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Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - TheBlackMage - 2013-05-20

Imitazion Wrote:how does Asura's (DB hyper) 100% PDR Ignore affect this?
will I ignore all of CPB's 180% PDR?
Casper here is the ultimate proof for ya' (notice the damage)
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Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - ShinkuDragon - 2013-05-20

does FC stack additively with boss damage? if so those screens aren't useful :X

Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - Grey - 2013-05-20

Nope, multiplicative.

Also, depending on which Magnus that is (Reg Magnus has 50% DEF, Hard has 120%), it's inconclusive in proving whether or not 100% Ignore DEF will ignore all DEF, even if it's over 100%. I really don't see why it'd change to subtract the amount of Ignore DEF from the monster's DEF rather than ignoring that amount of the monster's DEF, though, especially since they already reduced the effectiveness of Ignore DEF.

Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - MountLag - 2013-05-20

The easiest way to check would be use it on boss X with low defense and boss Y with high defense. Then check if the damages are the same (they'll be the same if all defense is ignored).
I have no idea what's going on in those pics so I can't comment on that.

Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - JoeTang - 2013-05-20

TheBlackMage Wrote:Casper here is the ultimate proof for ya' (notice the damage)
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ShinkuDragon Wrote:does FC stack additively with boss damage? if so those screens aren't useful :X

iAmFear Wrote:Nope, multiplicative.

Also, depending on which Magnus that is (Reg Magnus has 50% DEF, Hard has 120%), it's inconclusive in proving whether or not 100% Ignore DEF will ignore all DEF, even if it's over 100%. I really don't see why it'd change to subtract the amount of Ignore DEF from the monster's DEF rather than ignoring that amount of the monster's DEF, though, especially since they already reduced the effectiveness of Ignore DEF.

2422898~2601161
Taking out the 1.6x from Final Cut
1514311~1625725
And then adding the 50% reduction from Magnus' Physical Resist
757155~812862


We see 725115 in the Magnus image. 12% difference in the max damage. Dojo screenshot has lots more watk from the Ring and Dojo buff. I think those 400ks in the Magnus screenshot are from Hidden Blade, not Asura? They're really low.

Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - TheBlackMage - 2013-05-20

JoeTang Wrote:2422898~2601161
Taking out the 1.6x from Final Cut
1514311~1625725
And then adding the 50% reduction from Magnus' Physical Resist
757155~812862

We see 725115 in the Magnus image. 12% difference in the max damage. Dojo screenshot has lots more watk from the Ring and Dojo buff. I think those 400ks in the Magnus screenshot are from Hidden Blade, not Asura? They're really low.
Even with the DABR the damage is nearly the same (Note:This is Hard Magnus).
I have two screenshots of that with nearly the same damage
And about the Pap image,it hits more than that on lower defense bosses in dojo around 200k~400k more damage with those buffs.
And that leads into the fact Asura definitely doesn't ignore all PDR,Unless I've missed something here.

Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills - Imitazion - 2013-05-21

TheBlackMage Wrote:Even with the DABR the damage is nearly the same (Note:This is Hard Magnus).
I have two screenshots of that with nearly the same damage
And about the Pap image,it hits more than that on lower defense bosses in dojo around 200k~400k more damage with those buffs.
And that leads into the fact Asura definitely doesn't ignore all PDR,Unless I've missed something here.

Magnus might have some physical immune rate.