blitzkrieg Wrote:they're trying to prove that fire burner is useful during higher levels after maxing amp (which would come after cannon). the two high leveled training areas available on kMS are jr. newties and skelegons. I don't have enough HP for skelegons so I went to jr. newties to test the reaction time, which would be the same at skelegons. if you plan to mob centaurs during 14x, feel free to go test the skills there yourself. I can't speak for himes or spiders since kMS doesn't have either.

also, fire burner is NOT inferno. they're two totally different skills used by two completely different classes with different playing styles. if you want to argue the case for inferno, it shouldn't be done in pirate threads.

steve, do you still think fire burner is a good idea in fourth job after all my arguments against it? lol

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:I asked a while back about Gaviota getting replaced. I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that it boils down to gaviota vs. flame burner. To me, gaviota is "helpful" when at newties but I never count on it to help me train, octopus does a much better job at that. Pretty sure takebacker said that if any skill replaces gaviota, it will be support octo as I thought Air Strike would but you can use both skills at the same time.

I think the question has to be looked at this angle and answer these two questions:

- What's the difference between 15 and 30 gaviota? Will it have a good boost at the later levels or does levle 15 get the job done?

- Will it be viable to be used in training once you have support octo/air strike?

Compare those questions with flame burner and that's how you can decide.

Takebacker Wrote:Fine, compromise time.

Torpedo beats burner and cooling in mowing down mobs.

Burner and cooling beats torpedo until it's at a decent level.

Skill book availability: UNKNOWN. (seriously, can i has data on that pls? D: )

Torpedo saves inventory space and has longer horizontal range.

Burner and cooling has better vertical range but worse horizontal range.

Conclusion for global maplestory: Burner is still worth it to max as a general mobbing skill until you get 15+ torpedo, where it will only be used in the extremely off chance your ship is down. (for the record, i still have no idea how burner and cooling fare at himes so once we get more outlaws out there with burner... :O)

Fine with you? :/



The first one: The difference is like...3k damage per hit if i remember correctly. 6k per hit at max and 3k per hit at level 15. I'm a little fuzzy on the numbers so i'm sure shrapnel will fix that for me. xD

The second: No. You do NOT want to be bothered with recasting it at newties, because if you pause to cast it even if it takes a fraction of a second your killing speed will go down for a measly 6k per hit on a single newtie.

blitzkrieg Wrote:unfortunately I can't remember how much damage gaviota did at level 15

for me, gaviota wasn't any help at newties while I was standing behind the rope, but now when I train on the top, bottom, or below the rope, it's a LOT of help.. sometimes adding on a total of around 21k damage (though usually only 7-14k) depending on the number of monsters it hits. and if you know how to time it correctly, it won't hurt your DPM at all because you can cast it while using triple fire. that's the cool thing about gunslingers.. you really have to know the class and practice to get your best EXP.

about the whole burner v. torpedo thing.. I still don't think it's worth it lol. but let's agree to disagree?

Takebacker Wrote:Lol, the server i played had it so gaviota was 1000x better than octo since you didn't have to recast it and it's range was MUCH smaller than the real thing so it attacked a lot more. I still went with the normal build leaving it at 15 but i remember it's damage easily doubling octos on a hit by hit basis. (which would be 4500-5000, pretty stable actually) I never got it to max obviously but i probably saw another captain colleague of mine with maxed gaviota, but can't remember his damage. xD

Hmm...was that 21k per minute? Lol, that's even worse than i thought. xD Anyway, i know since there's a time difference and all you can't really party at newties that well but when do you think it would be possible to do that? Do you think gaviota would allow you to be effective faster? Now that i think about it, would it matter that much for GMS at the moment whether or not gaviota would be effective? We don't have the newtie mini dungeon yet, so finding a channel to solo is near impossible in my server and if you actually get one you'll probably be KSed out within the hour. >_> Meaning you're probably stuck at anywhere in CWK or kents where mobbing happens constantly. xD That casting during TF i didn't know though, couldn't do that when i played. O_o

Yeah, they're both good skills regardless of what we think so we'll settle on that. :3

blitzkrieg Wrote:21k per minute? god no lol. 21k in one cast (7k each to 3 monsters). though it was usually 7-14k, I'd say 14k was about the average. as for partying at newties, it's definitely an option. I was able to kill nest golems way before level 105, though I did HP wash a bit, so it should be no problem when you've actually reached the leech level. another way that a lot of 9x players on kMS party is to have a ranger on the middle platform with his hawk out, while he and the other party members attack the first two newties on that platform. it's pretty good exp, a lot better than soloing. it'd also be possible to have a valkyrie freezing that newtie each time it spawns and have all the party members kill as well.

sucks about the map situation.. don't really know what to say besides wait for the mini dungeon to come out lol.. :< the only time I've ever really had a problem at newties was while partying with my friend's bishop there.. but they left after a friend and I spoke with them for a bit. it's just a totally different maturity & respect level over here lol

and for casting gaviota during triple fire, you need really precise timing. I was able to practice it a lot since I've been grinding with 1x exp on newties for 28 levels..

Russt Wrote:Flamesplitter is my nickname for Takebacker's apparent favorite combo, Flamethrower + Ice Splitter.

Hiep Wrote:Do knuckles have to be equipped to use any Brawler skills besides somersault?

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:(Advanced) Homing

- For this skill, at level 1, it says 148%. Does this mean it does 148% of your damage or does it add 148% damage to your current skill. I assume it's the "add-on" much like how critical's 100% is an addition to your current skill.

- When you use it to target an enemy, will it stay on the enemy until it dies? I assume CCing/CS/MTS/relog, etc will cause it to come off but wondering if you use it, afk on the map, and come back say 10 minutes later, is it still on.

Fiel Wrote:Homing
Description: Sends out a parrot to mark an enemy. Afterwards. all your attacks are focused on the enemy followed by the parrot.
Max Level: 30

1	MP - 20	148% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
2	MP - 20	156% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
3	MP - 20	164% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
4	MP - 20	172% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
5	MP - 20	180% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
6	MP - 20	188% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
7	MP - 20	196% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
8	MP - 20	204% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
9	MP - 20	212% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
10	MP - 20	220% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
11	MP - 25	228% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
12	MP - 25	236% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
13	MP - 25	244% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
14	MP - 25	252% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
15	MP - 25	260% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
16	MP - 25	268% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
17	MP - 25	276% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
18	MP - 25	284% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
19	MP - 25	292% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
20	MP - 25	300% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
21	MP - 30	308% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
22	MP - 30	316% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
23	MP - 30	324% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
24	MP - 30	332% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
25	MP - 30	340% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
26	MP - 30	348% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
27	MP - 30	356% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
28	MP - 30	364% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
29	MP - 30	372% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]
30	MP - 30	380% Damage	350 Range [noparse][/noparse]

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:(Advanced) Homing

- For this skill, at level 1, it says 148%. Does this mean it does 148% of your damage or does it add 148% damage to your current skill. I assume it's the "add-on" much like how critical's 100% is an addition to your current skill.

- When you use it to target an enemy, will it stay on the enemy until it dies? I assume CCing/CS/MTS/relog, etc will cause it to come off but wondering if you use it, afk on the map, and come back say 10 minutes later, is it still on.

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Ah ic, so homing really isn't that helpful for bossing except the "targetting" aspect and it's advanced homing where you get the damage boost to your original attack

Is ^ correct?

And anyone got an answer for the 2nd part?