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RAGE AHOy - Kevo - 2010-02-15
DualReaver Wrote:No. Neo City's highest boss is level 85, so you won't be seeing any cool equipment you can use.
Aw, that's too bad. I was liquidating the Red Katana's I've been merchanting up until now expecting the new swords to be released... =x
RAGE AHOy - Takebacker - 2010-02-15
Devil Wrote:Don't be so negative ppl! Bosses everyone can fight = better then pink bean clones...
Neo city is apparently level limited like mushroom castle. SO MUCH FOR BOSSES EVERYONE CAN FIGHT.
RAGE AHOy - Rob - 2010-02-15
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shroum Wrote:If neo tokyo never existed but one day KMS launched Neo City you guys would love it.
So just pretend that Neo Tokyo never existed.
We wouldn't have loved it anyway. What's the point of cool looking and eyecandy content if you are 90+/100+ and you can't enjoy it? As Takebacker said, Neo Tokyo was the epitome of challenge to high level players other than Pink Bean (lol), Horntail (lololol) and aimlessly training at Oblivion 4. [/color]
RAGE AHOy - finalbragade - 2010-02-15
Devil Wrote:Don't be so negative ppl! Bosses everyone can fight = better then pink bean clones...
the last high level content GMS got was like 1 year ago... pineapple everyone else i want a damn challenge to keep me playing
RAGE AHOy - Sarah - 2010-02-15
Takebacker Wrote:That's nice and i agree with you, but that doesn't really change the fact that they are not only more interested in creating new classes but at the same time are uninterested in expanding this s'hit town. Regardless of the "potential" it has.
If only they realized that you DON'T need to spend s'hit loads of money to survive the place. No one cares that there isn't even any decent training spots. The main attraction is obviously the BOSSES. The only problem is that the bosses all have some form of attack (touch or otherwise) that can "OHKO MOST CHARACTERS OH GOD". I GOT AN IDEA LET'S THROW ALL STRATEGY OUT THE WINDOW AND NOT FIND A WAY TO AVOID IT. Don't have the skill to avoid it? Yeah sure, spend money on something people are INCLINED to do in the first place! Does that give nexon any reason to finally have morals and say "NO WE SHOULDN'T FORCE KIDS TO SPEND MONEY ON OUR COMPANY" when doing that PISSES OFF EVERYONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY USE THE AREA?
You're right, but that doesn't calm me down. Also, that isn't the reason i want neo tokyo at all. I couldn't care less about how "HOLY S'HIT BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF ROBOTS IN A FUTURISTIC TOWN? SOUNDS BADASS." it is.
Spoiler
Ranged classes navigate neo tokyo JUST FINE.
Most of what you've said is really unreasonable. What you want is not necessarily what's best for maple. You just said yourself, the appeal is the bosses. Well what good is that for people like me who want to do things solo or just don't care to scrounge up a party so we can inevitably die? If I wanted to do that I'd go fight Pink Bean. The area is broken as hell and while it might have been fun to fight some new bosses, all in all it's a big waste of effort.
Do you think that I have things to do if I ever decide to start playing again? I'm in the same boat as you. I want high level content, but I want GOOD high level content. I want things I can actually make use of, and Neo Tokyo doesn't fulfill that. It would just be another frustrating area that 95% of maple never really experiences because of boss-hogging, hard-to-manage parties, and the crappy areas leading up to the bosses.
Annnnd finally, Nexon KOREA has never forced anyone to spend NX. I respect them greatly for that, as a matter of fact. They have, in their many years of service, never forgotten that free to play should mean free to play, not free to access. Who knows though, if you're so desperate to spend money to access the area maybe Nexon America will implement the same ticket selling system as JMS.
RAGE AHOy - Beg - 2010-02-15
If you say so Dev. I personally don't find taking less than 30 seconds for a boss SOLOING remotely interesting. 415k HP Aufhaven (or whatever it is)? For anyone past level 70 that's ridiculously low. Even Papa Pixie has more HP than that. Seeing as we're getting Neo City anyway, maybe Nexon NA would have a little sense and buff these bosses a little so they present at least something of a challenge up to 130 or something. >_>
Edit: Oh it's level limited as well? Didn't know that either. Bah, so much for that.
RAGE AHOy - HighOnMushrooms - 2010-02-15
It's not level limited. You just need to be 70+ to start the quests.
RAGE AHOy - Takebacker - 2010-02-15
BombsAway Wrote:Most of what you've said is really unreasonable. What you want is not necessarily what's best for maple. You just said yourself, the appeal is the bosses. Well what good is that for people like me who want to do things solo or just don't care to scrounge up a party so we can inevitably die? If I wanted to do that I'd go fight Pink Bean. The area is broken as hell and while it might have been fun to fight some new bosses, but all in all it's a big waste of effort.
What did i say that's unreasonable? All i said was: A disagreement with a viewpoint, a point that you don't need to spend money to navigate the area if you know what you're doing, a response dealing with my mental state, and reiterating that you don't need to HP wash for neo tokyo. What about any of that is unreasonable?
BombsAway Wrote:Do you think that I have things to do if I ever decide to start playing again? I'm in the same boat as you. I want high level content, but I want GOOD high level content. I want things I can actually make use of, and Neo Tokyo doesn't fulfill that. It would just be another frustrating area that 95% of maple never really experiences because of boss-hogging, hard-to-manage parties, and the crappy areas leading up to the bosses.
I know you are, that's why i figured you'd be on my side with this. (though i already knew you didn't like the area when you were all "LOL WE'RE GETTING NEO CITY NOT NEO TOKYO" months ago) Why would you be stingy and only want "good" high level content? There's only a handful of areas that are considered "high level". Any high level content is good content at this point.
BombsAway Wrote:Annnnd finally, Nexon KOREA has never forced anyone to spend NX.
Golden temple would like a word.
BombsAway Wrote:Who knows though, if you're so desperate to spend money to access the are maybe Nexon America will implement the same ticket selling system as JMS.
I would gladly pay a ONE TIME PAYMENT of NX to get into neo tokyo if i had the option. Of course you know that there's a quest to get in for free, right? You just have to down feudal lord, which isn't hard.
RAGE AHOy - Solarboy - 2010-02-15
Spadows blog said:
Neo City might not be useless since the theme dungeon is accessible for players above Lv. 70.
And im preety sure that I saw him in Neo city with a lv 120+ char, so I think that anyone over lv 70 can enter Neo city
RAGE AHOy - finalbragade - 2010-02-15
to bad to enter it you need a pt member and an item... everytime you enter it...
RAGE AHOy - ThatWasMyKil - 2010-02-15
i want a 20 slot hat
RAGE AHOy - Solarboy - 2010-02-15
finalbragade Wrote:to bad to enter it you need a pt member and an item... everytime you enter it...
This is probably a way to encourage you to look for the item, therefore making yo train withouth feeling that you are grinding, Its like when you are making monster crystals, you dont feel like you are grinding and therefore you gain "easy" levels
RAGE AHOy - Grey - 2010-02-15
I think it's perfectly fine that we're getting Neo City. It's much more important to reach the masses than a few unhappy high levels. Neo Tokyo might have a longer play time than Neo City, but you will get bored of it eventually, and then what? Who else could use it, unlike Neo City, where anyone over 70 could go with a buddy. We'll get high level content eventually, and I have a hunch that this new high level area in March will be connected to Terra Forest.
RAGE AHOy - Sarah - 2010-02-15
Takebacker Wrote:What did i say that's unreasonable? All i said was: A disagreement with a viewpoint, a point that you don't need to spend money to navigate the area if you know what you're doing, a response dealing with my mental state, and reiterating that you don't need to HP wash for neo tokyo. What about any of that is unreasonable?You don't think the way you're acting about content that we never had any guarantee to get isn't unreasonable? You're cursing out a company for doing what they're supposed to do. I think Nexon is worthless most of the time but even if Neo Tokyo were a supreme training ground that gave out 80k exp per kill and monsters had 1 HP and Korea created Neo City and ported it to our version we'd have no right to complain. It's unreasonable to expect you'll get something when there's never been any proof of it and then get mad when you don't.
Quote:I know you are, that's why i figured you'd be on my side with this. (though i already knew you didn't like the area when you were all "LOL WE'RE GETTING NEO CITY NOT NEO TOKYO" months ago) Why would you be stingy and only want "good" high level content? There's only a handful of areas that are considered "high level". Any high level content is good content at this point.Why are you making me seem like a villain for not having hopeless expectations? And again, you're being unreasonable. No high level content IS better than 'any' high level content. At least with no content you're not getting frustrated by something that is RIGHT THERE but completely unusable. Which is exactly what Neo Tokyo is.
Quote:Golden temple would like a word.The entire area isn't NX only. They have mini-dungeons that you can either grind to gain access to or pay; it's your choice. There is no obligation and the requirements aren't super stiff. Not to mention that there are many other alternatives and you don't miss out on anything by not buying the tickets or even choosing to not gather the required items.
Quote:I would gladly pay a ONE TIME PAYMENT of NX to get into neo tokyo if i had the option. Of course you know that there's a quest to get in for free, right? You just have to down feudal lord, which isn't hard.
I was talking about Neo City. But the quest requirement for Neo Tokyo is, iirc, more than what you just said. Collecting rarely dropped items and some such. Either way, it's a ridiculous requirement to gain access to something that, if it were implemented, should be free for all.
RAGE AHOy - Typhoon - 2010-02-15
solarboy Wrote:Spadows blog said:
Neo City might not be useless since the theme dungeon is accessible for players above Lv. 70.
And im preety sure that I saw him in Neo city with a lv 120+ char, so I think that anyone over lv 70 can enter Neo city
Sure you can get there being lvl 120, but wha'ts the point? Besides maybe quests/cards, theres nothing to do there for higher levels.
RAGE AHOy - Takebacker - 2010-02-15
iAmFear Wrote:but you will get bored of it eventually, and then what?
You could say the same thing about zak, and people still kill him daily.
Also, high level content gives those who can't use it something to strive for. "AW COOL YOU MEAN IF I GET TO X LEVEL I CAN FIGHT IN A FUTURISTIC TOWN WITH ROBOTS AND STUFF TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD? I'M IN"
RAGE AHOy - Solarboy - 2010-02-15
iAmFear Wrote:I think it's perfectly fine that we're getting Neo City. It's much more important to reach the masses than a few unhappy high levels. Neo Tokyo might have a longer play time than Neo City, but you will get bored of it eventually, and then what? Who else could use it, unlike Neo City, where anyone over 70 could go with a buddy. We'll get high level content eventually, and I have a hunch that this new high level area in March will be connected to Terra Forest.
Exactly, Even though some ppl dont like it, It is a kinda cool area, and the hat gives +5 stats *coughitsuckscough* when the neo tokio one gave +1, And the big update in march is still unknown to everyone, It may have something to do with the black magician though
RAGE AHOy - Grey - 2010-02-15
Takebacker Wrote:You could say the same thing about zak, and people still kill him daily.
Also, high level content gives those who can't use it something to strive for. "AW COOL YOU MEAN IF I GET TO X LEVEL I CAN FIGHT IN A FUTURISTIC TOWN WITH ROBOTS AND STUFF TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD? I'M IN"
Zak isn't the same. People kill Zak for the helms, something anyone over 50 can use. What do the bosses of Neo Tokyo drop that's so special? People can strive for something, but isn't it better for them to have a place they can use to get there.
RAGE AHOy - Takebacker - 2010-02-15
BombsAway Wrote:You don't think the way you're acting about content that we never had any guarantee to get isn't unreasonable? You're cursing out a company for doing what they're supposed to do. I think Nexon is worthless most of the time but even if Neo Tokyo were a supreme training ground that gave out 80k exp per kill and monsters had 1 HP and Korea created Neo City and ported it to our version we'd have no right to complain. It's unreasonable to expect you'll get something when there's never been any proof of it and then get mad when you don't.
If you say so.
BombsAway Wrote:Why are you making me seem like a villain for not having hopeless expectations?
I'm not trying to, lol.
BombsAway Wrote:At least with no content you're not getting frustrated by something that is RIGHT THERE but completely unusable. Which is exactly what Neo Tokyo is.
Maybe to you...
Soloable high level bosses in a bossing "only" area? Blasphemy...
BombsAway Wrote:The entire area isn't NX only. They have mini-dungeons that you can either grind to gain access to or pay; it's your choice. There is no obligation and the requirements aren't super stiff. Not to mention that there are many other alternatives and you don't miss out on anything by not buying the tickets or even choosing to not gather the required items.
I'm under the impression that they have you pay to get in after the event is done.
BombsAway Wrote:But the quest requirement for Neo Tokyo is, iirc, more than what you just said. Collecting rarely dropped items and some such. Either way, it's a ridiculous requirement to gain access to something that, if it were implemented, should be free for all.
The only thing rare as far as i was told was the feudal lord etc. The rest is easy.
iAmFear Wrote:What do the bosses of Neo Tokyo drop that's so special? People can strive for something, but isn't it better for them to have a place they can use to get there.
Dozens of fully refined crystals (str/dex/luck/int, massive deflation on makering costs), new bullets, new throwing stars, coins to refine godly items such as a fast (4) 1h sword/1h BW, not to mention the AUFHEBEN HELMET.
RAGE AHOy - Ssj5will - 2010-02-15
Yeah, there's still one bright side, no crappy events.
At least its new content, not nearly as godly as we hoped, but new nonetheless.
It'll be interesting to completely understand Neo City's story, then we can officially judge it.