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Ask a Pirate Thread - Arroz - 2008-11-24
you know none of these builds mean pomegranate unless you can actually get the god dam skills which won't be happening anytime soon, and unless slingers can do decent damage slightly better then a BM and have the right connections then you might have a chance at MW 20 after all the hype is down and after the box event. Even then the amount of hp washing it takes is crazy and if your not up for that you'll be taking a back seat for that nonsense. It's going to be really sad seeing Airstrike 30 being expensive for no reason too
but I really shouldn't care I gots neotokyo to look forward to ^.~
Ask a Pirate Thread - QuickDraw - 2008-11-24
Takebacker Wrote:I don't think there's a class that can stun and freeze besides gunslingers to test it out. Lol.
I don't see why a monster would be stunned and frozen at the same time though.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does it says so in the kmst translations I read!
Ask a Pirate Thread - Mozilla - 2008-11-24
Just to ask,
Do the Class specific quests give Pirate scrolls already? Like the kill 120 croco's quest and get a scroll for you class.
Ask a Pirate Thread - TugboatWilly - 2008-11-24
Mozilla Wrote:Just to ask,yes, they do.
Do the Class specific quests give Pirate scrolls already? Like the kill 120 croco's quest and get a scroll for you class.
Ask a Pirate Thread - Kirov - 2008-11-24
Non class specific quests have been updated too. I got a 60% Gun Atk Scroll from the Jane And The Wild Boar quest.
Ask a Pirate Thread - psychopat - 2008-11-24
You CAN stun and freeze at the same time, it's just pointless...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for stuns, monsters unstun as soon as you hit them with a melee attack. If you use long range attacks or spells, they don't unstun.
Cue a sniper and/or marksman. As luck would have it, I have one. You can stun it with eagle and then ice shot it and it'll have both effects.
Ask a Pirate Thread - Dusk - 2008-11-24
@ people saying Flamesplitter negating Freeze will get you hit a lot:
I can't see any explanation for this other than that you're not dodging. Learn to mob better. You don't have the safety of Puppet like archers do, but dodging by jumping back and forth while attacking is fairly standard practice as a slinger. Actually playing through second job is giving me the hang of using Recoil and Wings to dodge while mobbing. There's just a ton of options here that take some practice and tech skill (IN MAPLE?!).
If there's another reason for taking a ton of hits other than that, please enlighten me. It sounds easier than spamming Avenger as a Hermit to me.
Ask a Pirate Thread - blitzkrieg - 2008-11-24
Dusk Wrote:@ people saying Flamesplitter negating Freeze will get you hit a lot:
I can't see any explanation for this other than that you're not dodging. Learn to mob better. You don't have the safety of Puppet like archers do, but dodging by jumping back and forth while attacking is fairly standard practice as a slinger. Actually playing through second job is giving me the hang of using Recoil and Wings to dodge while mobbing. There's just a ton of options here that take some practice and tech skill (IN MAPLE?!).
If there's another reason for taking a ton of hits other than that, please enlighten me. It sounds easier than spamming Avenger as a Hermit to me.
maybe you should actually try it before making a statement like that. takebacker is saying that using fire burner + cooling effect during fourth job is a good idea. I tried using it at jr. newties to see how it works, and you can't dodge a magic attack from them obviously. the second you use fire burner, the newtie will attack you. you can't just backstep away. and if you're trying to jump back and forth while using the combo, you'll just get hit even more because you won't freeze them as quickly as you would with a macro while standing still.
how about losing the sass when you have no idea what you're talking about next time?
Ask a Pirate Thread - KaidaTan - 2008-11-24
Dusk Wrote:If there's another reason for taking a ton of hits other than that, please enlighten me. It sounds easier than spamming Avenger as a Hermit to me.
Lets not forget that Fire Burner has around half the range of Avenger, hmm?
As far as I'm concerned, Fire Burner is just as worthless as Inferno. Especially since if you really really wanted to mob anything (fire-weak or otherwise) lategame, you'd just use Torpedo anyway. It has more range, does double the damage, and doesn't require capsules to use.
Ask a Pirate Thread - Kaasoljoyyx - 2008-11-24
You don't need capsules to use it.
Ask a Pirate Thread - KaidaTan - 2008-11-24
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:You don't need capsules to use it.
Alright, I knew that. But Fire Burner is purely a damage skill. If you don't use capsules, then it's a nothing skill. I was just pointing out that you'd have to carry capsules for that skill if you wanted the damage to be not terrible... but then it's still pretty terrible.
Ask a Pirate Thread - Sylphior - 2008-11-24
KaidaTan Wrote:Lets not forget that Fire Burner has around half the range of Avenger, hmm?
As far as I'm concerned, Fire Burner is just as worthless as Inferno. Especially since if you really really wanted to mob anything (fire-weak or otherwise) lategame, you'd just use Torpedo anyway. It has more range, does double the damage, and doesn't require capsules to use.
lol, i'm just waiting for steve to come in on this comparison between Torpedo and Flamethrower.
Ask a Pirate Thread - LazyBui - 2008-11-24
I have a question. There were well over 9,000 of you that job advanced twice (pirate rank 9,001 is occupied by a level 32 as of this post). NONE OF YOU SAVED YOUR JOB ADVANCE HP/MP AMOUNTS FOR FUTURE PIRATES? If you did, what were they so I can add them to my thread and credit you? If not, for shame!
Ask a Pirate Thread - Moonlapse - 2008-11-24
Considering the low attack speed of double upper, does it ever replace flash fist?
Ask a Pirate Thread - Link - 2008-11-24
Moonlapse Wrote:Considering the low attack speed of double upper, does it ever replace flash fist?
No. I still use it at level 124.
Ask a Pirate Thread - Takebacker - 2008-11-24
KaidaTan Wrote:Lets not forget that Fire Burner has around half the range of Avenger, hmm?
As far as I'm concerned, Fire Burner is just as worthless as Inferno. Especially since if you really really wanted to mob anything (fire-weak or otherwise) lategame, you'd just use Torpedo anyway. It has more range, does double the damage, and doesn't require capsules to use.
Let's not forget that avenger is slow as pomegranate compared to burner + cooling and NLs suck ass at mobbing anyway, hmm?
If you're seriously worried about damage and inventory space by all means use torpedo. By the way, torpedo seemed to have much more horizontal range, and no where near as much vertical range when i used it. I haven't tested that though, and it's kinda late to do that too but it's worth noting.
blitzkrieg Wrote:maybe you should actually try it before making a statement like that. takebacker is saying that using fire burner + cooling effect during fourth job is a good idea. I tried using it at jr. newties to see how it works, and you can't dodge a magic attack from them obviously. the second you use fire burner, the newtie will attack you. you can't just backstep away. and if you're trying to jump back and forth while using the combo, you'll just get hit even more because you won't freeze them as quickly as you would with a macro while standing still.
how about losing the sass when you have no idea what you're talking about next time?
You tried at newties?
._.
Why? D:
Also, do you know how rare/expensive captain skills are in KMS?
Ask a Pirate Thread - Dusk - 2008-11-24
blitzkrieg Wrote:maybe you should actually try it before making a statement like that. takebacker is saying that using fire burner + cooling effect during fourth job is a good idea. I tried using it at jr. newties to see how it works, and you can't dodge a magic attack from them obviously. the second you use fire burner, the newtie will attack you. you can't just backstep away. and if you're trying to jump back and forth while using the combo, you'll just get hit even more because you won't freeze them as quickly as you would with a macro while standing still.
how about losing the sass when you have no idea what you're talking about next time?
What business do you have using Fire Burner at Newties? Mob skills, short of fullscreen ultimates, are almost never useful at Newties. I use Inferno maybe once every 5 minutes, and Arrow Rain almost never at Newties. Use it at a place where mob skills actually have more relevance. Himes, Kentauri, and Wolf Spiders are good examples. If you can prove to me that Fire Burner sucks at those places, then you've convinced me not to max it.
If you're going to tell me off like that, at least know what you're talking about.
KaidaTan Wrote:Lets not forget that Fire Burner has around half the range of Avenger, hmm?You're missing the point of getting it. It's the same deal as Inferno. Inferno is an amazing skill to have from around level 90 to 120. No, you don't need it at Newties, but it's an amazing general purpose mob skill and you're missing out if you think it's useless in third job. I wince every time someone tells me Inferno is a worthless skill and they're level 160+. No pomegranate, you trained at Newties and then Skelegons to that level. After 120, you run out of places where you'll be mobbing often, and it falls back in usefulness. And after 140, your Hurricane mows everything in front of you down faster than any mob skill save on 5 or 6 targets, and there aren't any mobby places to train anyway, so Inferno becomes almost useless.
As far as I'm concerned, Fire Burner is just as worthless as Inferno. Especially since if you really really wanted to mob anything (fire-weak or otherwise) lategame, you'd just use Torpedo anyway. It has more range, does double the damage, and doesn't require capsules to use.
In the case of FB, it is also a great mob skill until endgame, when you get Torpedo to replace it. The useful level ranges are different, and I have no idea what they are at the moment.
In both cases, you're getting the skill for the sake of having an upper hand in mobbing power until endgame levels. I don't see the process of levelling from 120 to 150 or 160 as a trifling matter.
If you don't get it, that's fine. You're not training with your mob skills.
Edit @ below: yeah, someone called it flamesplitter and I got confused for a second.
Ask a Pirate Thread - JakeAndBake - 2008-11-24
Dosen't flame burner give an effect similar to poison?
Ask a Pirate Thread - Takebacker - 2008-11-24
Dusk Wrote:What business do you have using Flamesplitter at Newties? Mob skills, short of fullscreen ultimates, are almost never useful at Newties. I use Inferno maybe once every 5 minutes, and Arrow Rain almost never at Newties. Use it at a place where mob skills actually have more relevance. Himes, Kentauri, and Wolf Spiders are good examples. If you can prove to me that Flamesplitter sucks at those places, then you've convinced me not to max it.
If you're going to tell me off like that, at least know what you're talking about.
...Lol dude.
1) He used it at newties to test response times for monsters. I agree it was one of the worser choices of maps to test it, but he wasn't using it for training.
2) He's in KMS. KMS doesn't have himes or wolf spiders.
3) Don't try to get in this discussion, lol.
Edit: Flamesplitter? wtp?
Ask a Pirate Thread - Dusk - 2008-11-24
Takebacker Wrote:...Lol dude.
1) He used it at newties to test response times for monsters. I agree it was one of the worser choices of maps to test it, but he wasn't using it for training.
2) He's in KMS. KMS doesn't have himes or wolf spiders.
3) Don't try to get in this discussion, lol.
Edit: Flamesplitter? wtp?
Oh, I wasn't aware KMS doesn't have any good mobby places to train. Never mind.
I'm in this discussion for the same reason I'm in all the Inferno discussions. I hate to see people trashing a powerful fire-elemental mob skill.