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Introducing the SPDB - Shidoshi - 2011-01-13
I believe most of those problems with having to make very specific selections would be solved if you could display more results or you could look through more than 1 page.
Introducing the SPDB - RahlsSoldier - 2011-01-13
Is their any possibility of users being able to submit what mobs drop particular items?
Introducing the SPDB - Eos - 2011-01-13
RahlsSoldier Wrote:Is their any possibility of users being able to submit what mobs drop particular items?
No.
Shidoshi Wrote:I believe most of those problems with having to make very specific selections would be solved if you could display more results or you could look through more than 1 page.
Very first bullet point.
Introducing the SPDB - RahlsSoldier - 2011-01-13
Then this database has lost most of its functionality regarding items. Mobs and Maps are both still useful though.
Introducing the SPDB - Eos - 2011-01-13
Or your question was phrased wrongly for what you actually intended and you're making assumptions based on me having answered the question asked rather than question intended.
Introducing the SPDB - RahlsSoldier - 2011-01-13
Eosian Wrote:Or your question was phrased wrongly for what you actually intended and you're making assumptions based on me having answered the question asked rather than question intended.
Fine, if you want to continue to be nasty about it, that is your choice. Will this database feature what drops the items? If this is not from the users, how will this be determined? What will verify the accuracy of the drops, if the users are unable to moderate what drops what?
I am only making the assumption that users will be unable to help identify what mobs drop what items. As that is exactly the question you responded to. Since drops are handled server sided, I do not understand how you could have a complete list without approaching users, or having a server side dump that was unintentional by Nexon. Users being unable to do so means that there is no peer review. This defeats the purpose of the item database to me.
Introducing the SPDB - Eos - 2011-01-13
I wasn't aware offering a differing perspective of events was classified as nasty. What a remarkable world view you must have if everyone who sees things differently is mean.
The purpose of the database is to show what's in the files.
It doesn't matter that you don't see how it's possible, but yes, it will eventually include what mob drops what equips as well.
Introducing the SPDB - RahlsSoldier - 2011-01-13
Eosian Wrote:I wasn't aware offering a differing perspective of events was classified as nasty. What a remarkable world view you must have if everyone who sees things differently is mean.
The purpose of the database is to show what's in the files.
It doesn't matter that you don't see how it's possible, but yes, it will eventually include what mob drops what equips as well.
This is what I mean by nasty. I don't have a particularly remarkable world view. All I see is that you are repeatedly rude to users.
If you want to keep your source of the drops confidential or don't wish to disclose at this time, fine. But as I said, what will verify the accuracy of the source that you will be using to determine drops?
Introducing the SPDB - Eos - 2011-01-13
What verifies the source of accuracy of any information in the database?
Can you prove that Zakum3 in fact has 110,000,000 HP?
Why are you so focused on how we'll verify something that isn't even there yet but OK with the info that is, yet equally unproven?
Introducing the SPDB - kwaz - 2011-01-13
Jon Wrote:edit2: [23:08] <kwaz> hmm, would m/f/uni wearability info be useful to the db?
To expand slightly, most of the clothing/body options follow a pattern.
ID = 00x000
x = 0 male
x = 1 female
x = 2 unisex
Introducing the SPDB - RahlsSoldier - 2011-01-13
Eosian Wrote:What verifies the source of accuracy of any information in the database?
Can you prove that Zakum3 in fact has 110,000,000 HP?
Why are you so focused on how we'll verify something that isn't even there yet but OK with the info that is, yet equally unproven?
If I so chose, I could record a fight with Zakum using Fraps and add up my damage to it, and establish a range of its hp. Drops to me, are the most important part of fighting a mob. Exp is easily seen by fighting it. The numeric value of hp doesn't interest me, because I go on the basis of how much time or how many times I need to attack a mob to kill it. Drops on the other hand are not something that I can easily determine on my own. The only info I use from the mobs is their drops, most of the time, therefore, it is the only value that I truly care about.
The reason I am so focused on that is because hunting for drops takes time. I don't like wasting the time that I have available to play on hunting a mob that doesn't actually drop what a database says it drops.
Introducing the SPDB - SaptaZapta - 2011-01-13
Eosian Wrote:What verifies the source of accuracy of any information in the database?
Can you prove that Zakum3 in fact has 110,000,000 HP?
Why are you so focused on how we'll verify something that isn't even there yet but OK with the info that is, yet equally unproven?
Various extractors have told me that mob HP is in the client, specifically the mob.wz file. The data they present is easily borne out for regular mobs (especially since the insta-kill ring exists), so I have reasonable confidence that what they tell me about Zakum is also correct.
However, these same extractors have repeatedly told me that drops are server-sided. Monster Book contained lists that may or may not have been in sync with the actual drop data, but now that that is gone, the client contains no clue whatsoever as to what any mob drops. Or so we are told.
If you've found drop data hidden in the client somewhere, or have figured out a way to coax this information out of the server, and do not wish to share your methods - that's your right. Just say, "I have my methods, which I'd rather not disclose." However, pretending you don't know why we would think community input is needed for drop data but not HP data, is disingenuous.
So.... your drop data is going to contain frequencies too, right?
Introducing the SPDB - Eos - 2011-01-13
SaptaZapta Wrote:pretending you don't know why we would think community input is needed for drop data but not HP data, is disingenuous.
I did no such thing. As you yourself quoted I asked how what's there now is any more trustworthy than the random info provided by strangers. I could tell you anything drops anything and you'd never be able to prove it doesn't, only that it never happened for you. You can't prove a negative.
I think more people should read my signature.
Introducing the SPDB - TaliaNCo - 2011-01-13
Eosian Wrote:I think more people should read my signature.
Funny you should say that. I've read it countless times and know it by heart, yet I still read it when I see it.
Just for the record, I've seen Eos be mean and this is not it. He's just more direct than most people and speaks what most people merely think.
Introducing the SPDB - TaliaNCo - 2011-01-13
I had a question about the maps Eos. Is it possible to make the images clickable to be able to view a larger image of them? My old eyes, even with my glasses on, can't see them very well. NO.....I am not buying a magnifying glass or magnifying glasses.....lol. I realize I'm probably in the minority here as far as "older" age goes and the 16 year olds can probably see them just fine, but............please????
Introducing the SPDB - SaptaZapta - 2011-01-13
TaliaNCo Wrote:I had a question about the maps Eos. Is it possible to make the images clickable to be able to view a larger image of them? My old eyes, even with my glasses on, can't see them very well. NO.....I am not buying a magnifying glass or magnifying glasses.....lol. I realize I'm probably in the minority here as far as "older" age goes and the 16 year olds can probably see them just fine, but............please????
It's showing the mini-map at 1:1 size. You can use your browser's abilities to make it bigger. In Firefox I right-click, "Show background image" (in case the map is bigger than shown in the window), and then View->Zoom In.
Introducing the SPDB - TaliaNCo - 2011-01-13
SaptaZapta Wrote:It's showing the mini-map at 1:1 size. You can use your browser's abilities to make it bigger. In Firefox I right-click, "Show background image" (in case the map is bigger than shown in the window), and then View->Zoom In.
Then I probably need a new browser. Also, I'm thinking it might be an easier option for new users or others who have a crappy browser?
Introducing the SPDB - Eos - 2011-01-13
Except it means Fiel would have to either resize the images larger when exporting, or one of us would have to write a map-render and host those.
Introducing the SPDB - Fiel - 2011-01-13
Map rendering eats bandwidth very, very fast. Each image can be upwards of 3 - 5 MB.
Introducing the SPDB - RahlsSoldier - 2011-01-13
Fiel Wrote:Map rendering eats bandwidth very, very fast. Each image can be upwards of 3 - 5 MB.
Have you ever considered using http://imgur.com/ to host map images then?