Jared Wrote:I've honestly not bothered to read most of this thread. I understand what you're going for here, but please understand this game is based upon micro-transactions. The idea of presenting a be-all-end-all solution completely dismantles the business model which has, thus far, proven to be well-suited for Nexon's purposes. We may not agree with it, but in terms of making easy money and doing it quickly, they've got it nailed (albeit at the behest of their customers that see through such a shady tactic).

As much as the idea sounds like it'd be great, it really wouldn't. Take into account that plenty of folks have tons of hoarded NX funded from both game-restricted and literally illegal means, plenty of NX floating around. If a full upgrade on something were as cheap as $215, I assure you the community taking advantage of various game exploits would attain plenty of profit, even with the base cost. Let's not forget, also, that all weapons would from then on be useless for the most part unless one of those expensive upgrades were purchased. Not much different from now, sure, but the certainty has a convenience fee associated with it that works in both directions.

KhainiWest Wrote:You can't speak on behalf of anyone but yourself.

Oaysis Wrote:Since when have we cared about how much money Nexon makes? Besides Nexon makes money from other games besides Maplestory. Nexon doesn't have to resort to making a pay-to-win game in order to make money. See Guild Wars 2 for example. Ideally players should only be able to buy convenience and cosmetic items from the CS. You shouldn't be able to pay for more damage. Players should be rewarded for skill and experience not how much dollars they have.

Oaysis Wrote:Btw I hate this pineapple and pomegranate point system. You shouldn't be down-voting because you disagree with a opinion, but when a post adds nothing to a discussion (memes)

IImaplers Wrote:True, in a way. It'd work if the bosses can be killed 1-2 times per day max. It can also work if the cubes are untradeable. Otherwise, the dupers would find a way to dupe them and profit.

Oaysis Wrote:Since when have we cared about how much money Nexon makes? Besides Nexon makes money from other games besides Maplestory. Nexon doesn't have to resort to making a pay-to-win game in order to make money. See Guild Wars 2 for example. Ideally players should only be able to buy convenience and cosmetic items from the CS. You shouldn't be able to pay for more damage. Players should be rewarded for skill and experience not how much dollars they have.

Btw I hate this pineapple and pomegranate point system. You shouldn't be down-voting because you disagree with a opinion, but when a post adds nothing to a discussion (memes)

Oaysis Wrote:Since when have we cared about how much money Nexon makes? Besides Nexon makes money from other games besides Maplestory. Nexon doesn't have to resort to making a pay-to-win game in order to make money. See Guild Wars 2 for example. Ideally players should only be able to buy convenience and cosmetic items from the CS. You shouldn't be able to pay for more damage. Players should be rewarded for skill and experience not how much dollars they have.

Btw I hate this pineapple and pomegranate point system. You shouldn't be down-voting because you disagree with a opinion, but when a post adds nothing to a discussion (memes)

Sephie Wrote:The best suggestion for potential done right is to just get rid of it...

Satellite Wrote:I think you might've misunderstood what Nexon is. It's a company. People work there to make a living, not because they want to dedicate their lifes for fulfilling the most wild fantasies of the playerbase.

Potential should be nerfed and cubes should be cheaper but Nexon removing their best cashcow completely is just naive.

Sephie Wrote:I think you might have misunderstood the point of this topic. People are informally suggesting different scenarios that would change the system for the better. They are proposed scenarios that promotes positive change by trying to save a terrible system with compromises while my informal suggestion is to simply get rid of the terrible system which, imo, is the best case scenario for the playerbase, however unlikely the scenario might be.

It's a thought experiment, not a professionally edited proposal that would be on the agenda of the boardroom at Nexon that was promised to be highly considered. I don't see other people in this thread grading posts on how "realistic" it might be since everything in this thread is just personal opinion and what they feel is best.

It seems that people like you are taking these posts way too seriously.

SaptaZapta Wrote:In that case, it should have been entitled "Pipe-dream for potential done right" and been posted in the MapleAdditions forum, where all fantasies and wishful thinking go.
"Suggestion" generally implies that it's being presented to someone who can implement it, and stands a chance to be convinced to do so. You can't fault people for trying to view such things realistically.

bast963 Wrote:We're on the internet. It's been "every man for himself" since day one. If you don't like the way I argue, then go bark up another tree.

bast963 Wrote:I'm about done with this idea anyway. Nexon has a policy of "RUSH NEW STUFF, NEVER LOOK AT OLD STUFF" anyway, which explains why HT took 2 years to fix, why Zak/HT still have JQ reqs, why every big boss has channel limit instead of being instanted to accommodate the power creep, why skill books weren't removed from existence before Cygnus Knights came out, etc. The only exception being classes themselves, which were revamped to prevent mass quitting.

KhainiWest Wrote:Whether I like it or not is irrelevant, it's the fact that your assumptions are clearly uneducated.



See the thing is, when you say nexon, do you know who you're talking about? Nexon KMS from my understanding has these problems but fix them with a small patch, the problem is, nexon america, struggles with this content, as they have no real communication besides "Translate this patch/#'s to your regional game". There are a lot of public complaints about how the company functions inside, how it's english vs FOB korean, how there's more managers than employees. With those facts you can assume that the content not fixed is either not reported properly, unknown to them because KMS isn't reporting those problems, or just frankly don't have the time because they are preparing the next patch for KMS.

These have problems since like 2009, if you really can't tolerate it, stop playing, that's called an adult decision, you aren't proving anything by playing then complaining. "BUT I still tolerate nexon, hoping you'll hear my complaints and set the game up as I want it!". It won't, doesn't, and can't work that way.

bast963 Wrote:That was towards both Nexon America and Nexon Korea.

and I did stop playing. I think I might come back at the beginning of tempest patch to reset all my characters skills, then uninstall until either the game dies or a different company that isn't run by investors magically buys this game out.

bast963 Wrote:There, now it costs a fixed $215 to get a perfect world potential item. Just perfect scroll it first (good luck with that) and then pay your $215 and you will have the best damage ever. It's better than items that are like "OH HAY I'M GONNA BE PRICK AND NEED 100 CUBES FOR UNIQUE, 200 CUBES FOR LEGENDARY, 300 CUBES FOR LEGENDARY 4TH AND 5TH LINES, AND 400 CUBES FOR A RANK NEB THAT DOESN'T SUCK" because pineapple needing luck to do everything.

Kubi Wrote:Anyway, bonuses to accuracy and avoid are junk only because the stat system for them is junk. If they made them more useful, then maybe more people wouldn't mind and complain about getting them. They could even implement accuracy and avoid into the damage multiplier or formula for some classes that would actually benefit from having lot of it.

From Pre-BB times, accuracy actually mattered to extent, archers were actually needed for certain mobs to be hit that other classes couldn't. It mattered to especially for warriors that actually bought stuff with accuracy on them. Now, the accuracy is based on level range and the accuracy stat is pretty much useless. Other stats like defense and avoid won't matter that much either unless you have a lot of it. Some classes will never be able to achieve that much for the player to even care about it.
Speed and jump can easily be maxed by other methods than cubing equipment for them.

Kubi Wrote:Anyway, bonuses to accuracy and avoid are junk only because the stat system for them is junk. If they made them more useful, then maybe more people wouldn't mind and complain about getting them. They could even implement accuracy and avoid into the damage multiplier or formula for some classes that would actually benefit from having lot of it.

From Pre-BB times, accuracy actually mattered to extent, archers were actually needed for certain mobs to be hit that other classes couldn't. It mattered to especially for warriors that actually bought stuff with accuracy on them. Now, the accuracy is based on level range and the accuracy stat is pretty much useless. Other stats like defense and avoid won't matter that much either unless you have a lot of it. Some classes will never be able to achieve that much for the player to even care about it.
Speed and jump can easily be maxed by other methods than cubing equipment for them.

Cere Wrote:Quite. Given a choice between getting rid of "junk stats" or dejunkifying them, I'd personally go for the latter any day. Complexity is nice!