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Final Death of Necroposting - KaidaTan - 2010-07-12
About the only "alternative" suggestion I can think of is just... make it 30 days. Er.. I guess I should first ask how many days after the last post are necroposts usually?
Kalovale Wrote:The reasonings are all sensible in my book, except one thing. Necroposting never was, never is and probably never will be a problem here on SP; why should everyone's time be wasted on arguing over this is it wasn't even a problem in the beginning?Er... didn't he just say it's one of the most-given infractions? I'd say that classifies it as a "problem."
Final Death of Necroposting - ImagineAll - 2010-07-12
Eosian Wrote:Necroposting is the #4 most commonly given infraction, below Spam, Flaming and Trolling, making it the single most common, preventable infraction.If reinforcing the rules isn't something they should have to concern themselves, what's the point of their position to begin with? But hey, let's just ban all users while we're at it as a preventive measure to get rid of flaming & trolling as well. While we're at it the site may as well not exist since there might be some problems that arise. Guess that's the end of SouthPerry guys.
The volume of moderators is not relevant to this, it's something they shouldn't have to concern themselves with in the first place.
Feeling a lot like the Minority Report in here.
Edit: It's a whopping number four, Alex. When you consider how many other infractions are frequently handed out I'd hardly consider it a pertinent issue. Eos proposed a fix, and some of us disagree with it. Tweaking rules is one thing, insulting the members and undermining their hard work is a completely different matter.
Final Death of Necroposting - Kalovale - 2010-07-12
KaidaTan Wrote:About the only "alternative" suggestion I can think of is just... make it 30 days. Er.. I guess I should first ask how many days after the last post are necroposts usually?
Er... didn't he just say it's one of the most-given infractions? I'd say that classifies it as a "problem."
Oh, I got ninja'd. I'm cool with this then, it's no biggie whether it happens or not, to me.
EDIT: I personally think some of you are confusing between fretting over a small detail and getting off your system over Eos. Sure, you're free to voice your concern, but save it for something that's worth it.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
ImagineAll Wrote:If reinforcing the rules isn't something they should have to concern themselves, what's the point of their position to begin with? But hey, let's just ban all users while we're at it as a preventive measure to get rid of flaming & trolling as well. While we're at it the site may as well not exist since there might be some problems that arise. Guess that's the end of SouthPerry guys.
I'm still not getting exactly what you're complaining about? Why don't you try actually stating your issue instead of just lashing out at change in general?
Mods should not have to waste time on things that can be automated. This is true of every ounce of life. You don't waste time writing a paper when you can print it. You don't waste time walking all over town when you can use faster transportation. The less easily automated crap a mod has to deal with the more they can devote to other things and the fewer mods we need overall.
KaidaTan Wrote:About the only "alternative" suggestion I can think of is just... make it 30 days. Er.. I guess I should first ask how many days after the last post are necroposts usually?
That point varies wildly. Sometimes a day or two, sometimes by over a year. I did initially state however the 21 was an arbitrary compromise between the 14 and 45 to determine if it was too soon/too long.
So far the best alternative I've heard is giving some forums a longer window than others, but that's approximately the same as just excluding those altogether so is already an available option.
Final Death of Necroposting - TaliaNCo - 2010-07-12
I think everyone needs to understand that the MODS of this, (and every other forum), have lives outside of SP. Trying to ease things up just a little bit will help them manage their time better. However, trying to find a happy medium isn't always easy. Finding valid arguments as to "why" this wouldn't work or shouldn't be in place, is what the focus should be. Lashing out because something might change isn't the way to get your point across.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
TaliaNCo Wrote:Finding valid arguments as to "why" this wouldn't work or shouldn't be in place, is what the focus should be.
Or how to make it work best, really.
Identifying what's wrong is only the beginning.
Final Death of Necroposting - KaidaTan - 2010-07-12
What about making it so that the rule only applies to anyone who's had a necroposting infraction in the past 6 months? Or are there rarely repeat offenders?
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Misses the point of preventing the initial offense.
The goal is to never have to do another necropost infraction, period.
Final Death of Necroposting - Devil - 2010-07-12
Geeez, comon people, If -ONE- thread is -SO- important that it deservers to be necroposted, and if it isn't stickied, just create a new one with all the major quotes from the whole old thread... That also saves people from having to read that whole old thread in the first place...
I don't really see any problem here...
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Breakout of where the Necroposting infractions occur.
| Section | Total |
|---|---|
| A&E | 8.28% |
| Extractions | 1.38% |
| Main | 4.14% |
| Maple | 60.69% |
| MHM | 3.45% |
| Deleted | 4.14% |
| Social | 17.93% |
At this time the following forums are exempt based on previous history & user communication:
Donor Forum, Open Canvas, Shady Tree, Game Mechanics, Quests
Final Death of Necroposting - Orit - 2010-07-12
The definition of Necroposting currently in the R&R says "The posting in a thread in which the discussion material is more than 2 weeks old and an insignificant contribution is made to the thread."
While the forum can easily determine whether 2 weeks (or 3, or whatever time limit is decided upon) have passed, it can't tell whether the contribution is significant. So, saying this rule can easily be automated, to save work for the moderators and infractions for users, is inaccurate.
The scenario that most worries me is one where someone posts a problem or question, and no-one has a good solution or answer, so the thread dies. A month later someone finds the solution but can't post it... They can make a "follow-up thread", but the forum's Search function is so flawed, a person looking for a solution for the same problem might easily find only the problem-statement but not the follow-up thread containing the solution.
As for constructive suggestions: Is it possible to make it so threads older than X don't get bumped when updated? It works that way on another forum I know, but that one uses a proprietary engine that is nothing like vBulletin. If we could have that here, "necroposting" ceases to be a problem. People can post in old threads if they want, it does not interfere with anyone else's browsing.
Final Death of Necroposting - TøbiasBlack - 2010-07-12
Devil Wrote:Geeez, comon people, If -ONE- thread is -SO- important that it deservers to be necroposted, and if it isn't stickied, just create a new one with all the major quotes from the whole old thread... That also saves people from having to read that whole old thread in the first place...
I don't really see any problem here...
thats a lot of work just to make a thread.
why would anyone want to recreate something to use to their own ends when they can save the time and effort to just add into the already existing thing? its like building a boat to ride in because you didn't like the beds of the first one. just make the bed work, dont go through the hassle of making a new boat.
and yeah, seems like it was already resolved, i just wanted to voice my opinion on the necro--A&E thing if i may:
Eosian Wrote:And I very well may. It predates the existence of the blogs and frankly I don't see a need for it when they're available.
sorry, gotta say this is pretty narrow-minded. the blogs could, in theory, also do away with some aspects from the other forums as well, say for instance the speakeasy and the angry dome. to generalize the whole of the expressive arts forums to a blog is undermining the importance of the forum and overgeneralizing the blog system.
Final Death of Necroposting - Fiel - 2010-07-12
lol, some day you guys will learn how to work with Eos. Fighting against him when he's clearly wanting your opinion probably isn't the way to go.
I recommend these boards be exempt:
- Maple Cinema - The board does not receive much traffic. Older videos can still have current relevance.
- Training Center - The board does not receive much traffic. Also, older posts that have no answer need to have answers. This helps to provide a resource for the boards.
Also, I do agree that Shady Tree belongs better in a blog. It allows each chapter to be commented on in isolation of other chapters and allows readers to move smoothly from one blog to the next by using the categories feature. Using the forums for this is less than ideal as the reader then has to read a chapter then parse through all the comments he may or may not want to read. About the only advantage I can think of for Shady Tree is that everything is in one localized place. So if a person wants to read a story, all of the stories are in one location and not scattered around blogs. It might be a good idea to have an admin-created "story" category, then users use their own categories to separate each chapter from there. The same could be said of Open Canvas. Admin Category of "Pictures".
Final Death of Necroposting - Fiel - 2010-07-12
lol, some day you guys will learn how to work with Eos. Fighting against him when he's clearly wanting your opinion probably isn't the way to go.
I recommend these boards be exempt:
- Maple Cinema - The board does not receive much traffic. Older videos can still have current relevance.
- Training Center - The board does not receive much traffic. Also, older posts that have no answer need to have answers. This helps to provide a resource for the boards.
Also, I do agree that Shady Tree belongs better in a blog. It allows each chapter to be commented on in isolation of other chapters and allows readers to move smoothly from one blog to the next by using the categories feature. Using the forums for this is less than ideal as the reader then has to read a chapter then parse through all the comments he may or may not want to read. About the only advantage I can think of for Shady Tree is that everything is in one localized place. So if a person wants to read a story, all of the stories are in one location and not scattered around blogs. It might be a good idea to have an admin-created "story" category, then users use their own categories to separate each chapter from there. The same could be said of Open Canvas. Admin Category of "Pictures".
Final Death of Necroposting - Rick - 2010-07-12
Fiel Wrote:lol, some day you guys will learn how to work with Eos.
I certainly hope so. He has reasons for pretty much everything he does / says.
Final Death of Necroposting - JoeTang - 2010-07-12
Rick Wrote:He has reasons for pretty much everything he does / says.
Everyone does.
I personally don't understand what everyone is so uptight about. I'm sick of looking through newly bumped threads and going to the last page to find it to be some sad excuse for English asking some variation of if "A" is released yet, how do you do "B", or is "C" better than "D" instead of useful conversation. If you actually have something meaningful to add, you can make another thread. If you can't be bothered to make another thread or ask to be exempt, then what you want to say obviously isn't important enough to waste anyone's time with.
Final Death of Necroposting - GummyBear - 2010-07-12
I used to play a game called Legend of the Green Dragon, and I had a pretty good account too. Too bad I went on holiday for a little while (3 weeks) and my account got deleted for "being inactive".
Do tread with care.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
TøbiasBlack Wrote:thats a lot of work just to make a thread.
It is, but everyone is also missing how very simple it is to just report the thread to a mod asking for a bump and detailing why.
Then it remains a judgment call on the mods behalf of whether or not your contribution is really worth breathing life back into the thread.
Entire forums don't necessarily need special exemptions for a single thread here and there, although some have been granted for good behavior.
Special cases are special cases and the "You can't reply" notice will be updated to include instructions on what to do if you have one.
Final Death of Necroposting - Lyriall - 2010-07-12
Is there no way to make an "Are you sure" page instead of a "You can't reply" page?
Final Death of Necroposting - JoeTang - 2010-07-12
Lyriall Wrote:Is there no way to make an "Are you sure" page instead of a "You can't reply" page?
It's already been stated that people would just skip that and post anyways. The point of this is to eliminate necroposting completely, not reduce it.