Viaje Wrote:Did I break up the "HEY GUIZE! LISTEN TO MY FANFIC!" parade?
I'd apologize if I gave a pomegranate.

All you ever seek to do is ruin someone's fun. That's all I know. It's why that announcement that Rick made was targetted at you.


I'm interested in facts.

When you know no facts, you guess. That's the whole part of storytelling; when you don't know what'll occur, you try to envision what you think might occur, and when you find out the FACTS, then you get surprised, saying "Oh I totally didn't expect this to happen!". But that's not you - only story you care about is Masteria.

lulzwut? When have I ever said or implied either of those things?

Your attitude towards me and this thread says it all.


lulzwut? I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

My responses have nothing to do with personal ego; they're a verbalization of my low tolerance for bullpomegranate.

What you declare bullcrap may not be what I declare bullcrap.

You vastly overevaluate your affect on my mood. Nothing you've said has or possibly could piss me off.

Now how about you stay on topic instead of making yourself look like a child who doesn't like being corrected?

Gladly. I'll return to speculating and guessing on a story where I don't know all the details.

Corazon Wrote:But storyline is what makes MapleStory a real "STORY". After all, if we went back to the days of post-Beta Official release, where everything was grind central, I'dve quit long ago.

Now that Maple is developing a story, you can bet your ass I'm gonna speculate and wonder about it, like someone reading a giant book series, wondering what'll come next.

This is the whole point of what cliffhangers are supposed to do; when you don't know enough about the story, you speculate what might happen.

EDIT - @Viaje How do we know Freed wasn't struggling with that egg during the time he carried it? He could've died on the spot when he got back to Afrien (most likely due to exhaustion).

Eliseo Wrote:After you save Afrien, he speaks of the past. You get teleported to the moment where the final battle was about to be fought. And Afrien speaks of what happened later. I believe it's the level 70 quest. But he does say it.

Viaje Wrote:And what makes it have anything to do with "MAPLE"?
Don't try to make sense of a nonsensical title.

If I could edit the title, I would. But that's now impossible to do, since I've no power to edit thread titles. And nor do you.

Again, there is a difference between speculating and just plain making pomegranate up. When you do the latter, you don't get to advertise it as fact.

Where did I advertise this crap as fact? Tell me where I advertised this as fact? I said in many parts of my post that I wasn't sure on some details? And for the record, I prefer to have an imaginative mind; it breeds creativity, something that you seem to lack.

You said nothing new about Freud while simultaneously failing to address how a mortally wounded person could make such a trip.

For a moment there, you got Freud mixed up with Afrien. Afrien's the Dragon, Freud's the Wizard here.

Corazon Wrote:All you ever seek to do is ruin someone's fun. That's all I know. It's why that announcement that Rick made was targetted at you.

Corazon Wrote:When you know no facts, you guess. That's the whole part of storytelling; when you don't know what'll occur, you try to envision what you think might occur, and when you find out the FACTS, then you get surprised, saying "Oh I totally didn't expect this to happen!". But that's not you - only story you care about is Masteria.

Corazon Wrote:Your attitude towards me and this thread says it all.

Corazon Wrote:What you declare bullcrap may not be what I declare bullcrap.

Corazon Wrote:Gladly. I'll return to speculating and guessing on a story where I don't know all the details.

Corazon Wrote:If I could edit the title, I would. But that's now impossible to do, since I've no power to edit thread titles. And nor do you.

Corazon Wrote:Where did I advertise this crap as fact? Tell me where I advertised this as fact? I said in many parts of my post that I wasn't sure on some details? And for the record, I prefer to have an imaginative mind; it breeds creativity, something that you seem to lack.

Viaje Wrote:I have no idea what the pineapple you're talking about.


Or you wait.

Once again, you manage to confuse me as to where you're getting these "facts" about me. I don't really give a pomegranateabout Masteria's story.


My 'attitude' screams "DEATH TO NEXON! LONG LIVE BLIZZARD!"?
That's so stupid that I can barely comprehend


Clearly, since you just make pomegranate up or parrot what other people have made up and state it as fact.
Still waiting to have that Reverse/Pink Bean/HT Pendant nonsense explained.


And I'll continue pointing out where you're making pomegranate up with no factual basis.


Relevance?


Yes, in parts you made disclaimers that you weren't sure, but the majority of your nonsense has been posted with no such disclaimer. In other words, it was presented as fact.

Corazon Wrote:Every version thus far is referring to him as the penultimate evil badguy, since Naricain does not exist in any other version save ours, and technically, Masteria's somewhat dead.
I've never seen him referred to as penultimate. You do know what penultimate means, right? It's second-to-last. He's always the biggest badguy.

Therein lies the catch. In every single instance, he's male. And in a prior post, I've accepted the fact that Aran is male canonically. Sorry, I didn't see that. It took me a while to write out that little novel.

True, but technically, if Orca's objective was to kill, then this messes up the whole concept of the fight. And I explicitly stated that if it was a "WAR", which your reaction assumed I meant fights in general. In a war, when you fight, sometimes you fight to protect, other times you fight to kill. Mercedes was fighting to protect; Orca was fighting to kill. I consider it a win for Mercedes in what she was doing, but a draw on the "kill" part, since Mercedes could've killed Orca if she truly wanted to. But she let Orca escape; thus it's a draw. And again, both of their fight objectives conflict.
I'm fairly certain that Orca escaped without Mercedes letting her. A lot of the time, you can defeat someone and they can manage to escape, and there's nothing you can do about it. Orca could have escaped into somewhere that only she knew about, or could have simply vanished. And what viaje says is true, if we go by what you're saying, then only a very small portion of wars have been "won" (and some have been "won" by the side that most people would consider to have lost).
I didn't know whether either of those names were true. Thanks for confirming they were not. But it still doesn't change the fact that a Thief and Pirate legend exists.
...did I say that they didn't?
True. But light is very hard to turn to darkness. Where there is light there is also darkness. Mikhail's loyalty was most likely the very flaw that led him to his downfall.
All of the Knights have to be very loyal, and they all went along with Empress Cygnus to the world tree (in the door to the future, which was actually revealed to be a dream).
Then why does Orca have so much bunny apparel? Why are a majority of Orca's squadron rabbit anthromorphs? Akyrum's legion is serpent based, as he wields serpent based powers, so it only makes sense for him to have snake anthromorphs. Eleanor's squad uses what's around them (i.e. Francis controlling the common monsters; Baroq disguising as Maple NPCs). It would make sense for each "branch" of the Black Wings to have a theme to them - hence why Von Leon's got a more medieval theme to his troops.
Let's see where all the Bunny-related monsters are in maple world that aren't related to a specific job...
Ludibrium- 1
Korean Folk Town- 1
Ariant- 2
Chryse- 2
And when we count monsters that are job-related:
Edelstein- 3
Ludibrium- 1
Korean Folk Town- 1
Ariant- 2
Chryse- 2
Yup. I thought so. It's not about Orca, it's about Edelstein in general, specifically that the place is controlled by black wings (not specifically General Orca, whom I would think we would have heard mentioned in the resistance storyline), and the Black Wings use rabbits as their foot soldiers. Each squad member may have a certain affinity, but that places no control over where they're from. If what you say is true, where would you have Akyrum be from? That place... with all the snakes... that doesn't exist...?

Eliseo Wrote:So, well, let me get this straight. The Black Mage and his underlings likes bunnies? This is by far the most interesting theory I have heard of.

Quote:I've never seen him referred to as penultimate. You do know what penultimate means, right? It's second-to-last. He's always the biggest badguy.

I had a vocabulary flop there. My apologies. Still doesn't change the fact that Asmodius fits his status as the ultimate evil of MapleStory. Maybe Morpheus might fit better, but that'd be copying Matrix. And I sure as heck don't want another Voldemort clone.

Sorry, I didn't see that. It took me a while to write out that little novel.

We all have our flops.

I'm fairly certain that Orca escaped without Mercedes letting her. A lot of the time, you can defeat someone and they can manage to escape, and there's nothing you can do about it. Orca could have escaped into somewhere that only she knew about, or could have simply vanished. And what viaje says is true, if we go by what you're saying, then only a very small portion of wars have been "won" (and some have been "won" by the side that most people would consider to have lost).

In battle, there is a defender and an attacker role. The way that the Mercedes VS Orca battle was portrayed skews the roles in that fight. Mercedes was invading Orca's room to get the child back, and Orca was protecting her catch; at the same time, Orca was trying to kill Mercedes over a grudge; Mercedes wanted to make sure Orca didn't kill the child. Thus, it's a role paradox.

...did I say that they didn't?

I assumed you were implying it.

All of the Knights have to be very loyal, and they all went along with Empress Cygnus to the world tree (in the door to the future, which was actually revealed to be a dream).

True, but let's say for example that Cygnus had to pick her most loyal knight to sit at the Alliance meeting - if Mikhail was picked for his loyalty and experience, that makes him as important, if not more so, than Nineheart being there (especially with Nineheart being Lilin's brother).

Let's see where all the Bunny-related monsters are in maple world that aren't related to a specific job...
Ludibrium- 1
Korean Folk Town- 1
Ariant- 2
Chryse- 2
And when we count monsters that are job-related:
Edelstein- 3
Ludibrium- 1
Korean Folk Town- 1
Ariant- 2
Chryse- 2
Yup. I thought so. It's not about Orca, it's about Edelstein in general, specifically that the place is controlled by black wings (not specifically General Orca, whom I would think we would have heard mentioned in the resistance storyline), and the Black Wings use rabbits as their foot soldiers. Each squad member may have a certain affinity, but that places no control over where they're from. If what you say is true, where would you have Akyrum be from? That place... with all the snakes... that doesn't exist...?

I was using that as a speculation root for Orca's origins, and how she came to join the Black Wings. She had to have had a reason - same with Asmodius wanting to attain immortality. In most stories, the antagonist usually has a motive that drives them towards their ultimate goal. If there was something about the Maple World he didn't like, no matter how miniscule, that creates a motive. I was speculating what Orca's interests could've been before she was a Black Wing, and where she might've come from during the Pre-Black Wings era.

Rick Wrote:Something tells me I should just start banning Viaje after every initial post he makes, because he's undoubtedly going to turn the thread in to a pomegranatestorm anyway. You guys keep going with your fun and speculation.

TheCompleteEnd Wrote:I <3 you. :'D

But on a side note. This thread is super-interesting, but for me, the fact that you named the Black Mage makes it hard to take seriously. XD Respect to your opinion, as always.

On topic: Where exactly is Sue mentioned in the game? Her name is funny. They should name someone else Mary for the heck of it.

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Raul Wrote:[Quote=Corazon]I had a vocabulary flop there. My apologies. Still doesn't change the fact that Asmodius fits his status as the ultimate evil of MapleStory. Maybe Morpheus might fit better, but that'd be copying Matrix. And I sure as heck don't want another Voldemort clone. Asmodeus (or Asmodius) is the 32nd most powerful demon in the Goetia. Morpheus is Sleep, you're getting weaker. Try something like Erebus, the Greek god of darkness and shadows. Also, I instantly thought of this:

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[video=youtube;Tx1XIm6q4r4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4[/video]

No. Just.... no. I see Black Mage as more of a Sauron/Jafar type deal. Sure his story makes him look like Voldemort, but Voldy wields a wand - Black Mage can simply conjure magic with his hands, indicating mastery beyond the point of a mere Wizard. What he had to sacrifice to get this far is probably incomprehensible to a mere mind like ours.

In battle, there is a defender and an attacker role. The way that the Mercedes VS Orca battle was portrayed skews the roles in that fight. Mercedes was invading Orca's room to get the child back, and Orca was protecting her catch; at the same time, Orca was trying to kill Mercedes over a grudge; Mercedes wanted to make sure Orca didn't kill the child. Thus, it's a role paradox.
In war, those roles change constantly. One second, you're marching on Moscow, the next, the Russians are marching on Berlin. I also don't really see how the roles are relevant.

I give up on this. I can't really explain it myself either.

I assumed you were implying it.
:f6: If I did, it was completely unintentional. The 5 heroes are inevitable, and confirmed by Nexon. (of course, so was a masteria expansion, so there you have it)
That was when Nexon had Prose on his side, and Isaac was the faithful analyst of that arc. I do believe any Masteria additions will be tweaked by kMS, but we'll get the unedited versions. That is, assuming Nexon doesn't say "We don't care about Massteria"

True, but let's say for example that Cygnus had to pick her most loyal knight to sit at the Alliance meeting - if Mikhail was picked for his loyalty and experience, that makes him as important, if not more so, than Nineheart being there (especially with Nineheart being Lilin's brother).
So Oz and Hawkeye's absences make them next-door neighbors?

I haven't played that far through any Cygnus storylines. Most of what I get is through Youtube videos or browsing other lore posts here. This is probably because there's so little quest lore that's actually do-able without a serious grind that makes me not like to go past 45.


I was using that as a speculation root for Orca's origins, and how she came to join the Black Wings. She had to have had a reason - same with Asmodius wanting to attain immortality. In most stories, the antagonist usually has a motive that drives them towards their ultimate goal. If there was something about the Maple World he didn't like, no matter how miniscule, that creates a motive. I was speculating what Orca's interests could've been before she was a Black Wing, and where she might've come from during the Pre-Black Wings era.
Or she could just really really really like bunnies. They're goddamn cute.

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Corazon Wrote:No. Just.... no. I see Black Mage as more of a Sauron/Jafar type deal. Sure his story makes him look like Voldemort, but Voldy wields a wand - Black Mage can simply conjure magic with his hands, indicating mastery beyond the point of a mere Wizard. What he had to sacrifice to get this far is probably incomprehensible to a mere mind like ours.
Voldemort isn't much limited by his wand, he's essentially powered by pure evil, just like the Black Mage. The two are actually very similar in a lot of aspects.

That was when Nexon had Prose on his side, and Isaac was the faithful analyst of that arc. I do believe any Masteria additions will be tweaked by kMS, but we'll get the unedited versions. That is, assuming Nexon doesn't say "We don't care about Massteria"
I think they basically said that when they gave us CTF.

I haven't played that far through any Cygnus storylines. Most of what I get is through Youtube videos or browsing other lore posts here. This is probably because there's so little quest lore that's actually do-able without a serious grind that makes me not like to go past 45.
I was just getting that from the Maplers Unite pictures. It's Cygnus, Neinheart, Mikhal, Irena, and Eckhart.

No. I am going to slaughter that killer rabbit. That's what I'm going to do.
I laughed for like 5 minutes solid after I posted that picture, I kid you not.

Corazon Wrote:Hiver exists in all storylines, save for the Thief and Pirate legends (whom from a source I hear are to be named Boralis and Krytus -

Dudewitbow Wrote:wasnt the Pirate Legend Kyrins Father Testonen, who left Kyrin to Athena Pierce to go fight the Black Mage? though i wouldnt know the sucessors name if the story was going to come out similar to Evans story compared to Freud