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[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Jellyflower - 2010-07-02
Why are people still complaining about dark nights? 80% berserk (healable now), 90% mastery compared to hero's 70%, paladin's normal 70% (90% acb), innate critical, 30 att dragon blood at all time (not sure if hex will further boost it to 40 or not), beholder's revenge. Since they took away swing and stab, I'm guessing crusher and fury will be the same for both spear and polearm, but you'll have to compete with arans but still, that's still a huge change and advantage.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - MetaSeraphim - 2010-07-02
Jellyflower Wrote:Why are people still complaining about dark nights?
What is a Dark Night? And, you have to play a Dark Knight to understand why the people in this thread that are Dark Knights are complaining.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Jellyflower - 2010-07-02
I have a level 183 dark knight myself which I use to cwkpq, scar/targa with. Yes I hate berserk but it still doesn't warrant people to always whine about the entire class in general. HB itself is a godsend and enough to make up for their lack of dps. (Even though dks actually have higher dps than heroes with the right buffs)
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - ImagineAll - 2010-07-02
Jellyflower Wrote:I have a level 183 dark knight myself which I use to cwkpq, scar/targa with. Yes I hate berserk but it still doesn't warrant people to always whine about the entire class in general. HB itself is a godsend and enough to make up for their lack of dps. (Even though dks actually have higher dps than heroes with the right buffs)For me the problem lies in that we're not getting anything all that special. Heros got brandish in third job and BS in fourth, an attack with not only crazy range but damage as well, while all we're getting is some critical and a slightly refurbished gameplay style that we've had since before fourth job. Cool, we get a floaty eye that doesn't do much. *Twilight fan girl scream*
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Takebacker - 2010-07-02
ImagineAll Wrote:Cool, we get a floaty eye that doesn't do much. *Twilight fan girl scream*
That floaty eye lets out an extra 700% damage to a mob of monsters every 5 seconds which iirc is much more than un-zerked crusher and you don't think that's a huge improvement?
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - ImagineAll - 2010-07-02
Takebacker Wrote:That floaty eye lets out an extra 700% damage to a mob of monsters every 5 seconds which iirc is much more than un-zerked crusher and you don't think that's a huge improvement?Except that it's passive and boring. Also, if my memory serves me correctly, that still doesn't hold up to Heros and Paladins DPS.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Random_Overlord - 2010-07-02
ImagineAll Wrote:Except that it's passive and boring. Also, if my memory serves me correctly, that still doesn't hold up to Heros and Paladins DPS.
Still many Dark knights won't understand this and will be like:
![[Image: 729690-sad_batman_super.jpg]](http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/729690-sad_batman_super.jpg)
Wii g0tz nuf3d....
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Takebacker - 2010-07-02
ImagineAll Wrote:Except that it's passive and boring. Also, if my memory serves me correctly, that still doesn't hold up to Heros and Paladins DPS.
Passive damage boosts are always awesome.
FA being changed to instant cast was one of the best things for warriors in general and no one's complaining about that. Yet DrKs find a way to complain about the same exact kind of damage boost except it's more than 4x stronger than FA on a single target and it mobs. O_o I'd be pumped for that kind of thing especially after seeing it hit 100k+ damage in that one video...
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - ImagineAll - 2010-07-02
Takebacker Wrote:Passive damage boosts are always awesome.Still, you can't see how that pales in comparison to Heros and Paladin changes? I get what we're getting, I really do. I just don't find it nearly as interesting when I feel as if I'm playing the same class I started in 06.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Shidoshi - 2010-07-02
ImagineAll Wrote:Still, you can't see how that pales in comparison to Heros and Paladin changes? I get what we're getting, I really do. I just don't find it nearly as interesting when I feel as if I'm playing the same class I started in 06.
basically, you don't want your class to be competitive with Hero/Pala, you primarily want to feel "refreshed" with your class (new skills and stuff) and not just damage boosts.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - ImagineAll - 2010-07-02
Shidoshi Wrote:basically, you don't want your class to be competitive with Hero/Pala, you primarily want to feel "refreshed" with your class (new skills and stuff) and not just damage boosts.More or less. I've always found bossing damage to be irrelevant when my class has long since been considered a support class despite how powerful they are under certain conditions. Third job we had crusher. Saders had Combo and Power Strike. Fourth job came and we got berzerk and a floating eye ball. Saders got Brandish and AC. Now we're getting an attacking eyeball, while they get a new and powerful attack. Some change on our end would be nice.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - MetaSeraphim - 2010-07-02
Jellyflower Wrote:doesn't warrant people to always whine about the entire class in general.
Not all that many people are whining. Except those two fools who said they would never play they Dark Knights again because of the changes.
Jellyflower Wrote:HB itself is a godsend and enough to make up for their lack of dps.
No.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Dusk - 2010-07-02
All they really need to do is give Crusher and Fury a new animation when you hit 4th job and put the DPS about on-par with Heroes (not sure if it is atm). It doesn't make much sense to complain about the playstyle being boring. Wasn't 3rd job out when you guys chose to make your DKs? The playstyle hasn't changed much since then. Heroes have the same boring Rush->spam one skill pattern. At least DrKs can use both Crusher and Fury (and maybe Sacrifice) now.
I don't really see the need for anything beyond an animation change. It's not like spamming Brave Slash is more interesting than spamming Brandish.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-07-02
Dusk Wrote:All they really need to do is give Crusher and Fury a new animation when you hit 4th job and put the DPS about on-par with Heroes (not sure if it is atm). It doesn't make much sense to complain about the playstyle being boring. Wasn't 3rd job out when you guys chose to make your DKs? The playstyle hasn't changed much since then. Heroes have the same boring Rush->spam one skill pattern. At least DrKs can use both Crusher and Fury (and maybe Sacrifice) now.
I don't really see the need for anything beyond an animation change. It's not like spamming Brave Slash is more interesting than spamming Brandish.
Maybe...make Dark Force colour Crusher and Fury Black and give a black aura to the character when they're used.
Oh, and they could make the weapons have a crimson glow/aura when Dark Force is activated. Of course, Crusher and Fury's aesthetics should override this effect.
Oh, and they could make the weapons have a crimson glow/aura when Dark Force is activated. Of course, Crusher and Fury's aesthetics should override this effect.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Kalovale - 2010-07-03
Yeah seriously, guys. We got:
- Mastery: 9% DPS increase
- 30% higher critRate: 10.5% DPS increase
- 30atk Dragon Blood
- 100% potential damage on Spear Fury
and all that brought up to almost matching Hero/Paladin in a big mob of infinite HP! Hooray!
Bossing? You can have 620% dmg Sacrifice but let's hope you aren't too strong to be dealing over 81818 damage while right now you can already do over 270k per Crusher.
No, I'm not a damage whore. I'm contented with these changes, I just WISH I wouldn't have to be ploughing the spear like an idiot, time to hunt Purple Surfboard, I guess.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Arroz - 2010-07-03
unpleasable fanbase is unpleasable
Drks are heroes with a dam good pt skill. Let heroes keep their marginally better dps considering what you guys already have and pally's over there with tha godmode If anything you're class is the most complete in terms of tweaking considering any discrepancies between the two weapons types are gone. Heroes and pallys are still stuck to swords only for the fact that axes and blunts still suck due to their slower speeds and now lower multipliers. It would be nice if they had something special bout them
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - JoeTang - 2010-07-03
Kalovale Wrote:Yeah seriously, guys. We got:
- Mastery: 9% DPS increase
- 30% higher critRate: 10.5% DPS increase
- 30atk Dragon Blood
- 100% potential damage on Spear Fury
and all that brought up to almost matching Hero/Paladin in a big mob of infinite HP! Hooray!
Bossing? You can have 620% dmg Sacrifice but let's hope you aren't too strong to be dealing over 81818 damage while right now you can already do over 270k per Crusher.
No, I'm not a damage whore. I'm contented with these changes, I just WISH I wouldn't have to be ploughing the spear like an idiot, time to hunt Purple Surfboard, I guess.
Hero doesn't have a big mobbing skill. Crusher is literally useless. Fury is pomegranate compared to ACB.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Random_Overlord - 2010-07-03
I want concentrate to lose the cooldown. Or at least give it a 5 min cooldown so that the intervals between castings and expired buffs is 60 seconds and not 120 seconds.
I mean common, everyone else gets their attack buffs increased without cooldowns. Sure sharp eyes is cool, but 35 w.att to even out the current gap between Marksmen and their new found power would be great.
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Kalovale - 2010-07-03
JoeTang Wrote:Hero doesn't have a big mobbing skill. Crusher is literally useless. Fury is pomegranate compared to ACB.
You didn't have to rub the salt in my wounds, I love my Crusher.
So basically, you're suggesting that we rate warriors like this:
- Mob of 6+: Paly > Drk > Hero
- Mob of 3+: Hero > Paly > Drk
- Bossing: Paly > Hero >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drk
?
[1.2.322] Moar Skill Balancing - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-07-03
Kalovale Wrote:You didn't have to rub the salt in my wounds, I love my Crusher.
So basically, you're suggesting that we rate warriors like this:
- Mob of 6+: Paly > Drk > Hero
- Mob of 3+: Hero > Paly > Drk
- Bossing: Paly > Hero >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drk
?
Jack of all trades, master of none. They'll still be guaranteed a place in boss runs, though.