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Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-08-13
I don't know anymore man. This setup has way too many things going on.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:While it's hard to tell without seeing the exact PMs, those events look consistent to me.
Hypermug Wrote:My ability allows me to see what the target does and who targets them.
On N2 Hyper only watched Simple copy Words' appearance and nothing else, he even says that at the end of the night that Simple looked like Words, at the end of the night.
That leads me to believe that if Hyper isn't lying that Simple used [Copy] on N2. I am pointing this out because if Kyra turns out to be a mafiaso that Hyper might be as well (Which I honestly doubt) a mafiaso getting facts wrong again like you did last game.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
Hypermug Wrote:I'll save LuvD the hassle and answer that for you. He helped kill xBTAx, and going by his previous posts, you would have thought he actually cared about his death. His attack went through if I'm reading my PM correctly, although xBTAx did end up reflecting someone else's attack.
I'm revealing my power now and taking a huge risk, so I apologize everyone. I'd rather be targeted than Words.
The first night I watched Meow. She kissed Kyastri. The second night I watched Simple transform into Words. Last night I watched xBTAx get attacked.
So yeah, no more trusting LuvD.
Here he specifically says transform, not copy.
Hypermug Wrote:I specifically targeted xBTAx because I thought his lack of transparency was suspicious. My ability allows me to see what the target does and who targets them. He saw me and held up his mirror move. Your attack landed, but someone else's was reflected. I wasn't going to say anything, but instead of being 'transparent,' you asked why was he a target and acted surprised he died when you aided in his death to begin with.
We also know his ability is not infallible since xBTAx reflected an attack, but Hyper could not or chose not to identify what it was or who did it.
Hypermug Wrote:Thank you Yoshi. It's been hard for me to reply because I was at work. I just wanted to clarify that my PM specifically mentioned LuvD attacking xBTAx. It did not specify what attacked him later. Sorry for beating this dead horse, but I just want to be as clear as possible.
He also did not know that I showed up after xBTAx was dead to try to watergun xBTAx. Presumably because he didn't stick around watching a dead body.
Night 3's events show at the very least that he does not "see what targets them" unless the other attack somehow counts as targeting the mirror and that Hyper's ability has limitations.
EDIT: Words' watching seems like a watch what they do while Hyper's is mostly watch what is done to them. Getting to see Meow kiss Kyrastri is somewhat anomalous.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Here he specifically says transform, not copy.
You're getting hung up on the commands Simple was supposed to send in. Since transform and copy are basically the same thing. Also, when copying you change yourself into their appearance and copy their moves, yet with transform you just use their appearance and power you don't have to change into them again, that would make no sense with the whole copy their appearance and then store it for use for 3 nights.
Once again why is it that on N2 Hyper only saw Simple copying Words' appearance? It makes no sense, he should have at least seen Simple running off or not even seen Simple when he went to go see him.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
MetaSeraphim Wrote:You're getting hung up on the commands Simple was supposed to send in. Once again why is it that on N2 Hyper only saw Simple copying Words' appearance? It makes no sense, he should have at least seen Simple running off or not even seen Simple when he went to go see him.
Maybe all he has to do is sniff the air? IDKMYBFFJILL
Hyper's ability appears inconsistent or at least operates on a complicated rule set.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-13
Are we allowed to quote PMs word for word?
edit: Assuming no, but still.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Hyper's ability appears inconsistent or at least operates on a complicated rule set.
I edited my post, but. Simple rolePM talks about spending a night to copy the appearance of another Pokemon storing it and using it for 3 nights. Why would Hyper see Simple in the process of copying Words' unless Simple was just lying to finger Kyra or Hyper is lying about what he saw.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
Hypermug Wrote:Are we allowed to quote PMs word for word?
Technically no, but feel free to paraphrase as accurately as possible.
[MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION]; I still think the word transform is important. From the posts I reveiwed, I only was Hyper say he looked like Words not that he ever saw the actual Words at all. If Simple didn't leave for the night to go copy Words, how was he able to take on his appearance and why didn't Hyper see him go to copy Words?
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Technically no, but feel free to paraphrase as accurately as possible.
MetaSeraphim; I still think the word transform is important. From the posts I reveiwed, I only was Hyper say he looked like Words not that he ever saw the actual Words at all. If Simple didn't leave for the night to go copy Words, how was he able to take on his appearance and why didn't Hyper see him go to copy Words?
Figured. The last paraphrase I gave is as good as it can get.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:If Simple didn't leave for the night to go copy Words, how was he able to take on his appearance and why didn't Hyper see him go to copy Words?
Because watchers typically follow their target.
N1: Hyper saw meow go and kiss Kyra
N2: Hyper watched Simple try and finally look like Words at the end of the night
N3: Hyper watched BTA as Luv came and kill him
From this we can at least see that Hyper had to follow meow to go and kiss Kyra.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
[MENTION=22]Hypermug[/MENTION]; Just to clarify, does your PM about Simple say "transform" or "copy" or something else?
[MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION];
So on N1 he follows.
N2 he does not follow OR there is no where to follow.
N3 No where to follow since xBTAx used Mirror Move on himself. Did not see 2nd attacker or identify attack.
[MENTION=7446]Words[/MENTION]; Any idea if your role requires you to change locations to identify alignment?
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Hypermug; Just to clarify, does your PM about Simple say "transform" or "copy" or something else?
MetaSeraphim;
So on N1 he follows.
N2 he does not follow OR there is no where to follow.
N3 No where to follow since xBTAx used Mirror Move on himself. Did not see 2nd attacker or identify attack.
Words; Any idea if your role requires you to change locations to identify alignment?
Yep, "tries to copy Words."
'I watched Simple all night long. It seemed like he was trying to copy Words. By the end of the night, his appearance looked very similar.'
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
Hypermug Wrote:Yep, "tries to copy Words."
'I watched Simple all night long. It seemed like he was trying to copy Words. By the end of the night, his appearance looked very similar.'
Welp looks like my theory is scrapped then. Simple is likely only guessing about Kyrastri which effectively sets us back to square 1. Why the hell did he claim like that? Damn trolls.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Simple is likely only guessing about Kyrastri which effectively sets us back to square 1.
Well I would be the last person to say he couldn't be right. I mean I took a guess on Words back in bad apple mafia and was right, so.
I am gonna go through all of Kyra's posts again and decide.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Welp looks like my theory is scrapped then. Simple is likely only guessing about Kyrastri which effectively sets us back to square 1. Why the hell did he claim like that? Damn trolls.
At the end he started acting scummy out of the blue, like he was a mafia, so who knows. I didn't vote for him because I knew he was telling the truth about being a ditto, but that's all I knew about him.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Well I would be the last person to say he couldn't be right. I mean I took a guess on Words back in bad apple mafia and was right, so.
I am gonna go through all of Kyra's posts again and decide.
Actually, I pointed out Words first iirc and no one believe me until you picked it up
Hypermug Wrote:At the end he started acting scummy out of the blue, like he was a mafia, so who knows. I didn't vote for him because I knew he was telling the truth about being a ditto, but that's all I knew about him.
I just figured either he was lying or some sort of tailor.
If anyone is actually interested in my opinion, I'm looking at Kyrastri, MasPan, LuvD, and maybe Cakes as probable suspects in no particular order.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - Hypermug - 2014-08-13
In most games, what is the percentage of mafia/neutral/town players like? We started with 18 people so how many mafia do you all think there are?
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
Hypermug Wrote:In most games, what is the percentage of mafia/neutral/town players like? We started with 18 people so how many mafia do you all think there are?
I'd guess 3~4 for this game. Maybe 25% mafia, 10% neutral but it varies according to theme sometimes.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - MetaSeraphim - 2014-08-13
VerrKol Wrote:Actually, I pointed out Words first iirc and no one believe me until you picked it up
I honestly don't remember your posts about Words being scummy.
Gen I Pokemon Mafia - Mafia Wins - VerrKol - 2014-08-13
MetaSeraphim Wrote:I honestly don't remember your posts about Words being scummy.
It's immaterial.