Jormungandr Wrote:I'm going to laugh if they end up implementing the damage reduction and if it ends up affecting our own summons.

Kabanaw Wrote:It won't. If you haven't noticed, no multipliers do. Not even Amp.

Veneni Wrote:They closed your thread on sleepywood...

BombsAway Wrote:It's kind of a shame but I doubt your thread will see any sort of staff replies. Regardless of Pepe trying her hardest to address what she can, Nexon has this "IF I DON'T SEE IT, IT DOESN'T EXIST" mentality and will likely continue to ignore your thread and the issue, pretending the way it is is the way it's supposed to be, or magically we will see a change during one of the next patches without any address to the issue on the forums, and they will claim credit for it. "Oh we noticed that months ago and we just have SO much to do we couldn't get around to it until now."

I'm sure you're not about credit as long as things get changed but man I would be so angry if they pretended they knew it was an issue all along and didn't acknowledge that you were the driving force behind the change, even if that acknowledgment was just in the form of a brief "Thanks, we'll look into it *lock*" post at the end of the topic before making the change.

DamyouAL Wrote:harrison will u marry me?? lol

and all this AM are so hatefull and jelaous of bishops who own them, thzats the problem lol

Dusk Wrote:I've been dying to get Maker for months, but it's mostly because I envision the entire scrolled item market collapsing on itself as better items become increasingly abundant, and for this reason I'm hesitant to upgrade my equips, even if it means I'm weaker than most my level for another couple of months... it feels like any scrolls used now will only be a wasted effort.

Magus Wrote:(Also, it should be noted that at the same time the only people who think that Genesis should be left the way it is are Bishops as well.)

Morgana Wrote:Anyway, I posted a quick hit on the Nexon forum topic. I don't like posting there because I always get nervous that the mods will ninja me about something I said, but I do think that fixing elemental weapons once and for all is the only way to begin healing the mage/bishop divide. Because we should love each other.

DamyouAL Wrote:harrison will u marry me?? lol

and all this AM are so hatefull and jelaous of bishops who own them, thzats the problem lol

motomage Wrote:al </3 i have a HS bot attached to my char, im better than any old bishop D:

as time has gone on i've become less interested in seeing this fixed. it keeps prices at an inflated level, making the weps actually worth something. the elemental + lets me hit more than most bishops on holy weak enemies, which is good enough to satisfy my main peach about balancing the classes (bishops getting support skills = weaker, mages no support skills = stronger)

although it would be fairly comical to see them fix it now. you would see a flood of nicely scrolled ele weps, much more than what the demand is... at the same time it would be a bit sad seeing my wands price collapse.

the biggest issue in the game is balancing elemental mobs. i wish nexon would go through the game and fix/add/adjust elemental advantages. there should be an equivalent to skeles for ice/fire mages. the frustrating part here is GMS will probably see time temple soon enough, which will give an advantage to high level fire mages, leaving the game continually uneven

heres hoping theres one more high level area to be seen and its fire based enemies <3 /dreams

motomage Wrote:al </3 i have a HS bot attached to my char, im better than any old bishop D:

as time has gone on i've become less interested in seeing this fixed. it keeps prices at an inflated level, making the weps actually worth something. the elemental + lets me hit more than most bishops on holy weak enemies, which is good enough to satisfy my main peach about balancing the classes (bishops getting support skills = weaker, mages no support skills = stronger)

although it would be fairly comical to see them fix it now. you would see a flood of nicely scrolled ele weps, much more than what the demand is... at the same time it would be a bit sad seeing my wands price collapse.

the biggest issue in the game is balancing elemental mobs. i wish nexon would go through the game and fix/add/adjust elemental advantages. there should be an equivalent to skeles for ice/fire mages. the frustrating part here is GMS will probably see time temple soon enough, which will give an advantage to high level fire mages, leaving the game continually uneven

heres hoping theres one more high level area to be seen and its fire based enemies <3 /dreams

Magus Wrote:Because it's really fair that Bishops buy all the staffs/wands with all the money they've made from leech, causing them to inflate to the point that the class they where intended for cannot afford them. FFS, I met one bishop on my server who was COLLECTING them and used a different color each day.

There is no reason that Bishops should be able to use these without a penalty, and the only people who think otherwise are the Bishops.

(Also, it should be noted that at the same time the only people who think that Genesis should be left the way it is are Bishops as well.)

That's...just wrong

Veneni Wrote:2) Elewands/staffs are wanted, and gach-only, so people are buying gacha just to get one.

Magus Wrote:Because it's really fair that Bishops buy all the staffs/wands with all the money they've made from leech, causing them to inflate to the point that the class they where intended for cannot afford them. FFS, I met one bishop on my server who was COLLECTING them and used a different color each day.

There is no reason that Bishops should be able to use these without a penalty, and the only people who think otherwise are the Bishops.

(Also, it should be noted that at the same time the only people who think that Genesis should be left the way it is are Bishops as well.)

draconius Wrote:Trying out socialism in an MMORPG? Maybe another day comrade

loddlaen Wrote:Lol, I'm pretty sure I saw you get called a commie (or close to it) a few times in the past =P coughnoprizesforguessingwhocough

This whole thread makes me laugh. At the end of the day its just a game. People really don't need to get so worked up over something that really doesn't matter. Next thing, people will argue that AM's need HS to complement their solo attacking.
(Oh and @ Magus - I see a crapton a mages of ALL classes selling leech)

draconius Wrote:The point being is that Nexon may well find it in their best interests to keep this thing under wraps. If it was a mistake, then it would be a beneficial mistake, at least from the business model. Archmages will complain, and they might actually complain a bunch, but the number of archmages that will actually quit because of this is far insignificant to the number of bishops that will and the thousands of gach tickets that won't be purchased once the most expensive weapons in the game deflate. It's a lose-lose situation for Nexon to admit error or validate the status quo

draconius Wrote:And you know how many bishops end up collecting them vs. how many Archmages have BOTH ele wands for their class (thus forcing bishops to buy whichever wand they find, be it 6, 8, or 5, and 7)? If I had a penny for each time I saw a bishop do what you said they did, I'd be dirt poor. It's pretty sad to think that you're arguing this solely on the idea that the weapon is "designed" for one class and thus should be able to be PURCHASED by them solely. I suppose it should be illegal for me to ever consider keeping claws, daggers, guns, or swords in my inventory for a prolonged period of time because I should have to sell them to their "rightful" classes. Trying out socialism in an MMORPG? Maybe another day comrade

I like how you've pretty much nailed all the stereotypes about bishops together. Before another thread on Sleepy closed, the OP (of this thread) made the hypocritical declaration that bishops have been pampered and that archmages "barely" outdamage them on neutral monsters. Funny how a calculator shows that max AMPed archmage ultimate exceeds maxed Genesis by 128 base dmg, and that maxed Genesis on Skeles does 1005 to an Archmage's 997.5 w/ ele wand. Archmages almost outdamaging Bishops on a monster bishops are supposed to be GOOD at? NO, they ought to zip right past them! *Wonders if SP has a restriction on starting a 30page "discussion" on Genesis*

The point being is that Nexon may well find it in their best interests to keep this thing under wraps. If it was a mistake, then it would be a beneficial mistake, at least from the business model. Archmages will complain, and they might actually complain a bunch, but the number of archmages that will actually quit because of this is far insignificant to the number of bishops that will and the thousands of gach tickets that won't be purchased once the most expensive weapons in the game deflate. It's a lose-lose situation for Nexon to admit error or validate the status quo, and quite frankly, the sky hasn't fallen on us yet and the current system works. The vast majority of people that are complaining are the ones that think this will benefit them, and this population by far will be majorly disappointed if they consider this course of action a save-all and bishops with ele wands a scapegoat.

Kabanaw Wrote:It's like a combat medic doing as much damage as a heavy right now.

Kabanaw Wrote:Also, what idiot still goes to gacha because they want elemental wands? Sure, they'd be happy if they got one, but nobody goes to gacha because they want to get a wand.

BombsAway Wrote:I would put in my two cents but obviously that's not a possibility. Gotta admit I support this fully not just for accuracy but because I'm tired of Bishops having them. Especially LUKless bishops who leeched their way up and are now seeding to make the money to buy the damn things... that they shouldn't even have! Argh.

ChrissieStar Wrote:Even taking the damage cut, the Ele is an improvement over the Maple Shine Wand, so unless Nexon produces a better weapon for LUKless, I can't see that anything will change, even if they implement the damage decrease.