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Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-22
Niernen Wrote:That doesn't mean much if your power is lynched based, now does it? But thanks.
I'm a little confused; if [MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; are lovers with [MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION];, wouldn't Luv also know of their love? Or is it unrequited love and TheBirds is a bird of prey (of love)? Or does TheBirds have to discover their lover before they are able to use their power?
(I'm on fire today with these plays on words
)And from what I've read on mafiascum (which I am currently treating as a bible), if TheBirds dies, then so will LuvDWayULie, and vice versa. A true romeo and juliet scenario, which means that voting to lynch TheBirds would be killing Luv as well.
I still don't understand how that confirms Luv as townie, unless the PM actually states alignment as well, which I have yet to read of.
faonkarino Wrote:Everything's going wrong and I'm way too confused. Pomegranate, today might even be LyLo. Didn't you guys even consider this? Today being LyLo? Do you even know what LyLo is?I know what is is, but I don't know how it's reached...
faonkarino Wrote:LuvD which seemed like just a newbie townie suddenly turns into a newbie mafia? Words looked way scummier than LuvD. I trust Kyra's results, although Kyra's results go crazy sometimes, being indefinite in the first day and definite in the other days. Was it because of CJ being third party? That's why it wasn't clear? So is Kyra actually a normal cop, as HolyPie was? And suddenly suspicions on Khaini are gone? Or yet, his previous offenders have yet to post?I only had one result that was ambiguous, two that gave alignment. This suggests, to me, that it was because Chaotic was a third party. This could very well be wrong since it mentioned him as an apple, even though he's a worm, but I can't really explain that with evidence, so I had the eating theory. I've decided to post my PMs after the game's over unless MasPan decides to do that himself, or says that it's a bad idea. I don't see the problem if it's after the game, so we'll see.
Granted, I wasn't completely suspect of Khaini. His outburst was the only real thing that took me by surprise (and bloody scared me at that), and unless he is grand busser, I don't really have any reason to doubt him.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - TheBirds - 2014-06-22
You don't have to lynch me, but lynching Luv is a bad idea for the town. I'm just (going super) saiyan.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-22
Kyrastri Wrote:I know what is is, but I don't know how it's reached...
It's reached when there are more mafia than townie players remaining. The logic behind it is that no matter who you lynch, there are more mafia members than townies so they will, without a doubt, even if we get 100% mafia lynching from that point on, win, because there's no way for us to lynch enough mafia members before they kill us in the night.
LyLo doesn't necessarily get triggered, to my knowledge, however if there are Neutral players that are supposed to be the last alive/some other weird prerequisite for their victory. Note that CJ's role PM says that he has to be alive when there are no Good Apples left to win, but it doesn't matter to him if mafia members die as long as they don't all die. Using that scenario, if the townies got lower than the mafia LyLo might not have been triggered because CJ might have gotten killed BEFORE all the Good Apples were, even though the mafia already won that doesn't mean CJ would have won.
Something similar could exist for another neutral. For example, if TheBirds was neutral with a victory condition of getting lynched, the game might not end until he dies, because he might get killed in the night instead, which wouldn't qualify as a win condition for him.
Even so we have...13 players left? I highly doubt there are 6 mafia members. 1 Lynch + 1 Kill = 11 Players left tomorrow which would mean the mafia would have to have 6 people remaining to obtain the majority. I can't see there being more than three, MAYBE four mafia players left. When they have too many members it makes it way too easy for them to win, which is why I doubt they have higher than 20% of our original count (5 people), and remove one makes 4 left, which means we'd have to have 9 players left to be at LyLo status.
TheBirds Wrote:You don't have to lynch me, but lynching Luv is a bad idea for the town. I'm just (going super) saiyan.
And yet again....Why?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - xBTAx - 2014-06-22
TheBirds Wrote:Just FYI, xBTAx said he watched me for a night and saw me doing nothing.
I'm currently catching up but I got to this post and: the pineapple? Not only did I never target you, but that isn't even what my power does.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - CakesXD - 2014-06-22
Kyrastri Wrote:And from what I've read on mafiascum (which I am currently treating as a bible), if TheBirds dies, then so will LuvDWayULie, and vice versa. A true romeo and juliet scenario, which means that voting to lynch TheBirds would be killing Luv as well.
I've been doing the same thing. Every time someone uses some Mafia terminology I just head over there and read up on it.
As for the current situation, I'm... Well, I have no idea what to think of this, honestly.
I had my suspicions on Luv before Kyrastri even investigated him, and if we're to believe that Kyrastri is indeed sane, then he is Mafia. Accompanied with some seemingly desperate responses, I'm leaning towards believing Kyrastri's investigation.
But then there's TheBirds, who seems hellbent on getting lynched and protecting Luv for whatever reason.
As for the others: I have no reason to suspect Polantaris, xBTAx, faonkarino or Olsi of being Mafia (all for different reasons), leaving us with KhainiWest (possible doctor), Shidoshi (initial suspicion of me teeters towards being Mafia, among other things, but still unsure), Corn (hasn't really said much of use), Niernen (unsure. but seems pro-Town),
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-22
Wait what? TheBirds and I, in love? Well this is getting interesting...
No, I didn't receive anything from MasPan saying that we are in love, so you all can scratch that theory.
Unless, TheBirds has chosen me as a target and I will die with him (I dunno what's his role, yet).
Anyway, I'm done defending. I'm just going to reply posts, and wait for the lynch to happen.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-22
double post, included the contents of this post below
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-22
CakesXD Wrote:I've been doing the same thing. Every time someone uses some Mafia terminology I just head over there and read up on it.high skin (skin? peel? stem? what do apples hi5 with) mafiascum is my bible. There's nothing on there that suggests there's a lover that can have a revenge kill ability.
CakesXD Wrote:I had my suspicions on Luv before Kyrastri even investigated him, and if we're to believe that Kyrastri is indeed sane, then he is Mafia. Accompanied with some seemingly desperate responses, I'm leaning towards believing Kyrastri's investigation.With the exception of me being a Random cop (as I have both innocent and guilty results, this negates possibility of Paranoid/Naive cops), either Olsi or Luv is mafia. Luv makes sense to me, and he's come to terms with it, but everything's been leaving a bad taste in my mouth (since day 3, actually) so it was really tempting not to take action at all... Q n Q Maybe the indecisive shouldn't be playing a very decision driven game, but anyway...
CakesXD Wrote:But then there's TheBirds, who seems hellbent on getting lynched and protecting Luv for whatever reason.Twist after twist, I'm seriously suspicious of her at the moment, which is why I'll be investigating her tonight given I don't die a horrible death.
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Wait what? TheBirds and I, in love? Well this is getting interesting...Yeah, I thought so. You would have mentioned loving TheBirds when I was posting fluff, or at least politely reject me :p I doubt you're the type to cheat on a pokemon, or are you?! >:c (I'm kidding)
But yeah, you never mentioned it, nor did you seem to get particularly close with TheBirds on other days, so I don't know what she's trying to pull.
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Unless, TheBirds has chosen me as a target and I will die with him (I dunno what's his role, yet).That makes sense, but my only qualm with that theory is that if your death is priority, she wouldn't be trying to save you. The only exception to this would be if she is a neutral with a win condition that someone has to die by his hand, when he is lynched (if we still assume he needs a lynch to 'win'.) Maybe she really is a crazy lover that wants nothing but the unrequited 'Luv' of Luv. (
)Regardless, with this information, I can't really determine what TheBirds is trying to play at. I'll definitely be investigating her (or should I say them?!
) tonight.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-22
Kyrastri Wrote:high skin (skin? peel? stem? what do apples hi5 with) mafiascum is my bible. There's nothing on there that suggests there's a lover that can have a revenge kill ability.Yeah, and I won't cheat on a Pokemon. That's crazy!
With the exception of me being a Random cop (as I have both innocent and guilty results, this negates possibility of Paranoid/Naive cops), either Olsi or Luv is mafia. Luv makes sense to me, and he's come to terms with it, but everything's been leaving a bad taste in my mouth (since day 3, actually) so it was really tempting not to take action at all... Q n Q Maybe the indecisive shouldn't be playing a very decision driven game, but anyway...
Twist after twist, I'm seriously suspicious of her at the moment, which is why I'll be investigating her tonight given I don't die a horrible death.
Yeah, I thought so. You would have mentioned loving TheBirds when I was posting fluff, or at least politely reject me :p I doubt you're the type to cheat on a pokemon, or are you?! >:c (I'm kidding)
But yeah, you never mentioned it, nor did you seem to get particularly close with TheBirds on other days, so I don't know what she's trying to pull.
That makes sense, but my only qualm with that theory is that if your death is priority, she wouldn't be trying to save you. The only exception to this would be if she is a neutral with a win condition that someone has to die by his hand, when he is lynched (if we still assume he needs a lynch to 'win'.) Maybe she really is a crazy lover that wants nothing but the unrequited 'Luv' of Luv. (
Regardless, with this information, I can't really determine what TheBirds is trying to play at. I'll definitely be investigating her (or should I say them?!
TheBirds, please explain further.
[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION], err, what do you mean by me parroting your reasons? Which ones? Just wanna clarify.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-22
Kyrastri Wrote:high skin (skin? peel? stem? what do apples hi5 with) mafiascum is my bible. There's nothing on there that suggests there's a lover that can have a revenge kill ability.
With the exception of me being a Random cop (as I have both innocent and guilty results, this negates possibility of Paranoid/Naive cops), either Olsi or Luv is mafia. Luv makes sense to me, and he's come to terms with it, but everything's been leaving a bad taste in my mouth (since day 3, actually) so it was really tempting not to take action at all... Q n Q Maybe the indecisive shouldn't be playing a very decision driven game, but anyway...
That has been an ability on SP before. I had it along with, I believe, MetaSeraphim, in a game last year. Unless I'm misremembering, when one of us died, the other was able to kill off someone as their 1-time night action. I don't have the PM anymore to check for certain, but there's certainly been "lovers" abilities in the past, however both parties usually knew about it, too, while LuvDWayULie is denying knowing anything about it.
If I remember that game correctly, I had to find out WHO my lover was, but I knew I had one, and I knew that their death would result in me getting my night ability. So it was a matter of determining who they were before one of us was off'd, which actually was a good reason to use breadcrumbs/flavor text.
Here's the thing: If you were a random cop, I don't think you'd have gotten the message about CJ you did. You most likely would have gotten random accusations towards them, as a random cop usually has random results on the target regardless of what they are doing or their true affiliations.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Shidoshi - 2014-06-22
Kyra posted his result after Holy, I don't think we have two rolecops + watcher, them both having the same result on Olsi refutes the "insane" theory. Khaini, the undying doctor backs Kyra, Kyra pushes a lynch on the most lynchable player.
[Vote] Kyrastri
LyLo is "Lynch [align=right] or Lose", what you are saying, Polantaris, is "Mafia Endgaming" which is when mafia win because there's no way for any other faction to win anymore.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-22
Shidoshi Wrote:Kyra posted his result after Holy, I don't think we have two rolecops + watcher, them both having the same result on Olsi refutes the "insane" theory. Khaini, the undying doctor backs Kyra, Kyra pushes a lynch on the most lynchable player.
[Vote] Kyrastri
LyLo is "Lynch [align=right] or Lose", what you are saying, Polantaris, is "Mafia Endgaming" which is when mafia win because there's no way for any other faction to win anymore.
This, exactly.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-22
Shidoshi Wrote:Kyra posted his result after Holy, I don't think we have two rolecops + watcher, them both having the same result on Olsi refutes the "insane" theory. Khaini, the undying doctor backs Kyra, Kyra pushes a lynch on the most lynchable player.I've been leaning this way for a bit myself. I've been thinking about it since Day 3 but I didn't want to clue them in prematurely (I wanted more "results" to confirm my suspicion.).
[Vote] Kyrastri
To add to this, Meta posts a claim against the godmother, and nearly the first thing that happens is Kyra posts a counterclaim to create some chaos with CJ, while he was actually a neutral, was also the most suspected and they just go, "He's good," and when asked to clarify they said they're "green and an apple," which is as generic as generic gets. Then suddenly they're mirroring what Holypie says. Holypie's original flavor makes sense since Yoshi was dead, but Kyra's doesn't.
Shidoshi Wrote:LyLo is "Lynch [align=right] or Lose", what you are saying, Polantaris, is "Mafia Endgaming" which is when mafia win because there's no way for any other faction to win anymore.
Ah, my bad. I considered them the same thing for the most part.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-22
Niernen Wrote:Okay, basically caught up. Mostly just @LuvDWayULie and @Kyrasti; bickering. One of them is probably mafia, not sure who. TheBirds still has done nothing for the town. At this point, it almost looks like he is voting for himself because he know it will make others avoid voteing for him, I really wish we had gotten an investigation on him. And If KhainiWest; is the doctor, he is not doing a good job, he should have protected Holypie after what CJ revealed with his death. Its still early in the day, so @Shidoshi and CakesXD; may not have had to reply. Still, it does not look good for us townapples.
Also, I'm on vacation, so probably will only be replying in the morning and night
I was genuinely going to but I've been sick for the last day and a half and slept past that due date unfortunately. He was more inclined of working by himself anyway so even with his ability it would have been just as useless.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-22
3 vs 3. Well, I didn't see this coming.
Anyone else would like to vote?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-22
[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; I've already offered my only theory on the Chaotic mess, frankly it makes no sense to me either, but I assure you you're making a mistake thinking I've falsely claimed cop. I have yet to intentionally lie in this game; whether you believe that or not is up to you, of course, but I'm putting it out there since I know my days are numbred.
[MENTION=1087]Shidoshi[/MENTION]; I'd chalk the results posting to me not waking up at 5, but that can't be proven so feel free to ignore that. Heck, nothing can be proven, so I'm pretty much in the same boat as Luv. I really should have investigated Cakes that day, huh? :3
LuvDWayULie Wrote:3 vs 3. Well, I didn't see this coming.
Anyone else would like to vote?
If by some miracle I'm alive by nightfall I'll investigate TheBirds, if by some miracle I'm alive by the morn' I'll report my results
(if Luv is actually innocent, once again, I'm sorry :3, I've gotten too far in this rabbit hole to back out now), and naturally whatever follows is whatever follows
[MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION]; hope you're feeling better ._. It's summer over there though, isn't it? (actually respond in the discussion thread, this is irrelevant)
-cups Luvs chin- one day more!
Good night everyone!
(decided to save my thank you message for the discussion thread)
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - LuvDWayULie - 2014-06-22
Kyrastri Wrote:I have no idea if voting myself and going out with a bang (please MasPan; if I'm lynched give me some real spicy flavour
If by some miracle I'm alive by the (RL) morn' I'll investigate TheBirds, if by some miracle I'm alive by next (in game) morn' I'll report my results, if Luv is actually innocent, once again, I'm sorry :3
-cups Luvs chin- one day more
Good night everyone!
Good night Kyrastri, you're the nicest (mafia?) member I've seen
And anyway, if the votes stay like this until the end, I will still be lynched first.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Kyrastri - 2014-06-22
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Good night Kyrastri, you're the nicest (mafia?) member I've seen
And anyway, if the votes stay like this until the end, I will still be lynched first.
That actually means a lot to me, thanks :3
A lot of people have yet to vote so it could go either way. Or a wildcard is thrown out there and we're all screwed.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-22
We should still have 24 hours?
Lots can change.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Shidoshi - 2014-06-22
Or maybe I'm the feared double-downer voting apple, OOOOOOoooooOoOoOOOoOOoOooOOo!