DrRusty Wrote:I dont know what u meant about lol@warriors who went 1hand. Sure vipers are pretty strong, but they can't stay super transformed forever. Even when they are super transformed, demolition is just to slow to outdmg every other class. Even heros with a Fast sword (ribgol, 1H sword) I think can outdamage them.

Hell, this guys doing 50k per brandish, while those vipers are doing 100k per demolition. I'm pretty sure 2 brandish's are faster than 1 demolition.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5xkf38cICM8

Don't even mention red katanas. That would just destroy vipers DPS

Skylit Wrote:DS user with windbooster.. destroys katana's ._. Not sure about stonetooth tho...

DrRusty Wrote:why would devil sunrise users destroy katanas? Katana is already 2 speed faster.

I've seen way to many Heros switch to 1 hand to have 2H>1H even cross my mind.

Vipers are pretty damn good at single target damage, but to say they're better than any other class is jus ridiculous.

Skylit Wrote:Because , katana is Fast (4), under booster it's at the highest speed possible. now take a DS(normal6) and add windbooster and gg nexon for unbalancing! unless they actually make a speed Fastest(2) which will make Faster(3) items noticeable in speed.

Example: have you used a Faster (3) dagger and a Fast (4) dagger? w/o booster ofc you can tell the faster (3) dagger does more dps, tho add booster too both dagger's and yeah.. no differance.

Nickish Wrote:pineapple their Damage

its still a amazing class

LazyBui Wrote:No, it's really not. Pirates only have a couple unique abilities in function, the rest is just rehashing of other classes or sucky skills. If that's "amazing," I have lost faith in the assessment capabilities of Maple players. Maple didn't need another class.

EDIT: On topic, not bad damage at all. I was under the impression that knuckles were really low in attack, if he has a 98, that's probably really, really well-scrolled. I wouldn't use that as a benchmark for actual damage output.

Cactuar Wrote:98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

Skylit Wrote:Bstep wont possibly because your using a FAST 4 or 3 dagger, and with 3 being the fastest speed which aint even different from a fast 4 dagger w/ booster. yea shadowers get fucked over by pirates. f fucking 7

Windbooster

hero w/ normal speed high attack swords.. are hax w/ pirates. (normal 6)

NL's most likely wont get any speed boost due to fast 3 being the fastest. so its w/e (Fast 4)

Bowmaster mite get a speed boost w/ SoA (Normal 5)

lol marksman w/ strafe. GG (normal 5)

even Drk's will do more DPS then shadowers rofl. (slow 7)

conclusion: Im not sure, but Im positive (faster 3) is the highest speed possible atm unless nexon changes that, which in theory wont effect claws and daggers Since max speed is shared with fast 4 and faster 3 with daggers/claws using booster.

wee gg nexon f7

Cactuar Wrote:98 ATT is 3 10%s, minimum. 74 is average so 89... then he got 9 more attack some how. Either that, or he scrolled an above average thing. He only has 8 ATT in addition to the potion and weapon so 106 ATT total. Aside from his weapon, he's not that great WATT-wise.

Devil Wrote:About damage / second - That hero in the video is lvl 174, the highest Viper is lvl 165

I just did some timings:
- In 2 seconds a 2 handed hero can attack 3 times with brandish (6 attacks)
- It takes a Viper 2 seconds to attack 1x with Demolition, that are 8 attacks, not 6 (!!!)

6x 22500 avg (highest-30k / lowest 15k) = 135k dmg / 2sec - lvl 174

8x 19000 avg (highest 25k / lowest 13k) = 152k dmg / 2sec - lvl 165

So as far as I can see, Super transformed Viper Party's do more dps AND are ranged too...

Don't forget that you need a Viper party to do this continuous Super Transform + Time Leap thing, but still, their damage is the highest I've seen so far... 75k dmg / second (without criticals) = insane...

I also thought Vipers can do critical damage with demolition when they stun the monster, but since bosses can't be stunned, they can't do criticals to them...

wobbufet Wrote:I'm not sure what causes it but it's happened to me before too. Some kind of glitch I suppose.

wobbufet Wrote:I have to agree with you on that. And yes the skill animation is a bit long but still... what class can 1hko newties at lvl 12x? =o

Greg Wrote:"Godly" Lol.
Their attacks are as slow as the average American's attention span. Vipers spend levels 120~130 putting points in to Super Transform. After that, you spend 130~140 putting points in to demolition (And you'll probably make room for wind booster somewhere down that line. Maybe even that Dragon mob attack). So you're level 142 now. All you have is super transform and one single-target destroyer. By level 150 your only Viper mobbing attack still won't be maxed.

Vipers are godly on single targets, and single targets only. Dragon has horrible damage. At level 127, my level 21 BStep can hit up to nearly 40k per monster (And up to four monsters) while a well-equipped Viper's dragon only hits up to 20k~30k at level 164. Gross.

Sorry, I need to bash on Infigheters and their overrated-ness every now and then.