user Wrote:So I got this on my Xenon...



I'm wondering whether I should keep it or not, considering I'm limited to ~500 circulators per day I get from Azwan.
Coupled with the Mechanic card, having this inner ability is certainly helpful as it increases the duration of OOPArts Code from 45 seconds to -> 66.15 seconds (with server lag, up to 70 seconds).
It also shortens the time I need to wait for Amaranth Generator (13.85 seconds theoretically, and with server lag, down to 9 seconds).

I was also considering the alternative of circulating to a line of 15% critical rate, which would bring me up to 95% without any %crit potentials on my weapons. Would any Xenon be able to share some insight on what is the most optimal inner ability for this class?

user Wrote:So I got this on my Xenon...



I'm wondering whether I should keep it or not, considering I'm limited to ~500 circulators per day I get from Azwan.
Coupled with the Mechanic card, having this inner ability is certainly helpful as it increases the duration of OOPArts Code from 45 seconds to -> 66.15 seconds (with server lag, up to 70 seconds).
It also shortens the time I need to wait for Amaranth Generator (13.85 seconds theoretically, and with server lag, down to 9 seconds).

I was also considering the alternative of circulating to a line of 15% critical rate, which would bring me up to 95% without any %crit potentials on my weapons. Would any Xenon be able to share some insight on what is the most optimal inner ability for this class?

CarrionCrow Wrote:Given how the normal circulators can bring you down the ranks and that they can't get you to legendary I'd say that is pretty decent.

Personally I think I'd use the NX circs if I hit unique with the free ones, it is really to dang frustrating ending up back at rare with the prospect of not getting back to unique in hundreds of circs.
Legendary is where the really useful bonuses are at anyway.

hadriel Wrote:For a non-Legendary skill, given that Xenons don't have an innate +maxcritdmg skill, %BD is the best. %Boss is rubbish because of the way the damage stacks. Even allstat or WA might be better than %Boss.

With this current setup, you should have very little downtime of low supply. I'd just consider it as part of the ball game.

Hadriel

user Wrote:I agree, it's really frustrating when I finally hit unique ability only to be downgraded back to epic/rare after using a few circulators from getting nothing useful. And I don't intend to invest nx to obtain legendary ability, so I think I will keep the buff duration. Thanks for your opinion.




I forgot to mention that I have +15% max crit damage from Decent SE, but my presumption is that it isn't a large enough increase to make a small %crit rate increase significant in my damage output.
Also, if it is not too much to ask, would you mind elaborating on the bolded section of your comment? (And if possible, would you be able to provide numbers? I am interested in the mathematics behind that claim.)

Even Wrote:Believe they also removed the chance of getting critical lines, at least on unique. You're meant to get up to 10-11% critical and I've used about 100 circulators on unique rank, still the best I got was 13% drop rate. Could be totally wrong on this but I HATE this new inner ability, its only good for those that want to aim for attack speed and for the rest its kinda sucky (apart from the fixed numbers of stat ofc).

edit: Could someone tell me if having 10-20% more critical on a xenon is more beneficial than 5-10% boss dmg?

[MENTION=5956]hadriel[/MENTION] can you help on this?

I currently have this of total dmg/boss (note that my weapons are still not cubed, so Im looking into gaining another 90% boss/total dmg in the future, however after nerf xenon lose 40% total dmg on skills)

60% multilatern
80% opatz code
15% ds link
10% da link
11% char cards
3% Da card
27% rank 11-50 dojo glove (I know I suck for now )


I also have decent se, meaning it bumps my avg crit dmg to 1.5x

Was also thinking of aiming for 32% buff duration. After Xenon nerf the duration of opatz will be down to 30 sec, having 20% from mechanic card and 32% will bump it up to pre nerf duration and I can also get the 20% from empathy (as perviously asked, it will probably be the same as the current empathy but it caps at 20% instead of 30%).

What I really mean is that before the nerf criticals looks more appealing that boss dmg, and afterwards buff duration looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more appealing than either one of them. Opatz has annoying long cast time and duration buffed by 102% (assuming I get 50% on legendary obviously) will mean I'll have it up with all 20 energy charges over 66% of the time. This also helps my decent ability skills (since a miss doesnt seem to be a miss in ems, you cant change equips even if a target misses on you)

So what do you guys think? Aim for buff duration and eventually cube for legendary or try getting criticals?

hadriel Wrote:Given that you have DSE, as you said your average crit damage is 1.5x, at the limit of 90% crit, another 10% crit will give you an increase in DPS of about 3.45%. This is the absolute minimum increase in DPS (7.14% starting at 80% crit for a 20% crit rate increase), and this number will increase as your actual crit rate decreases. Assuming Linear Perspective still gives 40% crit rate, with DSE and Hyper Crit and Phantom Link you're standing at 75% crit, so a 10-20% increase in crit rate from here is about 3.64% - 7.27%.

Let's take the pre-nerfed Xenon numbers, but I note you missed out Hypers and Kanna contributions (didn't include Kanna here): 60+80+15+10+11+3+27+20 = 226%, or a damage factor of 3.26. An additional 5-10%Boss would bring that damage factor up to 3.31-3.36, so it's an increase of about 1.53-3.07% DPS. This number will go up after nerf because of a lower starting damage factor, so losing 40% from OOPArt and Multilaterals will bring the increase in DPS up to 1.75-3.50%. One should also note that with OOPArt and Multilateral I-VI alone pre-nerf, that's 140% already (or 160% with Hypers), so the diminishing return sets in strongly right from the onset, at 2.08-4.17% (1.92-3.85% with Hypers); after nerf those numbers are 2.50-5.00% (4.17-8.33% with Hypers). You have lost half of the effectiveness of that 5-10%Boss right from the start.

JoeTang has raised this point before: should you use your points in your Xenon energy gauge, or should you try to keep it maxed for the extra damage? You will often use Amaranth Generator and Extra Supply for the purposes of full recasting, so half the time you will be on full gauge, and half the time you will be on empty/charging up if we consider the rebuffing of OOPArt only and you having about 50%BD from Mechanic card and IA. A recharge rate of 60% per instance of you being attacked is pretty high (idk about multi-hit skills) so think about it. If the map has a rope, then casting delay becomes a moot point, but this is very situation-dependent. I can see the benefits of keeping your gauge maxed, but I have my reservations about just how much more or less those benefits are compared to swapping out the %BD IA for crit rate - I've not played a Xenon before so I cannot do those numbers.

Hadriel

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Wouldn't SI be the best thing for xenon? (In L-tier)

Even Wrote:Xenon has Fast (5) before booster, its better to get decent si or MPE green potion to reach attack speed cap rather than wasting inner ability lines.

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:not sure if even tradeable or how expensive they are.

Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:Don't have MPE potions, not sure if even tradeable or how expensive they are.

Rather not cube a glove for SI due to cost + the hassle of switching it constantly

Not sure how difficult it is, but if SI and boss or SI + whatever else is good for xenon lands on the same IA isn't too bad, that's my goal.

CakesXD Wrote:

pineapple YEAH. GO pineapple YOURSELF AZWAN, NEVER COMING BACK HERE AGAIN.

only took 6000+ circulators

Wired Wrote:It might have been posted already, but how do you get that many circulators?

Niernen Wrote:When is bonus time est again?