but not horrendously so. There's just no way to get any depth in this format, but at least both sides were there.

I don't really think there's much chance to see a GG supporter interviewed. There aren't many that have ridden the publicity wave well enough to get invited and there aren't many episodes of the Report left so I think it would be difficult for the network to justify two episodes to the topic unless this turns out to be a very slow news week. Remember this is more comedy than news show.

Right, he only really interviews people that are currently trending or popular. Too bad TB probably couldn't make it, he's both of those things.


#Gamergate - Endgame - 2014-10-31

I haven't been following this story and only now care because of TCR, but I'm pretty sure most viewers who didn't hear about it would take her side after the interview.

Of course, I also found it humorous that she couldn't actually name specific games. Didn't Bayonetta 2 just come out? Bayonetta is EVERYTHING she's railing against minus the "damsel in distress" archetype.


#Gamergate - Zerard - 2014-10-31

Speaking of the whole 'damsel in distress' topic, is that even really a prevalent thing anymore? Even in games like Hyrule Warriors (where over half the cast is female), Final Fantasy XII, and Super Mario 3D World, the women are pretty significant and prominent protagonists.


#Gamergate - Curtiss - 2014-11-01

Zerard Wrote:Speaking of the whole 'damsel in distress' topic, is that even really a prevalent thing anymore? Even in games like Hyrule Warriors (where over half the cast is female), Final Fantasy XII, and Super Mario 3D World, the women are pretty significant and prominent protagonists.

They'll just move over to misogyny then- oops, they already did that. They're absolutely ridiculous at justifying it too because a game where you can kill men and women is very different from a game that explicitly endorses the act of killing women.

Then again, these are the same morons saying that the lack of homosexual characters is proof of homophobia: https://archive.today/UDuYe


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-11-01

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Why is antiGG even still a thing when every last one of them is SO FUCKING INCOMPETENT, jesus fucking christ, how do they even survive daily life, I'm honestly surprised they haven't all drowned staring up in a rainstorm like turkeys, simply because nobody told them not to. I blame the increasing availability of healthcare, some people NEED to be culled and those people are no longer dying off naturally, we are saving their stupid for future generations.


#Gamergate - Polantaris - 2014-11-01

I find it amusing that these people take Random Internet Person Death Threats seriously. Everyone even remotely popular or well know gets death threats all the time from the people that do not like them.

I wouldn't be surprised if at this point they only continue to get them because they make such a big deal about them.


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-11-01

Polantaris Wrote:I find it amusing that these people take Random Internet Person Death Threats seriously. Everyone even remotely popular or well know gets death threats all the time from the people that do not like them.

I wouldn't be surprised if at this point they only continue to get them because they make such a big deal about them.

That's precisely my point, they ARE common, so why the hell is she getting people to do it in a semi-public manner; anyone with half a brain can infer the private part of that conversation.


#Gamergate - VerrKol - 2014-11-01

Flonne Wrote:Why is antiGG even still a thing when every last one of them is SO FUCKING INCOMPETENT, jesus fucking christ, how do they even survive daily life, I'm honestly surprised they haven't all drowned staring up in a rainstorm like turkeys, simply because nobody told them not to. I blame the increasing availability of healthcare, some people NEED to be culled and those people are no longer dying off naturally, we are saving their stupid for future generations.

Just pointing out that this kind of comment is exactly the kind of thing that gets GG in trouble.


#Gamergate - Zerard - 2014-11-01

That wasn't even coherent English.

Why the pineapple does anyone take these people seriously...


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-11-01

VerrKol Wrote:Just pointing out that this kind of comment is exactly the kind of thing that gets GG in trouble.

I'm not a public figurehead for it, and I don't feel it has anything to do with gamergate itself anyway, it was a sweeping statement that a LOT of people that should be dying from natural causes are not any longer. The intelligence needed simply to exist without inadvertently killing yourself is no longer a factor in our society, and those people are easy to point out particularly in conversations online because it's very hard to unconsciously or even consciously censor oneself online, even if you AREN'T pants-on-head retarded. The worst of this will be found on twitter; for many people like this, twitter is the very first thing they go to in any circumstance, before thinking about it and almost at the same time they register it, hell, sometimes they bring up the page and start typing before they even finish the thought entirely. Stupid inane pomegranate like "someone just looked at me funny on the bus" or "I'm having coffee at starbucks"; because they are now used to posting without any thinking involved, it's no wonder that these massive errors in judgment are now commonplace.


#Gamergate - ShinkuDragon - 2014-11-02

VerrKol Wrote:Just pointing out that this kind of comment is exactly the kind of thing that gets GG in trouble.

not that i necesarily disagree. but with SJW -everything- does. brianna's last scary tweet before this one was hilarious


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-11-03

https://archive.today/7T0mP
Mozilla posts in support of SJWs.


#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-11-03

Flonne Wrote:https://archive.today/7T0mP
Mozilla posts in support of SJWs.

In fairness it isn't saying anything about #gamergate, although it is tagged, just that the tech industry isn't in an uproar about it

In other news we got a pornstar and runningwithscissors so massive wins there


#Gamergate - VerrKol - 2014-11-03

Flonne Wrote:I'm not a public figurehead for it, and I don't feel it has anything to do with gamergate itself anyway, it was a sweeping statement that a LOT of people that should be dying from natural causes are not any longer. The intelligence needed simply to exist without inadvertently killing yourself is no longer a factor in our society, and those people are easy to point out particularly in conversations online because it's very hard to unconsciously or even consciously censor oneself online, even if you AREN'T pants-on-head retarded. The worst of this will be found on twitter; for many people like this, twitter is the very first thing they go to in any circumstance, before thinking about it and almost at the same time they register it, hell, sometimes they bring up the page and start typing before they even finish the thought entirely. Stupid inane pomegranate like "someone just looked at me funny on the bus" or "I'm having coffee at starbucks"; because they are now used to posting without any thinking involved, it's no wonder that these massive errors in judgment are now commonplace.

So I spent a while thinking about how to reply to this in a meaningful way. I think that you know that I'm not a SJW supporter of any kind or particularly trying to censor you. What I posted was meant as a reminder of part of why this movement struggles with public perception and that your comment, in my humble opinion, skirted and possibly crossed a line.

1) You may not be a public figurehead, but it appears from your participation in this thread that you consider yourself to be a supporter if not outright member. When dealing with a crowd movement, there exists a double edged sword because every member's opinion matters regardless of their perceived authority. Others in this thread have complained about the misrepresentation of the GamerGate movement because it has been coopted by extremists who fuel the allegations of sexism and misogyny. This shows that your opinion matters.

2) There are a lot of things I could say about this point of view, but I'll constrain myself to the topic at hand. Perhaps you can admit that your open eagerness for this person's death is out of proportion with her actions. She may well be incompetent and reprehensible, but death seems well beyond reasonable discourse. I think one of the problems with the GG movement is the lack of interest in reform. We've seen a number of variably neutral parties come down on either side for perfectly understandable reasons.

3) Your use of the word "retarded" is not only inaccurate but also a disservice to genuinely mentally handicapped individuals. This isn't a major point since it's a common occurrence, but it seems counterproductive to, even inadvertently, bully a group when advocating the SJWs stop doing the same to you.

4) "Censorship" is far from what I'm advocating and I think you know it. My polite attempt to remind you of the perception of you comments followed by your cry of "censorship" is analogous to the repeated misconstructions of GG supporters which are immediately labeled as misogynists. It is no more difficult to "censor" yourself online than it is do to in real life. You just have to remember you're talking to people- real people. I'm not asking you to stop having personal opinions or even stop expressing them; I'm merely reminding that there is a time and a place for everything. I suggest that a thread devoted to GG does not benefit from advocating social Darwinism.

5) Whether or not people post inane things on social media is immaterial to this discussion. You're letting your personal opinions and politics cloud this discussion by turning it into a rant.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:not that i necesarily disagree. but with SJW -everything- does.
I'm not saying that we'll ever please them or even talk nicely, but I'd like to keep this a discussion and not some sort of reactionary rant. I think you know what I was getting at so feel free to check the above since I'm not sure I clarified my more moderate position accurately.

I ran across this article while looking for something else entirely. I hadn't realized that I missed the end of GG. It would be funnily inaccurate if it didn't actually reflect the public opinion at large. Instead, it's just disturbingly dark.


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-11-03

VerrKol Wrote:1) You may not be a public figurehead, but it appears from your participation in this thread that you consider yourself to be a supporter if not outright member. When dealing with a crowd movement, there exists a double edged sword because every member's opinion matters regardless of their perceived authority. Others in this thread have complained about the misrepresentation of the GamerGate movement because it has been coopted by extremists who fuel the allegations of sexism and misogyny. This shows that your opinion matters.
I understand the point you are making, but at the same time, I can't bring myself to care about the repercussions of what I say, as long as it's the way I feel. It's not like my word alone is going to ruin the entire movement, and besides, something that has been brought up on a few streams, because this has no central figures and it's such a large movement, there is no way to really target anyone to any meaningful result.



VerrKol Wrote:2) There are a lot of things I could say about this point of view, but I'll constrain myself to the topic at hand. Perhaps you can admit that your open eagerness for this person's death is out of proportion with her actions. She may well be incompetent and reprehensible, but death seems well beyond reasonable discourse.
I didn't say anything about killing anyone, I said I'm surprised that they haven't inadvertently killed THEMSELVES and the reason must be because of the widespread availability of healthcare. Not a bad thing, but at the same time, it has some negative results as well, and these people surviving their own stupidity is a prime example of that.

VerrKol Wrote:3) Your use of the word "retarded" is not only inaccurate but also a disservice to genuinely mentally handicapped individuals. This isn't a major point since it's a common occurrence, but it seems counterproductive to, even inadvertently, bully a group when advocating the SJWs stop doing the same to you.
Pants-on-head retarded does not imply mental handicap, it is used in the same way "papayagot" was used in the South Park episode with the biker gang; basically, it has nothing to do with the original slur when aimed at a specific group or with the use of specific pronouns/adjectives, IE:, the fact that I just used South Park as a way to explain why this shouldn't be a moral issue was pants-on-head retarded and I should feel bad for it.

VerrKol Wrote:5) Whether or not people post inane things on social media is immaterial to this discussion. You're letting your personal opinions and politics cloud this discussion by turning it into a rant.
On this I have to fully disagree, I feel like the major reason this is even a thing is because people are now in a twitter mindset; they don't care about research or facts, they care about the first thing they see, buzzwords used by people that are popular, and a small amount of characters as a limit so they don't lose interest. That is the core of what the twitter mindset IS, and that's why there is so much opposition to gamergate to begin with. It's not just people anymore, it's organizations, entire branches of news media and even the government to an extent, nobody cares about researching ANYTHING anymore, they just want a couple lines of polarized comments that are 100% in their favor, have no grey area, and won't make them think about anything; they want to look at it, point and proclaim the other side is made of demons, and relink it to all their friends so they can talk about how evil their enemies are.

How is that different from what I'm doing, you ask? Because I have put hundreds of hours into researching all the claims made by my side instead of just taking it at face value, and have found that most things stated are either true or true enough that I can still agree with the statement made. It's one thing to blindly hate, it's another thing to hate with lots of research to back that hate up, and not just "he hurt my feelings so he must be a bad person".

And yes, I realize you are not advocating mass censorship, I was just responding in a manner to explain myself.


#Gamergate - Eliseo - 2014-11-04

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Biggrin Found this gem on twitter.

Also, a 15k+ Gamergate supporter list going around for the users to be blocked by SJW.


#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-11-04

Eliseo Wrote:Biggrin Found this gem on twitter.

Also, a 15k+ Gamergate supporter list going around for the users to be blocked by SJW.

That image is priceless, I love it.


#Gamergate - ShinkuDragon - 2014-11-04

Flonne Wrote:That image is priceless, I love it.

i'm lovin' the ads


#Gamergate - Eliseo - 2014-11-05

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Pro-gamergate and Anti-gamergate. Things are getting chaotic.

Also:
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http://theralphretort.com/gawker-owner-nick-denton-admits-gamergate-sabotage/

Also, a lot of rumors about the FBI having identified known people who threatened themselves.