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Board changes; Moderation changes; - Takebacker - 2009-08-22
You might as well remove every SPECIFIC world forum, and lump it all into one world forum where all server related discussion, guild recruitment, etc goes.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - JoshKun - 2009-08-22
eos367 Wrote:Always a step behind me
because I was talking to you.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Providence - 2009-08-22
eos367 Wrote:World Specific Rankings (classes, class variations, etc).I agree, though I hope our other world forums will become more lively; Mardia's (along with spawning 95% of the reported material in any world forum) is miles ahead of the rest in terms of activity.
World Specific Guild recruitment
World Specific Events
World Specific Party hunting
World Specific Services
World Specific sales/purchases
That's six legitimate purposes off the top of my head.
The fact drama can be dragged into any of those is like saying we should kill all babies because they can grow up to be stupid/immoral/do bad things/whatever rather than have society take the time to invest in them and keep them on the approved and productive path.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - JoshKun - 2009-08-22
Providence Wrote:I agree, though I hope our other world forums will become more lively; Mardia's (along with spawning 95% of the reported material in any world forum) is miles ahead of the rest in terms of activity.
It could also have something to do with the fact that no other world has the interest of Eos. He has a lot of good information. He just so happens to share a lot of it specifically to our world about our world. I, personally, enjoy the information Eos gave us in our section. I really hate to lose it. I also hate to lose a section for him to post world specific information, as well.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Eos - 2009-08-22
ItzTaylor Wrote:I've never seen half of those 6 reasons ever happen in the time the forums were even up. And even if some did happen. There are sites that already have perfectly good ones, so we didn't lose anything. :f6:
Funny, cause I see examples of all of the above in the Mardia section, although a lot of them have dwindled due to general attrition.
Removing them removes the potential for them as well. You might not have them now because SouthPerry's populatin is so miniscule, and possibly more so for some worlds than others, but if they're gutted from existence you'll never have them and SouthPerry has one less avenue of growth to attract people and is one more level of generic Maple blah.
Ever since SP lost it's extractions it's had absolutely nothing special to draw people beyond the fact it's not place x, y or z. The fact it's growing at all is a borderline miracle and I fail to see how removing entire sections is going to help foster further growth.
Drama is going to happen. Asking there not to be drama is like asking people to be toasters. If enforcing the rule is a burden, maybe the rule itself is the problem. The omre active a world is here, as Providence noted, the more you're going to have people who disagree clashing. As long as they keep it to their own little world where the drama's going to play out anyway, why care?
If anything it gives a realistic view into what each world is like for people conisdering moving, and shows how factions divde themselves, what topics trigger what reactions and so forth.
SekushiKun Wrote:It could also have something to do with the fact that no other world has the interest of Eos. He has a lot of good information. He just so happens to share a lot of it specifically to our world about our world. I, personally, enjoy the information Eos gave us in our section. I really hate to lose it.
Flattering, but I'd just move our little Puppy thread into a "What's Up Today In Mardia" thread and spam the General section with things they don't care about, or troll us over, proving the whole drama-is-everywhere thing.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Conciente - 2009-08-22
Providence Wrote:I agree, though I hope our other world forums will become more lively; Mardia's (along with spawning 95% of the reported material in any world forum) is miles ahead of the rest in terms of activity.
Hey, yesterday it was 90%.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Providence - 2009-08-22
Conciente Wrote:Hey, yesterday it was 90%.That Magus character. . .a glass always half-full.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Eos - 2009-08-22
Conciente Wrote:Hey, yesterday it was 90%.
Yeah, but we made up for that today by burying the needle at 110% when we realized the forum was gonna die and survival of the threads didn't matter any more.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Providence - 2009-08-22
As has been said, the fact that some of the worlds' forums produce reported content does not mean that the best way to resolve the situation is to completely remove the forum itself. The General Maplestory section often holds complete flame wars, too, but we won't remove that lest we remove an integral part of any gaming-related forum. Last I checked, every MMO's fan-forum contained sections for each server. You can bet the moderators over in those forums see similar or greater numbers of reports regarding those sections. It's not like infractions and warnings were ever difficult to give out, anyway.
I realize that the world forums aren't exactly active, anyway, but Southperry.net has been growing rather rapidly. It seems reasonable to assume that the activity of the world forums could rise as the numbers of active users do. Why should we deny them before knowing what the future will bring?
Board changes; Moderation changes; - JoshKun - 2009-08-22
Providence Wrote:As has been said, the fact that some of the worlds' forums produce reported content, does not mean that the best way to resolve the situation is to completely remove the forum itself. The General Maplestory section often holds complete flame wars.
Southperry.net has been growing rather rapidly. It seems reasonable to assume that the activity of the world forums could rise as the numbers of active users do. Why should we deny them before knowing what the future will bring?
Hell, it's not like infractions and warnings are hard to give out, anyway. XD
This is what I have been saying. If there are a few people causing problems... give them a few weeks break from sp. Surely they will understand the way they say things aren't taken well. If they continue, make it a perma.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - TaliaNCo - 2009-08-22
I'm absolutely shocked they're getting rid of the world specific forums. Unforunately I think that will only lead people to solely read and post on other websites that will have that feature enabled. Too much drama is easily solved through banning. While it is a lot of work and requires a lot of babysitting, it shouldn't stop this site from allowing the more mature user more options that we have come to enjoy.
I always keep an eye on the world specific discussions such as, well.......just about everything Eos already mentioned. It made it much more user friendly to be able to find such things. Drama will happen no matter if you rid the world specific forums or not. Again, it just gives us less options to enjoy as a whole on this site.
While I don't post here much, I do enjoy reading and browsing the forums. Honestly, I don't really read much of anything but the Mardia forums since that is where my main character is located in Maple Story. (though occassionally I will look at others to look for friends who have relocated to different servers)
Oh well...........it was fun while it lasted.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Cactuar - 2009-08-22
Providence Wrote:As has been said, the fact that some of the worlds' forums produce reported content does not mean that the best way to resolve the situation is to completely remove the forum itself. The General Maplestory section often holds complete flame wars, too, but we won't remove that lest we remove an integral part of any gaming-related forum. Last I checked, every MMO's fan-forum contained sections for each server. You can bet the moderators over in those forums see similar or greater numbers of reports regarding those sections. It's not like infractions and warnings were ever difficult to give out, anyway.
I realize that the world forums aren't exactly active, anyway, but Southperry.net has been growing rather rapidly. It seems reasonable to assume that the activity of the world forums could rise as the numbers of active users do. Why should we deny them before knowing what the future will bring?
I'm going to side with Ryan here. I believe it'd be better to come up with a slightly more restrictive set of rules for posting in world forums when the only other option is to completely remove them.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Magus - 2009-08-22
Vernacular Wrote:I would like to request an infraction for derailing threads in the funhouse.
Talking about massive derails. :/
We actually talked about doing this to all fourms a while ago. Dunno' how that's progressing however.
SekushiKun Wrote:Maybe you should stop sharpening your banhammer and actually use it.
NO! My banhammer needs to be sharp enough to split ADOMS before I can use it!
*Goes back to sharpening his hammer*
Conciente Wrote:Hey, yesterday it was 90%.
73.56% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Cactuar Wrote:I'm going to side with Ryan here. I believe it'd be better to come up with a slightly more restrictive set of rules for posting in world forums when the only other option is to completely remove them.Thirded.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - MasPan - 2009-08-22
Seems a bit harsh, but thanks for letting us know Fiel.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Russt - 2009-08-22
Magus Wrote:We actually talked about doing this to all fourms a while ago. Dunno' how that's progressing however.Technically, derailing a thread in any other forum should deserve a spam infraction. Trolling/flamebaiting if it's bad enough.
wuts an adom
Board changes; Moderation changes; - ImagineAll - 2009-08-22
rayhovite Wrote:I suppose this is necessary.You seem like the perfect candidate for a sleepywood mod. *Rolls eyes*
Southperry is turning into the drama-queen swamp that is Sleepywood.net.
Southperry had humble beginnings and a data-oriented niche.
Getting rid of particular forums won't change the situation. They'll simply take it to General MS forums. The only way to get rid of a virus is not to get rid of the folders it infests, but rather the virus itself: permaban Southperry's worst and maintain a stricter policy on inter-world drama.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - rayhovite - 2009-08-22
ImagineAll Wrote:You seem like the perfect candidate for a sleepywood mod. *Rolls eyes*
Most sw mods kiss ass to get their positions (or send the owner nudes). I'm quite the opposite of that. I like my clothes on and as an economist, focus on solutions out of natural habit. Banning/warning too much causes traffic problems, while doing nothing leads to eventual traffic problems as well. I admin other forums, so I know how it is. I also notice that Fiel isn't the kind of guy to want to ban people and have to deal with drama, so this is his way of saying "don't make me do this".
Board changes; Moderation changes; - ImagineAll - 2009-08-22
rayhovite Wrote:Most sw mods kiss ass to get their positions (or send the owner nudes). I'm quite the opposite of that. I like my clothes on and as an economist, focus on solutions out of natural habit. Banning/warning too much causes traffic problems, while doing nothing leads to eventual traffic problems as well. I admin other forums, so I know how it is. I also notice that Fiel isn't the kind of guy to want to ban people and have to deal with drama, so this is his way of saying "don't make me do this".In this case simply removing the sub forums removes the problem. There is already drama in the general sub forum, so regardless of the world sub forums being removed, drama will still linger in other areas with or without them here.
But being ban happy and just banning people all of the time also does not make things any better.
Board changes; Moderation changes; - rayhovite - 2009-08-22
ImagineAll Wrote:In this case simply removing the sub forums removes the problem. There is already drama in the general sub forum, so regardless of the world sub forums being removed, drama will still linger in other areas with or without them here.
But being ban happy and just banning people all of the time also does not make things any better.
Yeah......totally agree.....coz I already said all of that
The best solution is for people to try to understand each other and resolve things without having to require intervention from admins. Admins already have enough on their hands with greg and opeth.... 
Board changes; Moderation changes; - Typhoon - 2009-08-22
yeah i dont see whats so hard about just warning something and then banning if they keep it up.
Providence Wrote:Last I checked, every MMO's fan-forum contained sections for each server. You can bet the moderators over in those forums see similar or greater numbers of reports regarding those sections. It's not like infractions and warnings were ever difficult to give out, anyway.
should tell that to the mods in that "world sub-forum that we both reside in from that 'other forum'"
i know around this time last year in the broa subforum here on sp there was drama. but lots of people were given infractions and even banned by lordkatz.
and i even agree about infactions in funhouse... sure its there for people to spam and say whatever.. but i'm sure it gets frustrating when you make a thread and people come in linking to come random pic or saying some random thing jus cus they can.