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Adventurer Rings discussion - AngryFungus - 2010-03-22

KaidaTan Wrote:Aran have a base crit chance of 70%

I thought it was 60%...

Adventurer Rings discussion - Takebacker - 2010-03-22

AngryFungus Wrote:I thought it was 60%...

Because you can always trust what nexon says for skill information.

Adventurer Rings discussion - Locked - 2010-03-22

AngryFungus Wrote:I thought it was 60%...

Without combo it's 10% chance, every 10 combos increases the chance by 6% therefore leading it to 70%.

Adventurer Rings discussion - iFrancisco - 2010-03-22

KaidaTan Wrote:Are you an NL/BM/MM/Aran/Evan/Dual Blader?
 Yes
 No

Assuming that the critical ring ACTUALLY works with the first 3 hits of Assassinate, lolShadowers should use the Critical ring (4tth hit of Assassinate has an inherent critical); just something you might change there.

I used the word 'assuming' above because SE still doesn't work with the first 3 hits of assassinate. Something tells me that the criticals still won't work even with these rings Frown

Adventurer Rings discussion - KaidaTan - 2010-03-22

iFrancisco Wrote:Assuming that the critical ring ACTUALLY works with the first 3 hits of Assassinate, lolShadowers should use the Critical ring (4tth hit of Assassinate has an inherent critical); just something you might change there.

I used the word 'assuming' above because SE still doesn't work with the first 3 hits of assassinate. Something tells me that the criticals still won't work even with these rings Frown
It's probably coded to ignore crits no matter what -- similar to Blizzard. My spoiler maze is still true no matter what, though.

Adventurer Rings discussion - Kalovale - 2010-03-22

Kalovale Wrote:Two questions:
- Are these rings Storageable?
- What's the final damage output? 100% + x% or 100% + 100% (crit effect) + x%?


Adventurer Rings discussion - Takebacker - 2010-03-22


The first one.

Adventurer Rings discussion - Kalovale - 2010-03-22

The damage shouldn't be at all worthy of consideration compared with the chance of activation then.

Adventurer Rings discussion - KaidaTan - 2010-03-22

Kalovale Wrote:The damage shouldn't be at all worthy of consideration compared with the chance of activation then.
Hence my spoiler maze. The rings are worthless on their own, but when combined with another crit ability, they become pretty broken.

Adventurer Rings discussion - Jellyflower - 2010-03-22

You know for heroes and paladins, it's better to keep your lilin ring if you solo.

Adventurer Rings discussion - darksyte - 2010-03-22

Theory:

1) Make a noob character before the event
2) leave it until event starts
3) since the character already has existed, level it 30 times vs. 50
4) profit?

Adventurer Rings discussion - Cyanne - 2010-03-22

darksyte Wrote:Theory:

1) Make a noob character before the event
2) leave it until event starts
3) since the character already has existed, level it 30 times vs. 50
4) profit?

If I remember correctly, you must start at level 51 or above for the 30 times thing to count.

Adventurer Rings discussion - Shidoshi - 2010-03-22

nvm this post

Adventurer Rings discussion - darksyte - 2010-03-22

Cyanne Wrote:If I remember correctly, you must start at level 51 or above for the 30 times thing to count.

what if we already have a character that is less than 51 but not quite beginner (say 39)

Adventurer Rings discussion - Infinium - 2010-03-23

KaidaTan Wrote:Classes that have innate crit (NL, BM, MM, Aran, Evan) or any class with SE/Thorns cast on them will want the Crit ring because it's much stronger, no contest. Otherwise, Cruel ring for physical classes and Magical ring for magical classes. Buccs are open for debate, since they could benefit from any of the 3 rings in a weird way, but everyone else has an obvious, possibly situational choice (Crit ring).

Is the gap in power a big difference with classes without criticals using a Cruel ring vs. a Critical ring with SE? If the difference in power is not that big, then I would just stick with a Cruel ring for solo purposes.

Adventurer Rings discussion - KaidaTan - 2010-03-23

Infinium Wrote:Is the gap in power a big difference with classes without criticals using a Cruel ring vs. a Critical ring with SE? If the difference in power is not that big, then I would just stick with a Cruel ring for solo purposes.
I don't know how you'd have SE when you're asking about solo purposes, but I'll just assume you have an SE mule. The difference is mostly DPS, and the extra 10% chance of critical massively improves that if you have SE. The difference is pretty big when you're soloing (with SE), but many would argue that for classes that don't hit very often, such as Heroes and Paladins, the consistency of the Cruel/Lilin's Ring would be preferred over the inconsistency of a 15% vs 25% chance of crit. I would counter that, since those classes spend most of their time mobbing, killing one monster ahead of schedule means you can attack the next monster in the group that much sooner. So I still sand behind my spoilers, even in various training circumstances.

Adventurer Rings discussion - Infinium - 2010-03-23

KaidaTan Wrote:I don't know how you'd have SE when you're asking about solo purposes, but I'll just assume you have an SE mule. The difference is mostly DPS, and the extra 10% chance of critical massively improves that if you have SE. The difference is pretty big when you're soloing (with SE), but many would argue that for classes that don't hit very often, such as Heroes and Paladins, the consistency of the Cruel/Lilin's Ring would be preferred over the inconsistency of a 15% vs 25% chance of crit. I would counter that, since those classes spend most of their time mobbing, killing one monster ahead of schedule means you can attack the next monster in the group that much sooner. So I still sand behind my spoilers, even in various training circumstances.

My bad for not making it clear. I meant getting a Cruel ring for training without SE. I train without SE and boss with SE on a regular basis and I wanted to know which one will be the most beneficial ring to use in the long run.

Adventurer Rings discussion - KaidaTan - 2010-03-23

Infinium Wrote:My bad for not making it clear. I meant getting a Cruel ring for training without SE. I train without SE and boss with SE on a regular basis and I wanted to know which one will be the most beneficial ring to use in the long run.
Lilin's ring is an acceptable substitute for the Cruel Ring. In fact... Lilin's Ring is better than the Cruel ring in the one situation that I said the Cruel Ring was the ring to choose. Even if you don't have access to Lilin's Ring, the Crit ring still gives some attack and would be only slightly less helpful when you don't have SE/Thorns, and much more helpful when you do.

So lets try this again:

Are you an NL/BM/MM/Aran/Evan/Dual Blader?
 Yes
 No


Adventurer Rings discussion - iFrancisco - 2010-03-23

KaidaTan Wrote:It's probably coded to ignore crits no matter what -- similar to Blizzard. My spoiler maze is still true no matter what, though.

KaidaTan Wrote:Are you an NL/BM/MM/Aran/Evan/Dual Blader?
 Yes
 No

No > No > No = Cruel. This does not apply for Shadowers, as I had said (they should use Critical). It actually doesn't matter if the critical works on the first 3 hits or not, the critical ring is still better.

Of course, if they don't use the 4th hit on Assassinate then you would be right, but that IS the strongest DPS output for Shadowers (and Assassinate will be used more post-balance patch).

Adventurer Rings discussion - LegendGospel - 2010-03-23

iFrancisco Wrote:No > No > No = Cruel. This does not apply for Shadowers.

Nor Buccaneers, I think.