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[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Phoenix - 2010-06-27
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Enough about Night Lords.
To the Dark Knights high enough to use Berserk in training how do you feel about Berserk now working in reverse?
I'm sure any washed Dark Knight is holding their breath to see how the changes in HP will port over in an official version before they can fully decide.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - byakugan - 2010-06-27
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Enough about Night Lords.
To the Dark Knights high enough to use Berserk in training how do you feel about Berserk now working in reverse?
You mean that if your HP is 70% or higher you get the berserker damage bonus?
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - MetaSeraphim - 2010-06-27
Apparently so.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - jhkplaya888 - 2010-06-27
i ment to say we WERE the worst, sorry for all the fuss. I didn't word it correctly so everyone would get it T_T. I have been shown proof that we dont suck any more. But before this patch we are the lowest dps ranged class and we do have to beg for SE to get any decent dmg and training is a _____ insert negative word thereT_T
Loose Wrote:That's why their Avenger needs to be toned down?
Worst ranged class? Besides having truckloads of damage, you have insane mobility that no other ranged class can compare to. Mobility doesn't mean squat on a immobile boss like zak and ht.
Let's give them low weapon attack so that Weapon Attack modifiers give more to them and if it's a potion (or Onyx Apple), let's make it last more!
They'll be training as fast as hell with this new Avenger. I know i was taking about our old sorta useless avenger...
If you're so happy with this, why are you "bawwing"? I am not bawwing, i am satisfied with the revamp.
You never had Sharp Eyes, that's an Archer skill. And they still have it, they can still buff you with it!
Sharpeyes is nerfed for all, its not as effective as before.
i edited my previous post...should solve that issue.
jhkplaya888 Wrote:All statements from here are old NLs, maplestory 1.0
More like haha, lets make NLs the worst ranged class and make them beg for SE. Give them alch so they can atleast boss....but watch them cry in pain as they attempt to train.
All statements from here are the new 2.0 maplestory
I am actually happy with what they did. They gave us decent attack and we sorta only lost some unique-ness like our sp and fj and lost uber SE.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - sicnarf - 2010-06-27
As someone who has both a hero and drk...I don't really mind. It takes away from the dynamic of what a dark knight was before, but in the end I won't lose sleep over it.
(Side note: I always wanted them to reimplement zerk to not work as either on-or-off, but uhh...if you're under 50%, 200% damage. 75%+ = 100% damage, and between 50% and 75% HP is somewhere between 200% and 100% damage, depending on how much HP you have exactly. I guess I can keep dreaming.)
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - vx-2 - 2010-06-27
well tmrw is monday/ tues/ wednesday. Let's see what are the changes ^_^
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Peyhwa - 2010-06-27
jhkplaya888 Wrote:i ment to say we WERE the worst, sorry for all the fuss. I didn't word it correctly so everyone would get it T_T. I have been shown proof that we dont suck any more. But before this patch we are the lowest dps ranged class and we do have to beg for SE to get any decent dmg and training is a _____ insert negative word thereT_T
i edited my previous post...should solve that issue.
the issue is, even when the NLs aare as u claimed to be the worst dps ranged class, u are still much better than some other classes in terms of dps~!
so regardless of ur old or new post, ur complaints are juz signs of wanting more, in simpler terms, greed.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Kalovale - 2010-06-27
jhkplaya888 Wrote:i ment to say we WERE the worst, sorry for all the fuss. I didn't word it correctly so everyone would get it T_T. I have been shown proof that we dont suck any more. But before this patch we are the lowest dps ranged class and we do have to beg for SE to get any decent dmg and training is a _____ insert negative word thereT_T
Losing benefits from something also takes away your dependence on it. If you dislike begging for SE so much, wouldn't it make you happy, though slightly sadistic it may seem, for that skill to be taken away from both yourself AND your competitors?
Post-318's changes to NLs seem all positive to me.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Alloy - 2010-06-27
Loose Wrote:That's why their Avenger needs to be toned down?
Worst ranged class? Besides having truckloads of damage, you have insane mobility that no other ranged class can compare to.
Let's give them low weapon attack so that Weapon Attack modifiers give more to them and if it's a potion (or Onyx Apple), let's make it last more!
They'll be training as fast as hell with this new Avenger.
If you're so happy with this, why are you "bawwing"?
Decent attack? It's not decent, it's superb!
Flash Jumps are different. : 3
You never had Sharp Eyes, that's an Archer skill. And they still have it, they can still buff you with it!
Baklava Wrote:Stop feeding him while he complains about NLs, he just doesn't understand how good they actually are. He's just looking at the numbers and not the formulas behind the numbers.
People seriously need to know when people complain about old, and about new.
The guy complains the current situation, and has nothing wrong with the future one. Right now, it's simply like this: We are the weakest ranged class on our own, Onyx apple makes it a bit more even, and Sharp eyes makes us broken. That's ridiculous. I'd prefer for Sharp eyes to simply buff us a little, and be average all the time. And hey! That's what they made! In fact, they even made us do more stable damage! What's not to like? It fixes both issues and makes us more balanced.
HOWEVER, I agree, avenger should be toned down a bit. Should still override lucky seven, though, gives some variety to those 3rd jobbers.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Cheesecake - 2010-06-27
jhkplaya888 Wrote:All statements from here are old NLs, maplestory 1.0
More like haha, lets make NLs the worst ranged class and make them beg for SE. Give them alch so they can atleast boss....but watch them cry in pain as they attempt to train.
All statements from here are the new 2.0 maplestory
I am actually happy with what they did. They gave us decent attack and we sorta only lost some unique-ness like our sp and fj and lost uber SE.
Quote:[SIZE="3"]More like haha, lets make NLs the worst ranged class and make them beg for SE.[/SIZE]
Quote:[SIZE="5"] lets make NLs the worst ranged class and make them beg for SE.[/SIZE]
Quote:[SIZE="6"] lets make NLs the worst ranged class [/SIZE]
Quote:[SIZE="7"] worst ranged class[/SIZE]
So mages don't even count as ranged classes anymore? :f6:
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Eos - 2010-06-27
If we're going into another of these circular arguments about superiority and who's more greatly wronged by things that haven't even happened yet this thread is going for another time out and might not be coming back this time.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Dusk - 2010-06-27
Cheesecake Wrote:So mages don't even count as ranged classes anymore? :f6:
No actually, mages have never been considered ranged classes.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Alloy - 2010-06-27
Eosian Wrote:If we're going into another of these circular arguments about superiority and who's more greatly wronged by things that haven't even happened yet this thread is going for another time out and might not be coming back this time.
I'm trying my best to keep things peaceful, just pointing out the stuff I think that feels what it is. Though I sometimes wonder if I just fuel it just more... Hard to see from my own side. So sorry if that's the case D:
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Dual - 2010-06-27
I am still curious to see a new Paladin in action. All that defense... mmmm...
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Loose - 2010-06-27
DualReaver Wrote:I am still curious to see a new Paladin in action. All that defense... mmmm...I plan on making a Page to explore the new changes that come in this patch. I'm looking forward to all that new, delicious, juicy defense!
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Piggy 2.0 - 2010-06-27
Loose Wrote:I plan on making a Page to explore the new changes that come in this patch. I'm looking forward to all that new, delicious, juicy defense!
Same here, bro. Though people keep calling me a bandwagoner for doing so. ;_;
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - DeanNim - 2010-06-27
Piggy 2.0 Wrote:Same here, bro. Though people keep calling me a bandwagon for doing so. ;_;
Same here, bro. But i just do it anyway.. now a level 37 lawlar/lolinfighter. Doin it slow and steady to get all those level limited quest items.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Zacairga - 2010-06-27
Honestly, I wish they'd leave our skills at their original dmg and take Shadow partner away... Flash Jump is a Godesnd, though, that can stay.
If they wanted to give us a second skill give us Meso Up. That + PP + ME would be awesome.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - IllegallySane - 2010-06-27
Zacairga Wrote:Honestly, I wish they'd leave our skills at their original dmg and take Shadow partner away... Flash Jump is a Godesnd, though, that can stay.
If they wanted to give us a second skill give us Meso Up. That + PP + ME would be awesome.
Meso Explosion doesn't care about the meso amount anymore. 10 mesos deal as much damage as 50,000 mesos.
[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben - Arroz - 2010-06-27
IllegallySane Wrote:Meso Explosion doesn't care about the meso amount anymore. 10 mesos deal as much damage as 50,000 mesos.
its 180 dmg per meso correct? Or care to elaborate~