XBish Wrote:i am looking at the video, her fisrt attack starts at 3.03 she guards, then right after at 3.04 she booms and everyone is dead by 3.06. thats not 4 seconds anywhere.

at 3.31 she moves her hands not 3.28, next she casts it at 3.40 not 3.37. next then is 4.48 not 4.45. and i am done checking, here are ss of the screen on those second i say please check the hands and the circle beggin to apear.

i see her glow and not do gen at 5.51 so the glow is not part of gen.

some pics to prove my point.
3.28 nothing is happening yet

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3.31 she does the circle with her hands

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3.33 everyone eats a bag of dirt and dies

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elvis just left the building.

KaidaTan Wrote:Okay, quoting myself to prove that it's not true. Check WhyteBar's video of the first time we did PB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeXkjypRP2k

 Here it is

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Watch from 7 minutes on. Specifically at 8:58, 9:06, and 10:20 she casts the beams or the rocks without first casting any buff. I'm pretty sure this disproves the question I asked earlier. So, combine that with the argument Carlos just posted, in what way is this 4 seconds again?

Cyanne Wrote:Ariel is already in the middle of casting a skill in the first screenshot...

Cyanne Wrote:Even though it doesn't look like it, ariel is always set to face "left" like (almost?) all stationary bosses, so the alternating between skills and attacks only holds true if people are only attacking from the left.

XBish Wrote:but not the beam sweet checks.

Cyanne Wrote:I guess I have to lay it out for you... Ariel's attacks must alternate with its skills. That's the reason it takes forever to attack; its skills have long cooldowns.

KaidaTan Wrote:Left Pianus is the only one I can think of that faces right, but I digress...

Why? I don't understand how attacking it from two sides interrupts anything. What if everyone attacks from the right? Does that make it work? Why or why not?

Cyanne Wrote:I also don't know about attacking from the right, though there's not really much reason to do that since ariel casts poison mist there.

Cyanne Wrote:Monsters actually can't use area warning attacks while facing right (easily observed in oblivion guardians).

XBish Wrote:i guess i must lay it down for you too, ariel can cast its buffs without doing its attack so the real skill, the beam , takes 2 seconds not 4. sure if you add the buff and the skill its 4 seconds but there is no way to know if she will cast the beam right after the buff and if she doesnt then the next time she beams you only have 2 seconds.

example in the video at 5.51 she buffs but doesnt beam or 1/1.

get it?

randompeep Wrote:Why shouldn't you attack there? Poison mist has nothing on IMMAH 1HKO U WITH MAH LAZOR!, and from the AreaWarning example, Ariel shouldn't be able to fire it right if everyone's there. inb4lolgetoutnub

Stereo Wrote:Or for oldschool people, Grims/Thanatos.

I didn't know the Guardians had an area warning attack, is that the one with the flying swords?

Cyanne Wrote:So what if it doesn't attack after casting a skill? Wasting 3 seconds in a span of 10 minutes is much better than dying every other beam attack. I have never seen it behave haphazardly so as to attack more than like 2 seconds after casting a skill, but if it does, that's what wheels are for.

KaidaTan Wrote:It did in the parts of the video I pointed out. I don't see the point of a strategy if it isn't reliable. And I don't think wheels should be necessary to kill any boss.

Cyanne Wrote:This might also be part of the reason oak barrel can trick statues into not attacking, but I'm not entirely sure.

Cyanne Wrote:You're not making any sense at all; not supposed to be hit means just that. Same thing applies to things like anego and bodyguard A for ranged characters. Of course people walking in without knowing what's going on are going to be hit. Comparing pap soloing with less than 4k hp to ariel as a ranged character in phase 5 of the PB fight is a perfect comparison, seeing as you have to avoid bomb explosions in pap like you have to avoid laser beams from ariel. The boss's hp or whatever have nothing to do with that.

xgunedx Wrote:Just because the skills data says 4 seconds doesn't mean you actually have 4 seconds to react.

You also have to factor in reaction time and lag.

It's like watching a video of someone standing in front of a moving bus.

You say "Omg, that idiot, he had 5 seconds to run!"

But the person in front of the bus isn't going to think that.

He's going to think "Omg! I'm about to get run over by a bus. What do I do?"

Theoretical data does not compete with actual data.

KaidaTan Wrote:Cyanne isn't all that far from the truth. It does seem that -- at least most of the time -- Ariel has to cast a skill before she casts an attack. So if you start moving away during her skill casting, you'll be long out of her range by the time she casts the attack. Still, I'm not really a fan of this strategy considering how much time it wastes. Windia already figured out a much faster way to kill her anyway.

Doctor Omega Wrote:On the contrary, you're the one in this thread that seems to fall short on logic. Everyone in here is arguing every single point you make. And what the hell are you even talking about? The boss's HP has plenty to do with it. It controls the length of the battle, and by your silly logic, more time spent "dodging" attacks. And once again, the fights are nothing alike, at all, and honestly, I don't even know how you think they are. That truly confuses me. It really does. The fights have a level gap of 65, and a damage gap of over 11,000.

At any rate, I'm pretty well done posting in this thread. Your damage dodging argument makes about as much sense as Richard Simmons playing in the NFL. Bossing in this game doesn't require damage-dodging skills, it requires HP to tank hits. Period. Going into PB and expecting to "dodge" his attacks to stay alive is just absurd. And I'm sure TheTyphoon or any other Villains can vouch for this.

Cyanne Wrote:But of course, it must be a better idea to spend tons of money to hp wash for one boss to be able to survive an avoidable attack.

Doctor Omega Wrote:At any rate, I'm pretty well done posting in this thread.