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The Archer Discussion Thread - DarkAbyzz54 - 2011-02-03
Well, I'm a little late. I usually lurk, but might as well input
You can call me Mychal. I'm a 159 BM atm, slowly training on BGA/BGBs. Had my archer for about 3 years or so, along with other characters.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-04
But Inferno and even Arrow Rain > Arrow Bomb =/ But oohhhkayyy, I'll try a Dragon + Bomb combo, see how training goes today, thanks guys
DarkAbyzz54 Wrote:Well, I'm a little late. I usually lurk, but might as well input
Welcome back ^^
The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-04
Punch Wrote:But Inferno and even Arrow Rain > Arrow Bomb =/ But oohhhkayyy, I'll try a Dragon + Bomb combo, see how training goes today, thanks guys
Well like I said, that was pre-BB and I had level 1 Inferno by then. But even still, think about it; Push them all to one side, bomb them to keep them away from you (stun). With Rain, you gotta get closer to em. The combo's a pot-saver as well. :b Inferno's better than Bomb, damage-wise, but if you're going to Bains, those are resistant to fire, aren't they?
(Note: I have never gone to Bains, so I have no idea about the map layout.)
The Archer Discussion Thread - DarkAbyzz54 - 2011-02-05
IIRC, Inferno > Arrow Bomb damage wise, even on fire resistant monsters. And thanks, Punch!
The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-05
DarkAbyzz54 Wrote:IIRC, Inferno > Arrow Bomb damage wise, even on fire resistant monsters. And thanks, Punch!
Yeah, Inferno was doing a bit more then Bomb, but Inferno doesn't stun =l
...
So I tried Lycans and Bains during 2x event.. and both of them, I got 5% every 8 minutes (Warrior Elixir)
D=
Is that even good? Felt slow .-.
Bains map was easier I think.. and a bit better when I used my Hurricane-Walk from left to right, and Arrow Bomb when mobs of 3 or higher are in my way..
=X
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-02-05
DarkAbyzz54 Wrote:IIRC, Inferno > Arrow Bomb damage wise, even on fire resistant monsters. And thanks, Punch!
Not on fire resistance. Sometimes damage isn't everything and the survivability helps a lot more.
The Archer Discussion Thread - fodjgngf - 2011-02-06
Does anyone even really add to dragons breath anymore?
The Archer Discussion Thread - McAwesomesauce - 2011-02-06
fodjgngf Wrote:Does anyone even really add to dragons breath anymore?]
yes
gathers mobs and creates breathing room
and by 200 you'll have everything except thrust/eagle/arrow blow maxed anyway
so whatever
The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-06
fodjgngf Wrote:Does anyone even really add to dragons breath anymore?
I have always had at least one point in it, it's really convenient.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-06
L> Dragon Breath's damage to > Inferno or ATLEAST Arrow Rain..
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The Archer Discussion Thread - Alilatias - 2011-02-06
Forget that.
Come the next big revamp, give us a new mob skill in 4th job that replaces Vengeance (seriously, is it some kinda joke from Nexon Korea? What in the world is the point of a passive Power Guard + automatic knockback skill when Dragon Pulse already exists and us archers aren't supposed to be taking touch damage in the first place?), or a new skill that upgrades both Inferno (increased range and damage/DoT %?) and Arrow Rain (increased range and allow it to multi-hit?) in some way.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-06
Alilatias Wrote:Forget that.
Come the next big revamp, give us a new mob skill in 4th job that replaces Vengeance (seriously, is it some kinda joke from Nexon Korea? What in the world is the point of a passive Power Guard + automatic knockback skill when Dragon Pulse already exists and us archers aren't supposed to be taking touch damage in the first place?), or a new skill that upgrades both Inferno (increased range and damage/DoT %?) and Arrow Rain (increased range and allow it to multi-hit?) in some way.
Yea :/
The Archer Discussion Thread - fodjgngf - 2011-02-06
MariaColette Wrote:I have always had at least one point in it, it's really convenient.I used to back when there was a minimum distance.. now that there isn't one.. I find dragons breath a waste. I'm much more content using power knock back lol.
I saw their sense in vengeance... a way to reflect some damage that you're inveitably going to take but why.. WHY does it have to be melee bow damage? Another gripe is just the activation rate and the distance it has.. most of the time it doesn't hit anything.
Perhaps instead of having vengeance in it's current form they could change it to something of more use like.. stance or some sort of damage buff.. like.. take damage and store some of it up to X number of times for a final release.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-02-06
Power Knockback is a skill with limited range. Dragon Breath has some range, which can be used to push mobs coming to you. There's a difference.
The Archer Discussion Thread - MariettaRC - 2011-02-06
fodjgngf Wrote:I used to back when there was a minimum distance.. now that there isn't one.. I find dragons breath a waste. I'm much more content using power knock back lol.
I saw their sense in vengeance... a way to reflect some damage that you're inveitably going to take but why.. WHY does it have to be melee bow damage? Another gripe is just the activation rate and the distance it has.. most of the time it doesn't hit anything.
Perhaps instead of having vengeance in it's current form they could change it to something of more use like.. stance or some sort of damage buff.. like.. take damage and store some of it up to X number of times for a final release.
My issue with Vengeance is that it's PASSIVE. That's kind of not good when you want to pass through a map without pissing monsters off. They should have at least made it active if they wanted to actually make it useful. For that reason, I'm not putting points in it for a LONG time.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-02-06
MariaColette Wrote:My issue with Vengeance is that it's PASSIVE. That's kind of not good when you want to pass through a map without pissing monsters off. They should have at least made it active if they wanted to actually make it useful. For that reason, I'm not putting points in it for a LONG time.
Don't ever add points into it. Even at 200, leave it at 0. It's trash.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-06
I'm still wondering why Phoenix doesn't burn (DoT) mobs AND bosses..
Just doesn't make sense.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-02-06
Punch Wrote:I'm still wondering why Phoenix doesn't burn (DoT) mobs AND bosses..
Just doesn't make sense.
Because it's pointless if inferno already does that. If you're that desperate for DoT damage you could alternate with inferno every few seconds, which would just make you lose DPS in general.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Punch - 2011-02-06
Locked Wrote:Because it's pointless if inferno already does that. If you're that desperate for DoT damage you could alternate with inferno every few seconds, which would just make you lose DPS in general.
It's not pointless, and I'm not desperate?
If Phoenix is already a Fire Element, there's not reason it shouldn't burn.
Just because Inferno does the same?
Okay, I'll just alternate between Hurricane and Inferno when I boss just to add DoT..
No, that'll make me loose DPS and of course I wouldn't. But if Phoenix could do that for me, that'd be pretty great and a tiny boost in damage.. seeing as BMs need it.
The Archer Discussion Thread - Locked - 2011-02-06
I can't think of a summon that does DoT.