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Phantom - Viaje - 2011-12-28
Corazon Wrote:Maybe the Skyia is a portable immortality vessel, akin to the treasure that Arwen hands Aragorn in Lord of the Rings.UGH! NO!
That necklace had no power. Her giving it to him was simply symbolic of her choosing mortality.
Phantom - Alloy - 2011-12-28
Dark Zero Wrote:So a Pirate hero should be Terry Bogard, Kyo Kusanagi or Ryu....
Even better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZeD40Rg8A
Phantom - Corazon - 2011-12-28
Viaje Wrote:UGH! NO!
That necklace had no power. Her giving it to him was simply symbolic of her choosing mortality.
Okay, then explain why Arwen goes from being extremely healthy in Book 1 (when Arwen gives him the relic), to nearly dying in Book 3.
Not to mention Galadriel had her own that she could have given Aragorn during the Fellowship's departure from Lothlorien (Book 1) - yet didn't because Aragorn had his own. If Galadriel KNEW it had no power, why keep it?
Obviously SOMETHING kept the Elves in Middle Earth alive for so long, just like Phantom pretty much came out of that time stasis UNHARMED (though from the tutorial video, it FEELS as if Phantom wasn't frozen at all).
However, I do believe your theory to an extent when you look at the way the curse affected Mercedes. Athena Pierce wasn't with her at the time, and my guess is that the curse affects all living organisms as well (although Mercedes' role as sovereign of the Elves would make it more severe in her case). However, this doesn't explain how Aran didn't affect anyone near him when that curse activated on him.
Another inconsistency is how Afrien is apparently ALIVE and well in Evan's story, yet Freud isn't. Evan's story needs a revamp badly to explain that one (since the story factors that Mercedes doesn't exist at all, yet clearly she does, as referenced by how said scene was retconned in Mercedes' intro).
One other inconsistency is that, given the curse's power, if used at the same power level as the one used on Aran, it should've had a snowfall in Elluel. Yet Rien is the only one affected by eternal winter. Odd, that.
Look at it this way; if the curse has weakened far enough to unlock three of the five original heroes (Freud being dead and Pirate Legend "L" having an unknown fate from here on out), then it would suffice to say that even under Rien's special barrier, the sun could still get through enough to melt all the ice - thus returning Rien to its former state.
Without explaining the inconsistencies via a revamp and second retcon to factor new lore into the equation, the previous heroes' stories have some giant gaping holes which make it hard to tell a story.
Phantom - kimicatdemon - 2011-12-28
>Pirate legend "L"
You do know that Kyrin's father Testonen was the original pirate hero, right? Even in Mercedes storyline, Athena mentions Kyrin looking for the Black Mage for revenge, as well as Yuris in Ellin forest being confirmed for Kyrin's mother, so I don't think that has changed.
Phantom - Corazon - 2011-12-29
kimicatdemon Wrote:>Pirate legend "L"
You do know that Kyrin's father Testonen was the original pirate hero, right? Even in Mercedes storyline, Athena mentions Kyrin looking for the Black Mage for revenge, as well as Yuris in Ellin forest being confirmed for Kyrin's mother, so I don't think that has changed.
Then the question remains: What is Testonen's first name? If they're going with the "Letters of MAPLE" theory, then it's QUITE obvious that Kyrin's LAST name would be the same. Meaning Testonen is the surname, which means he HAS a first name. Question is though, what name would keep within the "Letters of MAPLE" theory?
One I might suggest, though is not true until confirmed by Nexon: Leif. If you think about it, the Pirate NPCs prior to the Black Wings saga's debut all had Scandinavian names (Vikin in Lith Harbor, for example). This COULD mean that Leif would be the Pirate Hero's first name.
Another theory is that Testonen might be his nickname or middle name, in which case, same theory still applies.
Thus, by following my theorized name, and that of the "Letters of MAPLE" theory, we get this:
Mercedes
Aran
Phantom
Leif
Evan
Of course, this is not true.... yet. Let's wait and see before we go calling off theory as fact.
EDIT - I just realized that Magnus could be the General that debuts with the Pirate Hero, in much the same way that Hilla debuted with Phantom. Think about it: almost every big patch featuring a new hero has featured a Black Wings Commander (though not necessarily together or in the same arc/promo).
In the Legends patch series, it was Mercedes and Arkarium (although the latter appeared with Demon Slayer, as opposed to Mercedes - however, it WAS the last patch in the series)
In the Justice patch series, Phantom was the second patch in (Hero Patch), and the last patch will have Hilla and Aswan as an area/boss combo (Commander Patch).
I'm starting to see a pattern here. If that's true, then the final patch series will more than likely see the former heroes get revamped (Revamp Patch), followed by the Pirate Legend (Hero Patch) and then Magnus debuting as a boss with his own area (Commander Patch).
This still leaves Guwar out of the picture, but again, don't take my word as fact until we hear official sources state so.
Phantom - kimicatdemon - 2011-12-29
Corazon Wrote:Then the question remains: What is Testonen's first name? If they're going with the "Letters of MAPLE" theory, then it's QUITE obvious that Kyrin's LAST name would be the same. Meaning Testonen is the surname, which means he HAS a first name. Question is though, what name would keep within the "Letters of MAPLE" theory?I'm gonna go ahead and stick with we'll have a second successor so Evan isn't alone in that area. Her father can still be around, just unable to fight. he didn't use an actual weapon, so if his body got damaged, he's pretty much out.
One I might suggest, though is not true until confirmed by Nexon: Leif. If you think about it, the Pirate NPCs prior to the Black Wings saga's debut all had Scandinavian names (Vikin in Lith Harbor, for example). This COULD mean that Leif would be the Pirate Hero's first name.
Another theory is that Testonen might be his nickname or middle name, in which case, same theory still applies.
Thus, by following my theorized name, and that of the "Letters of MAPLE" theory, we get this:
Mercedes
Aran
Phantom
Leif
Evan
Of course, this is not true.... yet. Let's wait and see before we go calling off theory as fact.
Phantom - Baklava - 2011-12-29
Corazon Wrote:Another inconsistency is how Afrien is apparently ALIVE and well in Evan's story, yet Freud isn't. Evan's story needs a revamp badly to explain that one (since the story factors that Mercedes doesn't exist at all, yet clearly she does, as referenced by how said scene was retconned in Mercedes' intro).
One other inconsistency is that, given the curse's power, if used at the same power level as the one used on Aran, it should've had a snowfall in Elluel. Yet Rien is the only one affected by eternal winter. Odd, that.
Afrien is alive because onyx dragon.
Rien is a little piece of Leafre that broke off and floated away to very cold place. Eventually people settled on it and passed down the story of Aran with its people.
I do agree that Aran and Evan could use a more current story, because their story pretty outdated with the current continuity.
We know barely anything about Aran's and Freed's pasts right now.
Also, adventurers need a story.
Phantom - iamflip - 2011-12-29
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Phantom - Kubi - 2011-12-29
This might be odd and may have been stated before... But it's not just me that this new class seems to be mostly based off this would it? Besides a few differences, they sort of resemble each other.
Phantom - Luxeraph - 2011-12-29
Baklava Wrote:Also, adventurers need a story.No.
Phantom - Liteness - 2011-12-29
Mercedes
Aran
Phantom
Luffy
Evan
HAHA!
Phantom - Baklava - 2011-12-29
Luxeraph Wrote:No.
Oh wow, opinions.
Phantom - Coogi - 2011-12-29
Luxeraph Wrote:No.
Please? =/
Phantom - Eliseo - 2011-12-29
Baklava Wrote:Afrien is alive because onyx dragon.
Rien is a little piece of Leafre that broke off and floated away to very cold place. Eventually people settled on it and passed down the story of Aran with its people.
I do agree that Aran and Evan could use a more current story, because their story pretty outdated with the current continuity.
We know barely anything about Aran's and Freed's pasts right now.
Also, adventurers need a story.
I like adventurers without storyline, maybe a quest that involves each class to the commanders fights, but nothing more.
Afrien is alive because he took the curse while Freud sealed the Black Mage.
As my understanding of the how it went, they all fought together, realized they couldn't defeat him, so decided to seal the Black Mage. Leave the most powerful mage to do sowhile the other heroes fought (Afrien fighting with them).
Freud uses the spell which costs him his life, but Afrien is sealed with the other 4 heroes, leaving him alive but unable to move or do anything, since his soul-mate died.
I'm hoping they will release a video on Aran and Evan, since it seems weird for all the other legends to get one.
Phantom - Luxeraph - 2011-12-29
Coogi Wrote:Please? =/Too lazy to quote the over 20 times people have made it clear why adventures will never and should never get a storyline.
But IMO is mainly that they don't have anything against the black mage, in other words because you're born human and crime is our main enemy are you forced to become a policeman?
While resistance, CK and heroes are more like batman.
Phantom - Viaje - 2011-12-29
Corazon Wrote:Okay, then explain why Arwen goes from being extremely healthy in Book 1 (when Arwen gives him the relic), to nearly dying in Book 3.Lulz. She doesn't give him a relic in the books that you clearly didn't read which is why you're in this situation in the first place.
Why doesn't she give it? Because it doesn't exist in the books.
Corazon Wrote:Not to mention Galadriel had her own that she could have given Aragorn during the Fellowship's departure from Lothlorien (Book 1) - yet didn't because Aragorn had his own. If Galadriel KNEW it had no power, why keep it?If Galadriel knew it had no power, why give it?
Epic logic!
Corazon Wrote:Obviously SOMETHING kept the Elves in Middle Earth alive for so long,They're immortal by their very nature. That's what keeps them alive for so long.
Read the Silmarillion. Or, you know, the actual LotR books.
Corazon Wrote:However, this doesn't explain how Aran didn't affect anyone near him when that curse activated on him.Seems to me you answered your own question.
Ellul, and everything in it, was tied to Mercedes' power.
So, when she was cursed, her kingdom was cursed.
Actually, it's stated specifically in Mercedes' quests that the curse's will wain as her power is restored.
Aran wasn't a ruler and didn't have such a magical link to his people.
Corazon Wrote:Another inconsistency is how Afrien is apparently ALIVE and well in Evan's story, yet Freud isn't. Evan's story needs a revamp badly to explain that one (since the story factors that Mercedes doesn't exist at all, yet clearly she does, as referenced by how said scene was retconned in Mercedes' intro).What "story" are you talking about?
Afrien was never killed in the past; Freud was.
And I also see no where where Mercedes should appear but doesn't.
Corazon Wrote:Without explaining the inconsistencies via a revamp and second retcon to factor new lore into the equation, the previous heroes' stories have some giant gaping holes which make it hard to tell a story.There is no need for any retcons. From what I see, everything is consistent, plot-wise.
The only inconsistency is that every new Hero has had a more fleshed-out story than the previous due to the way the story is being developed.
Baklava Wrote:Also, adventurers need a story.No.
Giving Adventurers a story would mean they would no longer be true to their names.
They aren't meant to have a predetermined story.
They aren't meant to have a destiny.
They're meant to be what we want them to be.
Corazon Wrote:Then the question remains: What is Testonen's first name? If they're going with the "Letters of MAPLE" theory, then it's QUITE obvious that Kyrin's LAST name would be the same. Meaning Testonen is the surname, which means he HAS a first name. Question is though, what name would keep within the "Letters of MAPLE" theory?I've actually suggested this theory before.
The only issue is it relies on Testonen being alive despite being reported dead.
Phantom - Elven Emily - 2011-12-29
Just reserved my Phantom name in GMS.
Cya in July ElliePhantom! I almost went with PhanEllie or ElliePhant, but ElliePhant sounds like Elephant, so...
Phantom - ChosenFruit - 2011-12-29
Viaje Wrote:There is no need for any retcons. From what I see, everything is consistent, plot-wise.
The only inconsistency is that every new Hero has had a more fleshed-out story than the previous due to the way the story is being developed.
Aran's story needs a bit of fixing though =S
Last time I went through it, I remember Lilin going on about how each of the heroes had a magical talking weapon(or something of the sort), but it seems they've decided that that's only true for Aran.
Also at the very least, the little cutscene thing that talks about the Black Mage and the 5 heroes should be redone to show a more correct image of what each of the heroes looked like.
@Below: Maybe she didn't exactly say talking weapons, that's how my brain remembers it though, I'd have to go back and look.
It's right near the beginning, when she's trying to help you figure out which of the heroes you are.
Phantom - Viaje - 2011-12-29
ChosenFruit Wrote:Aran's story needs a bit of fixing though =SI don't remember the part about the talking weapons.
Last time I went through it, I remember Lilin going on about how each of the heroes had a magical talking weapon(or something of the sort), but it seems they've decided that that's only true for Aran.
Also at the very least, the little cutscene thing that talks about the Black Mage and the 5 heroes should be redone to show a more correct image of what each of the heroes looked like.
The cut scene could be updated though it's not terribly important. It's just meant to show off Aran anyway.
Then again, it would be cooler if they just updated Aran's entire intro to include the other Heroes in some fashion.
Phantom - Baklava - 2011-12-29
Wow I don't mean a per-determined story like with the Legends and stuff, I just mean some sort of interaction with the other groups of characters.
It just seems stupid that they're walking around the world with all this stuff going on without even being remotely interested in anything but grinding and leveling until they're dead.
At any rate, Ultimate Adventurers are meant to be a reborn Cygnus with enhanced power to carry out the Cygnus mission.