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Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - CommanderJinn - 2010-12-16
Mute Wrote:The hyogoku is just a silly macguffin. Hollows have powers that shinigami's cannot access, and vice versa. You can chalk that "two sides of the same coin" to aizen just giving his villanous monologue.
The way i interpreted the final getsuga was that he had gained mastery over his hollow half, but not the sword, so the hollow-half and the sword half conspired to get him the mastery over it.
Wouldn't mastery be Bankai though? I mean Ichigo had to fight Zangetsu in order to get Bankai. He also had to fight Hollow Ichigo in order to master Visored powers. And when Tensa zangetsu said good buy, he was still in merged form, which leads me to believe that the merge was permanent. I mean it'd be awesome if he still had half his powers already, but wouldn't that let him see hollows, as well as Hollowfy?
Bleach is a great story and all (most of the time) but Kubo leaves waaaaayyyy too many holes. Most he forgets to fill up again.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Mute - 2010-12-16
CommanderJinn Wrote:Wouldn't mastery be Bankai though? I mean Ichigo had to fight Zangetsu in order to get Bankai. He also had to fight Hollow Ichigo in order to master Visored powers. And when Tensa zangetsu said good buy, he was still in merged form, which leads me to believe that the merge was permanent. I mean it'd be awesome if he still had half his powers already, but wouldn't that let him see hollows, as well as Hollowfy?
Hmm...
Well, say that the two forces were trully and fully linked together, and when they faded from him as he used the final getsuga they did vanish. One could argue that only getsuga was gone as it was his hollow taking the form of getsuga or vice versa, and that he had gained dominance over his hollow side (mastery was a poor choice of words there, my bad) which kept some fraction of it deep inside him. I mean, he was a human who has the same powers as a captain-class shinigami, as well as energy enough as a hollow-fied Vizard to take on Grimmjow, and when he succumbs to death the power of his hollow half is capable of easily trouncing Ulquiorra.
Maybe it's that bit of his father's capacity to regain his powers after exhausting them that carried over to him when he was born. Look at what happens when other shinigami lose their energy, they've gotta go into a semi-hibernal state to let their powers go back. Hell, look at the very beginning to the entire series when Rukia gave almost all her powers to Ichi.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - CommanderJinn - 2010-12-16
Well we'll see I guess, can't shake the feeling it's going to be EXACTLY like the visored ark, in terms of training. I kinda wish Kubo with throw in something exciting once in a while. Like all the bankais we haven't seen yet, and not having Aizen mine pineapple everyone. I reaaaaallly hope we don't get another villain like that.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - MetaSeraphim - 2010-12-16
OB3LISK Wrote:You mean the uhm. The Shinigami King's royal guards?
Yes. I was mostly joking since people believe they might be ZS since that arc is coming up soon.
Mute Wrote:Ichigo still has his hollow half.
He lost both sides, all his powers. It was talked about multiple times in the manga. Until Kubo bullsh'its his powers back he has no powers at all and is just a normal human at the moment.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - CommanderJinn - 2010-12-16
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Yes. I was mostly joking since people believe they might be ZS since that arc is coming up soon.
He lost both sides, all his powers. It was talked about multiple times in the manga. Until Kubo bullsh'its his powers back he has no powers at all and is just a normal human at the moment.
A normal human who seems to have some sort of spiritual aura >.>
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - MetaSeraphim - 2010-12-16
CommanderJinn Wrote:A normal human who seems to have some sort of spiritual aura >.>
As I said, Kubo bulls'hiting his powers back. Though Isshin got them back somehow and he supposedly used FG as well.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - OB3LISK - 2010-12-16
Yeah, Isshin got it back after 17 years, not 17 months.
Wayyyy too many mysteries to be guessing here. Theories. Won't work F3.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - MetaSeraphim - 2010-12-16
OB3LISK Wrote:Yeah, Isshin got it back after 17 years, not 17 months.
We don't know when Isshin got his powers back, it never says. Just because the first time we see him like that is when fighting Grand Fisher doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten them back 16 years ago.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Shippo the Fox - 2010-12-17
CommanderJinn Wrote:Bleach is a great story and all (most of the time) but Kubo leaves waaaaayyyy too many holes. Most he forgets to fill up again.
You realize that's like a complete contradiction. In at least two ways.
Bleach/great story.
great story/too many holes.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Satellite - 2010-12-17
Shippo the Fox Wrote:You realize that's like a complete contradiction. In at least two ways.
Bleach/great story.
great story/too many holes.
Great, now this kid joined southperry too, so he can spam this thread about how Bleach sucks, but he still reads it.
Please stay in sleepywood.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Lozmaster - 2010-12-17
Satellite Wrote:Great, now this kid joined southperry too, so he can spam this thread about how Bleach sucks, but he still reads it.The great thing about southperrys ultra ignore feature is, I never have to know that he's posting in this thread doing his upmost to make any actual conversation on the subject impossible. And it feels great. If you don't like him , make good use of it, won't regret it.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - OB3LISK - 2010-12-17
MetaSeraphim Wrote:We don't know when Isshin got his powers back, it never says. Just because the first time we see him like that is when fighting Grand Fisher doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten them back 16 years ago.
That is very true lol.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Mute - 2010-12-29
EVERYTHING. HAS. A SOUL.
EVEN ALCOHOL!
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Mute - 2010-12-29
OH SH'IT, CHAD GOT 5 LEVELS IN BADASS!
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - OB3LISK - 2010-12-31
I like how so and so soul guy explains how he used light to jump higher in asphault, when Ichigo shouldn't have known at all how Uryu got hurt, nor does he even know now. It seemed weird to point out in his list of powers.
*still waiting for ichigo's dad to show up and say he's the leader of this gang*
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - street - 2011-01-04
what a twist! I guess this is the job chad has being doing.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Erebus - 2011-01-12
Update!
http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/43500026/1
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Takebacker - 2011-01-12
Ichigo's renewed powers + all of theirs = WTFHAX.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - CommanderJinn - 2011-01-12
Watch him never use his hollow powers again, just like he never stayed in his normal shinigami form after he learned bankai.
Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS) - Raph589 - 2011-01-12
CommanderJinn Wrote:Watch him never use his hollow powers again, just like he never stayed in his normal shinigami form after he learned bankai.
That's what i hate with Bleach. When Ichigo need something for the sake of the plot, he gets it, even if it break all the story. Remember the fight with Grimmjow? 2 chapters before he could only keep his mask for 11 seconds when he fought Ulquiorra, and he suddently became capable of wearing it for like 1 hour. Seriously, i started to like this mask
