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Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Nikkey - 2010-03-16
Super_cyp Wrote:Ya know what ruins maths homework?The fact that the maths textbooks had the answers in the back of them >
That's actually a great thing though. Even if they have the answers, they don't have the way to get the answers. By knowing that, you might end up with a wrong answer through a wrong way, and instead of getting an F, you might get something better because you look in the book and notice "Hey, I haven't got the right answer. I must've done something wrong. Lemme check...".
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2010-03-16
Lucida Wrote:What I meant. I added a "but" for clarification.D=
You hadn't edited your post with the second sentence nor the "but" when I read it.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Kalovale - 2010-03-16
Getting the easy way out of trouble, or to put, practicing deception for one's own profits, is cheating, by definition. I'm more on the eccentric side of my morale here, you don't do anything without consciously desiring to do so, there's no such a thing as doing against one's own will. Since it satisfies your very own self, copying homework is cheating, unless you take out the deception part in it, then it becomes just another method of doing homework, specially employed by you.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Rhayn - 2010-03-17
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:That's actually a great thing though. Even if they have the answers, they don't have the way to get the answers. By knowing that, you might end up with a wrong answer through a wrong way, and instead of getting an F, you might get something better because you look in the book and notice "Hey, I haven't got the right answer. I must've done something wrong. Lemme check...".
This is actually what they are for. My high school maths teachers expected us to mark our own work with it. It was infuriating because half the time my answers would be different, but I'd have no bloody idea why because they don't include the working for obvious reasons.
Thinking about it now, aside from daily maths problems and maintaining science prac books, my high school never really set us regular homework....just essays and assignments. And even then, the maths homework often weren't checked and had no bearing on our grades, though you'd fail pretty hard come exam time if you didn't do them. So I've never had occasion to even think about copying, because it either wasn't worth anything, or would be so obvious that I'd get in trouble.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - bio9205 - 2010-03-17
I don't copy answers unless I really can't figure the answer out. Especially math, even if I haven't done it, I refuse to copy. Where's the fun in that?
Also, in my school, we don't call it "copying". Rather, it's "referencing".
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Swerve - 2010-03-17
bio9205 Wrote:Also, in my school, we don't call it "copying". Rather, it's "referencing".
Semantics.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Stereo - 2010-03-17
bio9205 Wrote:Also, in my school, we don't call it "copying". Rather, it's "referencing".
But referencing implies that you indicate that it's not your own work, and cite the source. Which I guess you could do on homework if you really need to copy someone else's answer.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - KhainiWest - 2010-03-17
ts Wrote:ple who are actually interested in learning the subject will often find the homework pointless. People who are incompetent and don't give a crap about the subject end up passing the class anyways because homework is such a huge buffer to their grades that grades no longer reflect the amount of material each person has learned. And often times, people like me, who have an A+ test average in Physucks, but end up with a C average in the class because my Nazi teacher is too anal about absences that he won't allow me to turn in work despite excused illness.
This time a fucking thousand dude. Seriously this is the reason I hated school. Who the pineapple cares if I attend if I'm grasping the material. Who the pineapple cares if I do homework or not if I understand the material. It's fucking ridiculous how reliant your grade is on the most irrelevent things. The point of the class is to be educated. If I go in 10 minutes late, who the pineapple cares? Trying to instill dicipline? Guess what Principal shitface, most of society, especially at work is pretty lenient about stupid pomegranate like that, and I dont have to bring work home it stays at the office (most instances).
Finally someone who understands me! -cries-
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Nightclaw - 2010-03-17
WillDaSnail Wrote:2) Gives you a chance to practice. This will be reflected in tests - it'll show how much you practiced.
Okay, I want in on this debate.
I know the arguments, and one thing that people havent considered, is that different people learn differently.
For example. I am a fast learner. I absorb information like a sponge. In chem, I was sick and didnt make it to school for ANY of the days the teacher was teaching/assigning work in chapter eight. I get back to school on test day, read the chapter. walk in to class. Get 110 on the test (100+10 extra credit)
For me, if i read something, I know it. I dont need any further reenforcement. The only reason I do homework is for the grade.
When you have a kid that knows the material, and is assigned busywork homework, but the kid has a busy day. If he knows the material, is copying something that he could do easily under different circumstances wrong?
I think not.
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Quote:ple who are actually interested in learning the subject will often find the homework pointless. People who are incompetent and don't give a crap about the subject end up passing the class anyways because homework is such a huge buffer to their grades that grades no longer reflect the amount of material each person has learned. And often times, people like me, who have an A+ test average in Physucks, but end up with a C average in the class because my Nazi teacher is too anal about absences that he won't allow me to turn in work despite excused illness.
This time a pineappleing thousand dude. Seriously this is the reason I hated school. Who the pineapple cares if I attend if I'm grasping the material. Who the pineapple cares if I do homework or not if I understand the material. It's pineappleing ridiculous how reliant your grade is on the most irrelevent things. The point of the class is to be educated. If I go in 10 minutes late, who the pineapple cares? Trying to instill dicipline? Guess what Principal pomegranateface, most of society, especially at work is pretty lenient about stupid pomegranate like that, and I dont have to bring work home it stays at the office (most instances).
also this. If you want to learn how about this. Show that you grasp it on the test, not stupid homework that you can just look up online and be done with it.
All homework does is buff peoples grades, and help the lazy kids get better than they deserve.
IF YOU WANT TO LEARN, AND HOMEWORK WILL HELP YOU GRASP THE MATERIAL BETTER, ASSIGN IT TO YOURSELVES!!! SERIOUSLY! ITS NOT THAT HARD....
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Mira - 2010-03-17
People who "copy" homework usually are the people who fail the tests. Homework is practice. Without practice, you suck. It's the same with anything. For example, sports. If you never practice playing, you'll never get better and you'll lose the game. In my school, I would say that 95% of the students who copy get a C or lower on tests. The people who actually do the work are the ones who score well on tests, and this is true for all subjects. So, in a way, you are cheating, but the only person who loses is you.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Stereo - 2010-03-17
Nightclaw Wrote:When you have a kid that knows the material, and is assigned busywork homework, but the kid has a busy day. If he knows the material, is copying something that he could do easily under different circumstances wrong?
I think not.
That's fine, the question's not whether you think cheating is wrong, though - it's whether you think copying is cheating. Which it is >_> If the work is so easy for you then just do it quickly, if you're busy then tell the teacher, as long as you usually finish the homework then they probably won't mind missing it once. I'm not pulling this out of nowhere, I got away with it a few times in high school math. The teacher knew I could easily answer the questions, I just hadn't had time to do them that day.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Khoi - 2010-03-17
Considered as plagiarism.
Quote:–noun
1.
the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
2.
something used and represented in this manner.
Some teachers don't care if you copy though. But in university, from the teachers I've seen, most do take this into account, and you're reported asap if they catch you doing this. Some teachers don't care if you 'work on it together' though. Just be careful.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - WillDaSnail - 2010-03-18
Nightclaw Wrote:Okay, I want in on this debate.
I know the arguments, and one thing that people havent considered, is that different people learn differently.
For example. I am a fast learner. I absorb information like a sponge. In chem, I was sick and didnt make it to school for ANY of the days the teacher was teaching/assigning work in chapter eight. I get back to school on test day, read the chapter. walk in to class. Get 110 on the test (100+10 extra credit)
For me, if i read something, I know it. I dont need any further reenforcement. The only reason I do homework is for the grade.
When you have a kid that knows the material, and is assigned busywork homework, but the kid has a busy day. If he knows the material, is copying something that he could do easily under different circumstances wrong?
I think not.
I understand where your argument is coming from. However though, this is something that I find intruging....
Nightclaw Wrote:When you have a kid that knows the material, and is assigned busywork homework, but the kid has a busy day. If he knows the material, is copying something that he could do easily under different circumstances wrong?
Now since you claim that you know the material, but refuse to use your powerful knowledge to work, isn't this one (easy) lost opportunity to definately show that you really know your material? I request an answer for this.
I'm going to throw another argument in the ring: By simply copying homework, you are also promoting a bad work habit on yourself Like Mira said, it does reflect, one way or another. Unless your teacher assigns some retarded homework assignments (which some do, which I understand fully). However, no excuses; even if you just copying homework and get away with it, the work habit will stay, and it will bite you in the future
Furthermore, by nurturing the habit (copying homework) throughout high school, it will bite as once you start college/university, your work is going to be more scrutinized. And isn't copying homework = plagrism = zero-tolerance/out the door (especially in the college/university level)? Now tell me: does that benefit you in the long run? I want more than just a straightforward, "no-shi't sherlock" answer.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - Russt - 2010-03-18
Stereo Wrote:That's fine, the question's not whether you think cheating is wrong, though - it's whether you think copying is cheating.
Google Dictionary Wrote:When someone cheats, they do not obey a set of rules which they should be obeying, for example in a game or exam.
Obviously you're expected to do the homework yourself, so copying homework is cheating by definition. But that's not the point.
Is Copying Homework Cheating? - VladTheLvr - 2010-03-19
I tend to attempt to do the homework my self then review with my peers about how/where/why they got x answer.
Im against graded HW in general though. Classwork FTW.