ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:IP bans are not tied to people. MAC addresses are tied to their computers, however! Provided that Blizzard uses the same method (IP + MAC Address Ban simultaneously), in order to go around the said ban, they've reduced their hacker ratio to completely minimal amounts. Why hasn't Nexon started doing what they've been doing yet?

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But, let's assume MapleStory does exactly that: Requests and sends the computer's MAC-address within a datagram right after the connection establishment with Nexon. MAC addresses are tied to interfaces. So if your MAC-address got to Nexon, you could just go from wireless to wire, because they are two different interfaces.

But, assuming they've managed to ban all your MAC-addresses, either by banning them all, or requesting all MAC-addresses to all the interfaces, then what happens? Well, you do this:

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So changing MAC-address takes tops 5 seconds.

Tykian Wrote:I seriously do not have time to go into all this. However...
1. English is not your first language. Please tell me that. Your ability to decipher my posts is terrible, at best, and you seem to constantly be looking for literals. If it is, then I highly suggest you educate yourself on the concept of a metaphor. My example of IPv6 was to try to get you to realize that you cannot fault the lie detector system, as we never had it. It may appear faulty to you. Whether or not it would have succeeded in its task or not is up to only all-knowing, all-seeing beings. You don't fall into this category.

Tykian Wrote:2. If I were to say "ShanghaiDizzy doesn't read very well", is it the same as saying "ShanghaiDizzy doesn't read my posts very well because he walks in assuming that I have the IQ of a doorknob"? No. It is not. English is all about context. I said that Nexon could not be blamed just because their software, like all others, is subject to reverse engineering.

3. I've said this before. Learn to read between the lines. Must I spell out everything to get a point across? pineapple I hope not, I type with 3-4 fingers at most good sir, and can barely manage 90wpm. If I have to sit here and type all of my thoughts out in precise detail, I could be here all month.

Tykian Wrote:4. I will not argue with you that Maple Story is a f2p game. Lay out all the arguments you want, I don't even need to read them. In the end, you are wrong. I have made a total of 27 characters that were not mules throughout my time here. At least 20 of them never had a shred of Nexon Cash. If you "need" to spend money on this game to play/enjoy/succeed, so be it. However, not all of us are struck by such... inadequacies. Sure, you may not care whether or not I did. However, it kind of destroys your entire rant. Should you expect better service because you do? pineapple no you shouldn't.

Tykian Wrote:5. I hope one day you work for a gaming company such as Nexon, so that when you see huge profit margins, and are rolling in the dough, that you can look back and say: "Hot damn, I sure am glad that I took my family on vacation with my pay rise, rather than wasting valuable resources trying to manage a problem that we cannot overcome".

In the end, I'm just trying to get across that Nexon cannot shoulder the blame for what people completely out of their control do with their time, and that Nexon is doing whats best for business, as in the end, thats what this is all about. Business.

I apologize if I seem rude, but this same old whining about Nexon conducting a damn good business is getting... well... old? I'm not saying what Nexon's doing is moral, but you better believe if I ran Nexon I wouldn't be trying to make each of you happier. I would spend as little as possible to offer the game I'm offering, nothing more, nothing less.

Tykian Wrote:OH WOW. Where to begin. Dizzy if I still had long hair you would have me ripping it out of my skull.

1. Unless I've forgotten, a metaphor is used to describe something similar, in a symbolic kind of way. Well, technically, saying that IPv6 is faulty in America would be the same argument you're putting forward. The lie detector system may be faulty, but we never had it, so it you really can't fault Nexon for that. If some of the system ended up in game via Nexon's horrible copypasta, fine, but it's hardly a faulty system. Also, if we had it before, then when I asked you if we ever had it to begin with, why did you say no?

Oh, and please, don't ever get the idea that I care whether I insult someone. Especially when they've insulted my intelligence prior.

2. Tykian is currently going through Marijuana withdrawal. It sucks, it's unpleasant, and it makes it really REALLY hard to focus. However, as I go back and read my posts prior, I have no trouble understanding what I meant. Furthermore. I didn't first say: "Nexon is not at fault" and so on. I said the same thing from the beginning, your failure to grasp that is hardly any contradiction on my part. Read my first post again. Get to the part you made bold earlier. Now bold the sentence in front of it as well and read. Thoughts are not split by sentence, generally they are split by paragraph.

3. Whether or not I read them makes no difference. The free2play platform has always functioned by not forcing you to pay anything to play, though generally if you want the full game experience, you may need to spend some cash. This is true of all f2p games. My individual experiences are simply proof that it can be played free. Whether or not the general populous chooses to spend money on this game is none of my concern, and certainly doesn't change the platform that the game falls under. Also, yes, I am definitely saying there is nothing wrong with a F2P game company making more revenue than Blizzard. In fact, Blizzard could learn a thing or two about profit from Nexon. Admittedly, theres a LOT Nexon could learn from Blizzard.

(I am not having difficulty grasping why your point of view would see MapleStory as P2P, that still doesn't make it right. Our difference comes down to the fact that I have little regard for other people, so I tend to think about them less than you likely do.)

4th, and final point would be this. Why operate on the same scale as Blizzard? Work harder, earn less? For what? A reputation. Well pomegranate, Nexon has a terrible reputation. Hasn't hurt them.

KhainiWest Wrote:It's really ironic that you're trying to talk down to her when you're the one who sounds like a retard.

Just sayin.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:For that matter, I play $0 a month on this game as well. Yet, I can grasp this concept of MapleStory not being a F2P game because I think general as opposed to individual. Why is it so difficult?

Quote:Hey Everyone,

As we come upon our 4th anniversary of exploring the Maple World, we'd like to say a few words about our journey together thus far.



First, Thank You.

We do not say this as often as we should. Our game would not and cannot exist without you. From Ossyria to Ariant, from Masteria to Leafre, you have met friends and gone on countless adventures with us, to discover our world. We witnessed you complete your first quest in Maple Island and seen you grow to defeat bosses from Mushmom and Crimson Balrogs to the likes of Zakum and Horntail. There is no game without players, and we are happy you chose us. We can proudly say that our players are the heart and soul of MapleStory.



However, we haven't been the best in communicating with you and making sure you are satisfied in-game, as well as out of game, and we apologize. Even though many of you have felt we've let you down, you have been loyal to us.



Now, it's our turn. We've started to make significant changes to improve the MapleStory experience for everyone.



Let's start with the scourge of our game, hacking. Hackers are making a mess of our game. We are going to use every technical and legal means to fight against those who use them and sell them. It's us against them, and with your help, we will turn the tide. We've hired additional staff to patrol the servers around the clock, and encourage you to stay tuned for details on our Volunteer Deputy program planned for launch in the next few months. Those of you who expressed a desire to help will get your chance. One of our strongest weapons against this corruption is the ability of you, the community, to stand up and speak out.



We also ask you to help us in the fight against private servers. We know that many of you have been curious to try them, but we implore you to boycott them. Private servers infringe upon our intellectual property and greatly diminish our ability to generate funds necessary to keep MapleStory a free service for everyone. Often, they compromise your account security. If you know of a private server, we ask you to 1) boycott it and 2) report it to our customer service. We will do our utmost over the coming months to deliver to you the best service possible which includes even better updates and events.



As for Customer Service, we know that it has not been perfect. We have hired additional staff here as well, and you will see a change for the better. We are doing our best to answer the daily influx of tickets, and ask that you understand that there are thousands of tickets and millions of players. We will do our best to address your issues, and will continue our improvement within the coming months.



Many of you expressed satisfaction with the last few game updates, yet were frustrated about some bugs. In the future, for certain updates, we will bring up Tespia and let some of you girls and guys loose. Those who have a knack for finding and reporting valid bugs will be invited back to help us improve the game. Content-wise, we have the biggest updates coming through the rest of the year. We're talking HUGE. Every level from 1-200 will have new experiences to share, and new challenges to conquer. If you thought the last update was big, wait till you see what's coming.



We know that some of you will doubt our sincerity. Truthfully, we understand, but we will work to show you that our actions speak louder than words. We want to make our game the best in the world, and can only do so with your help. Once again, thank you for choosing your game, MapleStory.



Sincerely,



NxDanimal(CEO), Stoveboy, NxOinkers, NxProse, NxEm0V1a, NxRockstar, NxPepe, NxJoeW, Hime, NxDefender (legal), and the rest of the Nexon family.

Viaje Wrote:Just agreein.

But, really, what's more fun then seeing an addict be condescending towards a polyglot with a solid argument?

On that note:

To expand on this, the reader has to be fully conscious of the fake that, though payment is completely optional, Maplestory (and, indeed, Nexon as an entity) would not be profitable (or still in existence) without all of the micro-transactions that thousands of players make every day.

If its games were truly F2P, then they could continue to operate without NX.
Fact is, they couldn't.

KhainiWest Wrote:It's really ironic that you're trying to talk down to her when you're the one who sounds like a retard.

Just sayin.

Tykian Wrote:I was quite excited when I saw you had replied, as I could tell exactly how you'd react. You see, I've been reading your posts, and you tend to argue for the sake of trying to be right, much like myself. The difference, you do a REALLY poor job of it, while I'm simply preaching to the wrong crowd. Also, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't jump to the conclusion that I'm an addict. An addict is someone who cannot stop doing "something"(can be nearly anything), they are physically incapable of doing so. I am going through withdrawal because I have decided to take a break from smoking, but don't EVER delude yourself that I am addicted, lest I would not be able to quit simply so I can "take a break".

Lastly, I know this is going to shock you to hell and back but... there isn't a single F2P game that can survive without alternate funding or microtransactions. Servers cost money, employee's cost money, and if you can run your game server out of your own pocket, odds are your game isn't worth running to begin with



Wow! You're right! How could I have missed such a solid argument? Why of course I'm retarded! I love how you assume that you know what I'm trying to do. If I was talking down to her, to the fullest of my ability, I would have been banned hours ago. Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, you Southperricans(I believe thats the term you use) are so blind in your hatred of Nexon that you'd back anyone against them to the teeth?

RIPGobies Wrote:Here's Nexon's open letter two years ago:

http://maplestory.nexon.net/News/News.aspx?PART=/News/View&boardNo=100&contentNo=005As&pageIndex=1



They haven't lived up to their promises. And they've made it quite clear that their GM's care and are more active playing other exclusive games created by Nexon America. Fact is, they don't really care much about Maple Story, it's been that way for years now. The only ones who were passionate about the game were Prose and Joe and they don't work for that company anymore.

Nexon America get the patches from Korea and translate it to english and publish it to public. and they only show up in game when they hear complaints about meso exploits or any other exploit that can have a MAJOR negative effect on the game economy. They have no idea how much hackers make botting in various mobs, selling stacks of Potential 70% scrolls and Chaos Scrolls dropped from those mobs, or Piece of Time. Let's not forget the mastery books that are worth alot like Blast 20 and etc.

Hacking is already accepted by Nexon, they're fine with it now and at the rate we're in it will be the only way to play this game. Had they care about hackers, we would not be seeing Battle Mages soloing Pink Bean or people duoing Pink Bean claiming they're legit when it's painfully obvious they erased the statues to buy them time.

If you want to play a clean version of this game, find yourself a KSSN and get to KMS. But GMS has no hope until Nexon starts caring about Maple Story again.

Tykian Wrote:OH WOW. Where to begin. Dizzy if I still had long hair you would have me ripping it out of my skull.

Tykian Wrote:1. Unless I've forgotten, a metaphor is used to describe something similar, in a symbolic kind of way. Well, technically, saying that IPv6 is faulty in America would be the same argument you're putting forward. The lie detector system may be faulty, but we never had it, so it you really can't fault Nexon for that. If some of the system ended up in game via Nexon's horrible copypasta, fine, but it's hardly a faulty system. Also, if we had it before, then when I asked you if we ever had it to begin with, why did you say no?

Tykian Wrote:2. Tykian is currently going through Marijuana withdrawal. It sucks, it's unpleasant, and it makes it really REALLY hard to focus. However, as I go back and read my posts prior, I have no trouble understanding what I meant. Furthermore. I didn't first say: "Nexon is not at fault" and so on. I said the same thing from the beginning, your failure to grasp that is hardly any contradiction on my part. Read my first post again. Get to the part you made bold earlier. Now bold the sentence in front of it as well and read. Thoughts are not split by sentence, generally they are split by paragraph.

Tykian Wrote:3. Whether or not I read them makes no difference. The free2play platform has always functioned by not forcing you to pay anything to play, though generally if you want the full game experience, you may need to spend some cash. This is true of all f2p games. My individual experiences are simply proof that it can be played free. Whether or not the general populous chooses to spend money on this game is none of my concern, and certainly doesn't change the platform that the game falls under. Also, yes, I am definitely saying there is nothing wrong with a F2P game company making more revenue than Blizzard. In fact, Blizzard could learn a thing or two about profit from Nexon. Admittedly, theres a LOT Nexon could learn from Blizzard.

Tykian Wrote:(I am not having difficulty grasping why your point of view would see MapleStory as P2P, that still doesn't make it right. Our difference comes down to the fact that I have little regard for other people, so I tend to think about them less than you likely do.)

Tykian Wrote:4th, and final point would be this. Why operate on the same scale as Blizzard? Work harder, earn less? For what? A reputation. Well pomegranate, Nexon has a terrible reputation. Hasn't hurt them.

Shidoshi Wrote:It's impossible for nexon to care less about the game that makes the most money, they could care even less about the other games, but MS is still their cash cow.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:I don't know what kind of image you perceived of me, but I'm hardly the brute you made me to be in your imagination.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:We had the lie detector. I provided PROOF of its existence in GMS. Plus, you were never questioning the existence of it, you asked if it worked. I don't know why you changed your initial question (to something that I didn't answer to), but here, I'll post the snip to help refresh your memory.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:I'm still reading the same message here. You've still said Nexon isn't at fault.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:Actually, no, it does make a large difference. I've provided you an active example of how a FREE to play game company generates more revenues percentage-wise than a PAY to play game company. While yes, your individual game experiences (and mine as well) did not entail you to spend money on the game, you have to realize that we are the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. F2P games should not require players the need or require players to feel the need to spend money. MapleStory does exactly the latter, produces for the majority of its players the feeling to spend money and acquire NX.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:Blizzard having less percentile revenue is not a fault. In fact, it's a very GOOD thing. This is one of the most fundamental ideas you learn in any finance class. Companies with large profit margins and too much liquidity (like Nexon) aren't making the most out of their funding. I'm going to be under the assumption you've never worked in or for a corporation before (judging by the statement you've made a few posts back about how Nexon staff members are enjoying their vacation with the excess revenue they've earned). Sorry to break your bubble, but that's not how excess revenue is handled. Instead, it just sits there as useless assets. This goes back to the fundamental ideas I've mentioned earlier. To many investors looking at a business's structure, high liquidity at the end of a term triggers a red flag. To them, this asks the question, "Why isn't this company investing, researching, or attempting to expand the company more?" High retained revenues in a company at the end of a term, quarter, period, etc. is often a sign that a company has stagnant growth and is doing very little to maximize their own potential. Sound familiar? That's right, it sounds like Nexon.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:Wrong. Nexon doesn't work harder. It's a corporation. Corporations aren't working units. Their staff members may be. However, this doesn't mean they have to work harder either. By simply hiring more people (GM's, customer service, debuggers, maintenance administrators, etc) this would actually ease out their work load in the long run to run the stream a whole lot more smoothly. Remember what I said, excess revenue generated does not get split into payments towards the individual employees (although gosh darn it it'd be a dream come true).

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:You did hit a nail on the head for reputation though. I won't dispute this. A company's reputation is an asset. In fact, for some companies, it determines a large percentage of its assets. However, reputation probably isn't what you perceive of it in the economic aspect of this argument so I'm going to make a call and say you got lucky on that one. But what you didn't hit the nail on the head on is that by not spending funds, Nexon hasn't hurt themselves. By not spending their earnings on improving the company, corporations falter and go extinct.

Tykian Wrote:^Seconded. Clearly not the problem here.



Sad thing is, most of them will pay anyway, the increase in profit simply doesn't make it worth it.



And after all the rants, including my own, we arrive at the real problem.

Kalovale Wrote:How do you KNOW the profit surplus is not worth it? How much is it? How does it make sense for Nexon, being a business, to be indifferent towards good business practices?

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to edit.

Tykian Wrote:Well, honestly, knowing Nexon as I do, they thrive on taking the easy way to good profits. Their cash shop release history speaks to that. What everyone seems to be missing in this thread is that Nexon is STILL making huuuuge revenues. Why fix what isn't broken?

Edit: Also, just thought I'd point out that we've pretty much become accustom to Nexon being indifferent towards good business practice of ANY kind.

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Kalovale Wrote:I was not referring to "good" business practices, rather those that breed money.

We have grown so used to this fact:

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but have we ever wondered why?