VerrKol Wrote:Since I've seen this mentioned by a couple people now... What exactly has Trump brought up that we weren't already discussing?

Border security? We've been discussing his wall solution since before Bush. Deportation? Excepting Jeb Bush, I don't think Republicans ever gave up on this idea.
Abortion/PP? Nothing new here except the reversal of his position before running for office.
Economics? No one is discussing specifics beyond tax reform which we all know will go nowhere so he can safely present a plan. Interestingly, he's willing to cut defense spending, but I only found that out by doing specific research so not sure how visible that is in the national debates. I suppose we can give him points for bringing up ways to abuse bankruptcy laws.
Civil Rights? He's a misogynistic, racist bigot, but the only thing new we're discussing is how far his comments will go.
Crime? Zip.
Education? He's said nothing specific except that he wants to gut federal funding and leave it up to the states. Nothing innovative or even interesting.
Energy? Hasn't said a thing.
Environment? Global warming is a hoax and the EPA will be gutted. He's going farther than some Republicans, but that's not new.
Foreign Policy? Nothing but antagonistic rhetoric. I'll grant that he's got a different approach than anyone else.
Gun Control? Same old, same old.
Healthcare? Savings accounts. Not a new approach and not even discussed significantly.

I could go on, but I'm bored now. What exactly does Trump discuss or offer that no one else has? If anything, his antics are distracting the national debate from actual issues and actual solutions. I'm seriously confused where people got this impression. He's certainly willing to say things no one else will, but I've never seen him discuss anything.

Polantaris Wrote:There's a significant difference here.

The Obama hate was because he was black, presumed to be muslim due to his name (and his name didn't help), and thought to not be a US citizen. Basically, all paranoia.

Trump is proven to be maniacal, says things that are horribly racist and would create huge international tension (if it already hasn't), and cannot be reigned in in any way if he goes out of control (which is almost guaranteed to happen). Basically, all serious problems.

The difference between the two is that the people who think logically and are intelligent, like myself, are the ones who are very, very worried about Trump becoming President, while it was racist bigots who were flipping out about Obama.

I don't give a pomegranate that he's white, old, and a business owner. I give a pomegranate that he's borderline crazy and says things that are complete opposites to this country's founding principles. The fact that he would even suggest that we should shut out an entire religion based on the religion is in complete contrast to what this nation is based on. You never heard Obama make such bigoted statements.

Unless he is actually fooling everyone and does a complete reversal to everything he says he stands for if he becomes President, things will be looking very dire if he gets elected.

VerrKol Wrote:What exactly is your problem with Bill Clinton? He seemed to have done a relatively good job in retrospect if we ignore his personal life. The economy was growing. He actually had a budget surplus. Foreign policy was a mixed bag, but at least our wars were short.

Flonne Wrote:He was an even bigger contributing factor to the 2008 market crash than Bush's entire war was. The housing bubble was almost solely the fault of a policy he passed.

KhainiWest Wrote:The thing is, it's even more un-american to disqualify him because you specifically don't agree with him, in fact our founding fathers would have probably taken away your ability to vote if you really wanted to be technical about this. If trump wins, that tells you two things;

-The country want's an isolation-esque policy
-We're more concerned over our security than our humanity

I don't think either one is a bad or good answer, just the morale of the country will shift as time goes on (see gay marriage). Donald trump is not going to win, you don't have to worry about it, even the radical right wing has disowned him but praise him for his media manipulation. That's the bottom line really, he's no substance, he's the embodiment of majority of the countries frustration and is a very real problem. The candidates are going to be Bernie vs Ted cruz, I'm calling it now, and bernie is most likely going to win. He has a strong conviction towards his character, although I find his policies just as radical and unobtainable as any of donald trumps wall building lol

Polantaris Wrote:I disagree. There's a difference between disagreeing with him and his beliefs compromising the foundation of the country, regardless of what its citizens want at this particular time and period. I disagree with most politicians, but I don't believe that their beliefs and statements should disqualify them when they don't compromise the foundation of the country. The country was built upon the ideal of justice and freedom for all, not just Americans. It was also built with the idea of division between church and state. Pretty sure that means the state shouldn't be able to decide which churches are allowed in or that you shouldn't be allowed in based on the church you frequent.

I don't agree with anything Hillary Clinton says, either. But I'm not saying she should be disqualified. I don't think she should be President, but that's what my vote is for.

I agree that if Bernie ends up on the ticket he will most likely win. He'll get the young voters to actually vote, something that rarely happens because it's so often just a decision between horribly smelling bowls of sh'it where the only difference is the type of smell. I don't know if Bernie will actually hold up with anything he says, but out of all the bowls I have a choice between, his smells the best. But he has to get on the ticket, and Hillary is unfortunately very good at pandering to people.

xparasite9 Wrote:You guys literally cannot stump the trump
[video=youtube;AEAJrT8PeOo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAJrT8PeOo[/video]

KhainiWest Wrote:

Hypermug Wrote:I remember people saying the same thing about Obama, and well, 2 terms later...

Assuming people would actually vote for him for this reason, it's definitely NOT worth the risk.

KhainiWest Wrote:Really? Honestly I don't remember, and I was being completely facetious. Dad's military, throwing away a vote is like spitting in his face. Definitely not voting democrat this election though, Bernie is probably the closest to genuine but he's economically retarded unfortunately :|

Satellite Wrote:I don't know how old this is but stumbled upon it in Youtube...

STOP GIVING HIM VOTES GUYS

xparasite9 Wrote:KhainiWest is Trump being truthful in saying that it's not a good idea to release your tax information while in the midst of an audit?

MuscleWizard Wrote:honestly out of everyone on the red side, i'd rather trump win the primary because cruz and rubio terrify the pineapple out of me.

Pastewrong Wrote:and his debates are pure gold

“A year ago you told me on my radio show — the audio and transcript are out there on YouTube — that you would release your tax returns" -Hewitt

"First of all, very few people listen to your radio show. That’s the good news. Let me just tell you — which happens to be true. Check out the ratings.” -Trump