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Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Printable Version +- Southperry.net (https://www.southperry.net) +-- Forum: Social (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=14) +--- Forum: Rubik's Cube (https://www.southperry.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=58) +--- Thread: Monty Hall problem - SP edition (/showthread.php?tid=9227) |
Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Cancambo - 2009-03-18 Tir Wrote:It's better if you think about the other 100 doors example: There are 100 doors, you pick one, and 98 doors are opened revealing pineapples. So there's the door you picked, and the door that's left. We can both agree that before the other doors were opened, you had a 1% chance of picking the right door. According to you, afterward, you have a 50% of getting the chinchilla if you stay. That means that your probability went up from 1% to 50% of picking the door with the chinchilla by doing nothing. This means that no matter door you picked at the beginning, you have a 50% chance of it having the chinchilla.It should if part of the problem was eliminated. I will apply my chart below to this as well using the the simpler example from the original post. Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Maybe this example will make more sense.I knew he will never eliminate a good door. If he did then the chance would be 0% AFTER he eliminates the door. AFTER the door is eliminated your chance goes up. You know there are 2 doors and ONE out of TWO contains the winning , the other is the . The same is for the roulette. Let me revise your chart to see how I am thinking this out.Initially you have the three doors: A, B, C. Let's just assume you chose B, it wouldn't matter if you chose A either, and that he eliminates C. A wins. You can substitute doors if you like. Just remember one of the remaining has to win and one has to lose. So: Choose A + Stay = Win Choose A + Switch = Lose Choose B + Stay = Lose Choose B + Switch = Win Choose C + Switch = Win C is struken since it was eliminated by the host, revealing it contained a . This makes the probabilty 50% chance of winning if you stay and 50% chance of winning if you switch.
Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Nikkey - 2009-03-18 Think of it this way: You first choose one of the three doors. Now, he eliminates one bad door. That would equal to choosing two doors if you now choose the other door. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Cancambo - 2009-03-18 Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Think of it this way: I guess this helps, a little. It is cloudy since I can see it as you throwing away the other door since you never found out the result. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Kaasoljoyyx - 2009-03-18 TehMatt Wrote:So: No. Choose A + Eliminate B or C [does not matter] + Stay = Win Choose A + Eliminate B or C [does not matter] + Switch = Lose Choose B + Must eliminate C + Stay = Lose Choose B + Must eliminate C + Switch = Win Choose C + Must eliminate B + Stay = Lose Choose C + Must eliminate B + Switch = Win For choosing A, there are not two difference possibilities if he picks B or C. This makes it 1/3 if you stay and 2/3 if you switch. If you really want more proof, wikipedia it or something. This problem is very very famous and used in tv shoes, movies, etc... It is proved that the above is true. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Cancambo - 2009-03-18 Pictures help a lot more, seeing the scenarios rather than just reading them. This is so counterintuitive. I more wanted to understand the problem then just take your word for it. Not only that, I just realized how much I respect the SP community, for the most part. Instead of calling me a thick-headed idiot, or something of that sort, you worked with me. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - AngelSL - 2009-03-20 It's 50%. Because you already *know* that 1 incorrect door will be gone. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Nikkey - 2009-03-20 AngelSL Wrote:It's 50%. But at the beginning, you don't know which door that is! Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Tir - 2009-03-20
chart listing out all the cases
If you count, you'll see that if you stay, there are two cases where you'll get a pineapple, and 1 case where you'll get a chinchilla, but if you switch, there are two cases where you'll get a chinchilla, and 1 case where you'll get a pineapple.TehMatt Wrote:Choose A + Stay = Win You can't strike C because if you had chosen it, the host would have revealed what is behind door B. edit: Ok, I re-read your post and have a clarification to make. Yes, in the case you stated, the probability is 50%, but under the assumption that initially door B is always picked and you have the option of staying or switching, in which case you're only really picking between door A and door B (door C is irrelevant in this case). What you should do is repeat your steps assuming you pick door A first, and again assuming you pick door C first. Individually you'll still get 50% for each case, but when you combine them you'll find that you have a 2/3 chance of picking the chinchilla if you switch. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - AngelSL - 2009-03-20 Devil's Sunrise Wrote:But at the beginning, you don't know which door that is!No, but you know it's not the door you selected, and it's incorrect. So you have 2 doors anyway, 1 door could never be chosen. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - Kaasoljoyyx - 2009-03-21 Here is a similar problem. You have 3 cards White on both sides Black on both sides White on one side, black on the other You only see one side of the card You see the side is white What is the probability that the other side is black No, the answer is not 50% and you can go and test this yourself over and over and over and you'll see it converges to a different number. Monty Hall problem - SP edition - NoJobNoRules - 2009-03-26 Psh. Simple. Open the two doors, then select the one that has the chinchilla in it. You just said that you had to select the door - didn't matter if it was opened or closed.
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