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Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - faonkarino - 2014-07-16
I don't even know anymore :v
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Kyrastri - 2014-07-16
Giving up class napping time for this be grateful!! :c
Niernen Wrote:Polantaris; I can't give you enoughWe need more information about Luv's motives to his infections.'s It is pretty convinent for Luv's power to have targeted Shidoshi and him getting killed. He previously stated that he wanted to control the town votes by going after Shidoshi. Controlling the town is not really something someone pro-town would do, especially when we have no idea who the mafia are. If everyone is forced to vote, there will be little scum hunting to actually find the mafia.
[spoiler=Luv's Infecting Record]Night 1: Infects Shidoshi. Shidoshi is killed by Mafia. Unknown if there is a correlation. More motive is needed. Controlling a strong player (in regards to logic/deductions) is very scummy without a clearly depicted motive, because the infected can no longer use their vote to pressure or raise the stakes.
Night 2: Infects VerrKol. Current vote power: 2 Luv's choice to infect VerrKol is a little more obvious. If he believes that VerrKol is scum, it would be the reasonable choice to infect him to cripple the mafia of one vote.
Current Situation:
Given none of the potential infectees and infector die by Town/Mafia hands:
- As of Night 3, Verrkol will infect 1 person (hypothetical Person A), or die. (+1)
- As of Night 3, Luv will infect 1 person (hypothetical Person B), or die. (+1)
- Day 3 vote power: 4
- As of Night 4, VerrKol will infect 1 person (hypothetical Person C), or die. (+1)
- As of Night 4, hypothetical Person A will infect 1 person (Person D), or die. (+1)
- As of Night 4, hypothetical Person B will infect 1 person (Person E), or die. (+1)
- As of Night 4, Luv will infect 1 person (Person F), or die. (+1)
- Day 4 vote power: 8
Luv will have reached majority by Day 4. Even if infected come out and are killed, neither the mafia nor town can contain this unless they act now.
It is most likely that he will be killed during Night 4, if not earlier. While the town benefits because he has declared himself pro-Town, the mafia will definitely consider him a threat.[/spoiler]
Niernen Wrote:Kyrastri; Looks like Shidoshi's was either random or because they were afraid of his deductions. If they left him, it would have been possible he would be lynched for started the Liable vote. Mas was probably lynched because they felt (or knew) he had a strong power. From what I can see at least, it would make sense. Random is also possible.It was most likely the most reasonable choice given the first day's post (for Shidoshi); he had the power to coerce and convince people to lynch Liable, which is a testament to his persuasion and logic.
As for MasPan, the power theory makes sense, since if Meta was roleblocked it's obvious that the Mafia are trying to contain the potentially powerful speech-restricted players.
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meowmixx Wrote:@Niernen; sorry if my posts aren't the best in ur prospective. im trying really hard, honest.
i still hold my stink eye on faon tho that im 100% on. a little lesser suss is that verrkol is working with him. but im not going to push my beliefs to anyone. just voicing my suspicions i guess
tht is all
For something that you claim to be 100% on I hope you're doing more than just 'voicing your suspicions'.
But the others are right in that you've been posting more than some people but overall have not contributed much. Your previous scumhunting all lacked substantial evidence and relied on meta-gaming, which is surprising since we're already at the second half of Day 3. From what I've seen, you've gotten a little more direction, so that's good I suppose
LuvDWayULie Wrote:TheBirds is being quiet again.. but maybe it's his way of surviving.From his reveal, which I'm inclined to believe, TheBirds has no real motive to post if all he needs to do is survive. It's more than likely that he hasn't thought of anything to contribute, having claimed pro-town, and would rather only speak up when something is amiss. We've seen from his earlier posts that he is willing to talk, and to be generally helpful, but only if it's something that has yet to be brought up.
faonkarino Wrote:Kyra, you have to be aware that those reasons can actually intersect. When I was mafia last game, there some planning of the consequences of killing someone, but it wasn't rocket science, specially in the first two, three days.I guess I've tried to keep theories relatively separate for clarity, but I want you to know that I have considered it. I don't want to muddle everything I've got and end up writing redundant paragraphs, since my posts are already long in comparison to others and I'm a little tight on time now that I have school again.
Overall I'm a little hesitant in lynching people I suppose; in a perfect world I'd want to be sure of the people that I'm voting for. Especially after my guilt fest in lynching Luv last game (QQ sorry man), I think I've given more authority to my gut feeling this game rather than to results. So I'll say now that I don't believe faon to be mafia, but if the odds stack up against him it might become a case where logic prevails again. Generally, I'm going to need more than "he was mafia last game@!" to vote someone who has been so helpful to town off.
I view it as such:
- mafia under the guise of a helpful townie still helps town in discussion; ideally we should all be suspect of each other during discussions regardless unless we have concrete proof (I'm talking death reveal-level concrete). As such, helpful mafia is still better than unhelpful townie/neutral/mafia.
I am very prepared to scoff my words, but that's my view on the 'helpful mafia' situation. Discussion this game has generally been pretty awesome, especially given the confusing nature of this game, and my scum radar hasn't exactly gone blaring off.
I want to know more about the more silents'/vague stances; ultimately I'm incredibly wary of people who post but contribute little to discussion at this point in the game, and I encourage others to do the same.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - meowmixx - 2014-07-16
Good evening my fellow townies, mafia goonies, and neutral wormies. I have tried this past day to figure out my next move. You see I am in a big pickle. And boy was i shocked to see that I lived past night 3 to be honest. I have crunched numbers, theories, everything. Sadly it comes back to me being dead tonight. So with a heavy burden off my chest (I have been going ape pomegranate worrying what to do), I would like to role claim. I am the researcher, or a cop i guess. I really didn't want to claim. I was hoping after defending Meta with a crappy excuse a fellow townie would be like HMMM. But that would also put me on the radar with the baddies. I am not that great with convincing others, because as Luv said, if you are a townie there is no reason to lie. But in my pickle I couldnt be so forth coming for obvious reasons. I don't believe in forcing my beliefs on others nor do I follow the beliefs of others. I do my absolute best to follow my instincts without the outside influence of others. I was suspicious of Meta on the first day. So strange his speech. I used my ability on night 1. Came up a townie, hence why I protected when he couldn't protect himself well. On day 2 I was fishy of Luv. Always on my mind. I knew he wasn't townie. So I voted in hopes of knowing more. Sadly this was during his nappy time which I apologize for. I know how it is to read pages of eye-crossing theories at 4am, so to read AND defend can be quite taxing. This lead to him wanting to use his power on day 3, since Maspan was killed during the night. During the night I looked at every one of you while stroking Kyra's stache (lol). Faon stood out to me since he made my head hurt. Stupid reason I know but hey. It was a late decision too. Unlike Meta which took no time for me to decide, for Faon it took me mere 2 hrs BEFORE daytime to start to make my decision. And what do I get....a naughty mafia. I tried to share this. Truly I did. I almost wanted Luv to handle it but it just didn't seem right. Make the bed you sleep in eh. That is why I voted for Faon. You can choose to follow or not. ~off to walk the dog with a lighter heart. how do you guys deal with the pressure LOL
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - faonkarino - 2014-07-16
meowmixx Wrote:Good evening my fellow townies, mafia goonies, and neutral wormies. I have tried this past day to figure out my next move. You see I am in a big pickle. And boy was i shocked to see that I lived past night 3 to be honest. I have crunched numbers, theories, everything. Sadly it comes back to me being dead tonight. So with a heavy burden off my chest (I have been going ape pomegranate worrying what to do), I would like to role claim. I am the researcher, or a cop i guess. I really didn't want to claim. I was hoping after defending Meta with a crappy excuse a fellow townie would be like HMMM. But that would also put me on the radar with the baddies. I am not that great with convincing others, because as Luv said, if you are a townie there is no reason to lie. But in my pickle I couldnt be so forth coming for obvious reasons. I don't believe in forcing my beliefs on others nor do I follow the beliefs of others. I do my absolute best to follow my instincts without the outside influence of others. I was suspicious of Meta on the first day. So strange his speech. I used my ability on night 1. Came up a townie, hence why I protected when he couldn't protect himself well. On day 2 I was fishy of Luv. Always on my mind. I knew he wasn't townie. So I voted in hopes of knowing more. Sadly this was during his nappy time which I apologize for. I know how it is to read pages of eye-crossing theories at 4am, so to read AND defend can be quite taxing. This lead to him wanting to use his power on day 3, since Maspan was killed during the night. During the night I looked at every one of you while stroking Kyra's stache (lol). Faon stood out to me since he made my head hurt. Stupid reason I know but hey. It was a late decision too. Unlike Meta which took no time for me to decide, for Faon it took me mere 2 hrs BEFORE daytime to start to make my decision. And what do I get....a naughty mafia. I tried to share this. Truly I did. I almost wanted Luv to handle it but it just didn't seem right. Make the bed you sleep in eh. That is why I voted for Faon. You can choose to follow or not. ~off to walk the dog with a lighter heart. how do you guys deal with the pressure LOL
Welp, I guess mafia has a tailor then. Not a big surprise. I kind of suspected that ever since Shidoshi's death, and that was what made me suspect even more there were redirectors and bus drivers for start.
You can kill me if you want to, I don't care.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-16
[MENTION=12295]meowmixx[/MENTION]; Well thank you for that. Looking over your posts in hindsight, I do see what you were trying to do, it was just hard to grasp at the time. Protecting Meta did make you look a bit suspicious because it looked at first like mafia protecting mafia, and then meta-gaming Faon is why I did not take you seriously before. Since I highly doubt you are mafia trying to claim cop it looks like we have a very good idea of who to contain tonight. And don't worry, hopefully the doctor will protect you and you can do some more research.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-16
Firstly, thanks Holypie for believing in me. I read your long posts and I agreed with it.
To Kyra, as I said earlier, my earliest intention was to control all Townies to vote against the mafia. I know it does sounds scummy but I didn't think it was until Day 2. I infected Shidoshi because he was one of the most vocal players at that time, with perfectly logical deductions. That fitted my initial plan, so I infected him. Then, at Day 2, I changed my plan instead. Clear enough?
Oh, so meow is a cop? This is interesting!
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-07-16
Hey I kinda defended meta before
.Well guess we know what to do next, lets go with the old test. [Vote][MENTION=13694]faonkarino[/MENTION];, if he turns out to be mafia we have a good thing going for us, since she said she already claimed to see meta as innocent townie she cant be insane, so if faon isnt mafia then meow has to be.
Edit: If the mafia had a tailor I dont see why they would they go after you specifically? No one really had their eye that much on you before iirc.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-16
I'd have to agree with Olsi, I don't see why the mafia would taloir Faon and not someone that had more supicion on them. For now I'll also
I'm off to a movie now so
[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION]; save you power for now, no point in kamikazeing yourself.
edit: I'll wait for Faon's response and see what he has to say, probably should not jump into it too fast.
double edit: I hope to god Meow is sane...
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - meowmixx - 2014-07-16
[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION]; you have no idea how hard it was to not blow it. this whole time i've been flapping around figuring out what to.
i don't know if i am insane or not. i did try to take that into consideration. but i see things at face value. if i am told in a PM someone is inno then they are inno. if they are mafia they are mafia. i can only hope that i am not insane
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-16
meowmixx Wrote:Niernen; you have no idea how hard it was to not blow it. this whole time i've been flapping around figuring out what to.
I actually believe your results, meow.
Niernen, okay, okay. Not using it today, although we have a more solid suspect now.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - meowmixx - 2014-07-16
thanks
ima go play league now and get some sleep. good hustle ppl!
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - faonkarino - 2014-07-16
So you vote for me without waiting my response?
Good, good.
Give me a minute, I'm in the middle of a match here.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Olsi - 2014-07-16
The idea of a tailor does complicate things though, since if meow is lying we will never know as it normally changes the death character reveal.
Ill keep the vote on unless faon can convince me otherwise
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - VerrKol - 2014-07-16
Olsi Wrote:Edit: If the mafia had a tailor I dont see why they would they go after you specifically? No one really had their eye that much on you before iirc.
This logic could work either way. Why would meow investigate Faon since he was largely unsuspicious?
[MENTION=12295]meowmixx[/MENTION]; What exactly did your PM say? Does it say only that he is mafia? Does it include role information (to cross reference)? Just trying to confirm before I jump on the lynch train.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - ChaoticCJ - 2014-07-16
I can't really respond too much because I am in class, but I am trying to keep up.
I do tend to believe meow, and will [vote]faonkarino. I'll change my vote if faonkarino can make a convincing argument, but part of this vote is to save Luv as well.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - CakesXD - 2014-07-16
Finally, a new development!
I don't really see why the supposed Tailor would go for faon unless they were meta-gaming, but I really do want to believe meow's results.
As for my own suspicions:
Meta: Never suspected of being anything but Town, though I do wonder where Meta's voice/power went. If we do believe meow's results, then Meta is a Townie.
Niernen: Has been very helpful to Town, not suspicious of him at the moment.
CJ: Has posted here and there, but strikes me as a Neutral for some reason.
VerrKol: Not enough information.
Polantaris: Has been aggressive this game, but helpful to Town. Still a bit suspicious.
Luv: Self-claimed Neutral, no reason to not believe him at the moment.
HolyPie: Haven't gotten a good read, but even if he is Mafia, like Niernen said, going after him while not letting him defend himself is ridiculously scummy.
TheBirds: Self-claimed Neutral with no powers.
Kyrastri: Very helpful to Town, not suspicious at the moment.
faon: I didn't suspect him of anything at first, but with meow's claim, I'm not sure. Why would a Tailor target him in the first place?
Olsi: Same as VerrKol.
meow: Role-claimed cop, and I don't have much reason to not believe her.
As for me, you're welcome to believe what you like, but I am a Townie.
VerrKol Wrote:This logic could work either way. Why would meow investigate Faon since he was largely unsuspicious?
meowmixx Wrote:During the night I looked at every one of you while stroking Kyra's stache (lol). Faon stood out to me since he made my head hurt.
Sounds like a Role-related power.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - meowmixx - 2014-07-16
gosh i hate these penta hungry yi's... ANYWAY to the task at hand.
meowmix: once a night u can research a person to know a bit of their documentation
Dear meowmixx,
from meta's documentation he is a townie
Dear meowmixx,
from faon documentation he is a baddie whos associates r @$%^&^%$#$%^&
*i only said about kyra's stache cuz its the thinking stache... and faon's long detailed posts were too much to make my brain hurt with comprehension. nothing to do with role powers
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - faonkarino - 2014-07-16
Niernen Wrote:meowmixx; Well thank you for that. Looking over your posts in hindsight, I do see what you were trying to do, it was just hard to grasp at the time. Protecting Meta did make you look a bit suspicious because it looked at first like mafia protecting mafia, and then meta-gaming Faon is why I did not take you seriously before. Since I highly doubt you are mafia trying to claim cop it looks like we have a very good idea of who to contain tonight. And don't worry, hopefully the doctor will protect you and you can do some more research.I'll wait to see what Faon has to say about this before I vote since we have plenty of time.Okay, I saw faon's post. A tailor hm? Why would the mafia tailor you?
You know what, pineapple this. I tried to think through the whole League game I was playing of something but I could not. Not in a game where everyone has a power role and a miller would be unthinkable of. Not in a game where the verbs used to act also change. Too much to think on so little time. So, I give up.
You got me. I am mafia. Woo.
Not one vote, not one finger pointed, not one strong suspicion, nothing. I was playing flawlessly (AGAIN). And then, because of meta gaming, I was investigated. Out of all people, me.
I never frowned meta gaming, but this... How do I say this? Basing an investigation SOLELY on meta gaming? I mean, my text made your "head hurt"?
This is the second time I die to a newbie townie that did something he shouldn't and yet, boom, right on target. And the 1st was pretty recent. You see, cops were supposed to innocent (or further incriminate) people close to getting lynched, or even someone heavily implied, even if they were not voted at all. For all anyone could gather, I was a helpful pro-town. There was no need at all to investigate me.
And then this.
Well, since I'm already dead, let me tell you a story. Let me tell you of the 1st time I died because a townie made a mistake but actually won the prize.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-16
Nicely played, faon, seriously haha.
And meow, you should not copy paste your PMs. It's against the rules and I'm afraid Vlad will not be happy
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-16
meowmixx Wrote:this is all copied pasted. nothing left behind okies:
I really hope that does not get you disqualified for breaking the rules.
And at this time, is there even a point in voting?
Back to [Vote][MENTION=13694]faonkarino[/MENTION]; then.