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Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - FenixR - 2011-02-13
Zenkat Wrote:Excuse me?
Reseting from a 80 Base dex its just Damage Hoarding. You were so damaging hoarding in the process that you failed to notice that you could have saved some money reseting to a 23 Dex base because thats what you are gonna be like in lvl 200 (999str 23dex)
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Locked - 2011-02-13
dante9898 Wrote:Reseting from a 80 Base dex its just Damage Hoarding. You were so damaging hoarding in the process that you failed to notice that you could have saved some money reseting to a 23 Dex base because thats what you are gonna be like in lvl 200 (999str 23dex)
19 points into HP?
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - FenixR - 2011-02-13
Locked Wrote:19 points into HP?
Thats what HP washing is for >.>. And even so those 19 point in dex gives you a little increase in Damage.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - WillDaSnail - 2011-02-13
dante9898 Wrote:Reseting from a 80 Base dex its just Damage Hoarding. You were so damaging hoarding in the process that you failed to notice that you could have saved some money reseting to a 23 Dex base because thats what you are gonna be like in lvl 200 (999str 23dex)
Okay listen, you're not understanding what "Damage Hoar" is.
"Damage Hoar" is going beyond reducing your secondary stats (if possible) to 4 and maximizing your primary stat. Damage hoars want to get perfectly scrolled weapons/equips, aim for perfect potential equips (3 lines/good unique stats), and spend a LOT of time and NX (money) to do whatever they can to show that they're better than others (think e-penor flaunting). They are never satisfied until they get everything perfect. And possibly go do something to satisfy their "beastliness". (Ex: Ksing someone's boss to show that they can kill much faster than 187916212 people that are higher than him in levels)
Plus, leaving your secondary status at a minimum gives a benefit: killing monsters faster. That's not damage hoaring. That's just being efficient. Plus nowadays, its quite easy to get your needed secondary stats through equips (exception is expensive, high-stats items such as CZak Helm and CHTP)
Your statement implies that keeping secondary stats to the lowest possible = damage hoar by default. Good luck calling 8272387023702 people damage hoars (you can include me if you want, but I'm simply a casual player improving whenever I can, being satisfied with what I have - even if I don't have good equips - and being thankful for it). I wonder if people are going to take you seriously, lol
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Treggify - 2011-02-13
Damage hoaring has nothing to do with trying to get good equips. Everyone wants good equips.
Damage hoaring is showing off your damage and making a character for it's damage rather than for fun.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - FenixR - 2011-02-13
Sorry i can't call Reseting from 80 base dex to 4 base dex efficient. Reseting to 23 should have been enough, no reason to go to extremes when you are gonna end up with those point anyway. Yes i won't call it Damage hoarding but Its not pineappleing efficient either.
Also if spending what? $ worth of 76 Ap reset, for getting good damage to flaunt to other people then i don't know what it is.
Also 2: No matter how strong you are when you 1hit everyshit in your way but still want to get more strengh for "Training" then its highly ineficient unless you are bossing.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - WillDaSnail - 2011-02-13
Treggify Wrote:Damage hoaring has nothing to do with trying to get good equips. Everyone wants good equips.
Damage hoaring is showing off your damage and making a character for it's damage rather than for fun.
Thank you Captain Obvious; not to be a jerk but that was what I just mentioned. >_>
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - FenixR - 2011-02-13
WillDaSnail Wrote:Thank you Captain Obvious; not to be a jerk but that was what I just mentioned. >_>
If you are making a Character for fun why the pineapple are people concerned about the Efficiency and what not, Just have fucking fun in this fucking game with your fucking gear your fucking stats and without caring about fucking effiency and fucking damage. Kthxbye.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Secun - 2011-02-13
Jeez, I make one comment about how it's usually damage whores who go statless/bother resetting to 4 DEX and the thread goes to hell.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - WillDaSnail - 2011-02-13
dante9898 Wrote:If you are making a Character for fun why the pineapple are people concerned about the Efficiency and what not, Just have pineappleing fun in this pineappleing game with your pineappleing gear your pineappleing stats and without caring about pineappleing effiency and pineappleing damage. Kthxbye.
This just made me lol. Chilllax. If you want to argue against me, you might want to do so in a civil way, lest you get an infraction simply for flaming. Just a piece of advice before you start raging again at me.
And that comment you just made you look really stupid. No offence.
Well since this thread went off-topic, inb4 thread lock.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Dark Link - 2011-02-13
SaptaZapta Wrote:Similar story here. Got 80 DEX on my 2.5-year-old hero, not planning on resetting it in the foreseeable future, unless Nexon surprise us with a unlimited-quantity 1k AP Reset sale.
However, I wouldn't recommend putting DEX on a new warrior. Complete waste.
The only way I'd reduce my Dex is if Nexon re-introduced the 20 AP resets for 20k NX deal, like what they did sometime in 2008.
Also ITT: dante9898 beating around the bush and going in circles. Seriously, re-read your posts next time, you're already on the verge of contradicting yourself lol
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Secun - 2011-02-13
Dark Link Wrote:The only way I'd reduce my Dex is if Nexon re-introduced the 20 AP resets for 20k NX deal, like what they did sometime in 2008.
Also ITT: dante9898 beating around the bush and going in circles. Seriously, re-read your posts next time, you're already on the verge of contradicting yourself lol
Oh boy, a male version of Jamie. Just what we need.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Atuan - 2011-02-13
Will is being perfectly rational. The goal is to improve your character and get better. If I poured a bunch of time into training/gearing my guy and they didn't improve at all, I'd stop playing. No one wants to watch their character stagnate. Improve what you can when you can.
Old Warriors with old builds shouldn't have to argue with anyone. You have DEX because you needed DEX. Thats understandable, you shouldn't be hounded for it. Spending a bunch of cash on AP resets isn't worth it, especially when that meso could buy you gear that'll do more for you.
Am I the only schmuck that's not dexless? - Stereo - 2011-02-13
Atuan Wrote:especially when that meso could buy you gear that'll do more for you.
In 2007 (when Zenkat reset his base dex) the mesos couldn't buy gear that'd do more - if your base dex was high, the only way to get more STR was to reset base dex. Remember, the only armor for str scrolls that existed back then were cape str - so you had really nice clean items, and scrolled your weapon/glove for attack, cape for str, and that's about it. Once those 3 items had a good amount of atk/str, there's nothing left to upgrade - except reducing your base dex, while upgrading your equipment dex. It costs a lot, but is it better than 15-20 hour per level grind? Or even reaching into the 80-100 hours per level for the top players? That only gives you 5 AP too.
Right up until potential came out, it was fairly easy to be in a position where resetting base dex was the most cost efficient upgrade - it's not actually that difficult to be at an equipment tier where 3100 NX per 1 STR is not expensive. My Paladin's been there in late 2007 - after the release of topwear str scrolls. Got myself a 20 str top, and once again every possible upgrade was more expensive than ap resets (on the order of 60-80 mil per str - at the time, worth more than 3100 nx)
Even with potential - you're paying 1200 NX per cube. 3% str (on my Paladin) is worth the same as roughly 22 base dex, and the better %str is, the lower that gets: Once you're at a tier where 60 cubes are unlikely to give you that 3% str upgrade, it's back to resetting base dex as the most cost effective upgrade.