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4th job Single Target DPS - KaidaTan - 2010-07-13
Cyanne Wrote:Dual bladers really need an accurate update to see how they really stand compared to other classes against this 2.1bil hp immobile snail:3Oh? And this is all pre-Big Bang?
- Mirror image hits do 80% damage range
- Final cut is 2x non-mirrored damage
- Advanced dark sight makes it a 24.01% chance to do chain pull -> chain attack and a 75.99% chance to do fatal blow -> dark sight -> chain pull -> chain attack
- Mirror image only hits 7 times on fatal blow and only 3 times on chains of hell
- Thorns criticals are only +250% on non-mirrored hits
Well even if I were to do an update, it would quickly become obsolete because of the Big Bang updates. I think we'll work on those instead. The annoying part is going to be figuring out how to work in +% equipment. Maybe I'll just add another box that says +% mainstat, +% attack, and +% damage somewhere off to the side and not change anything else. Doing it fairly and dynamically will be a headache...
4th job Single Target DPS - Devil - 2010-07-13
Cyanne Wrote:- Advanced dark sight makes it a 24.01% chance to do chain pull -> chain attack and a 75.99% chance to do fatal blow -> dark sight -> chain pull -> chain attackYou lost me there, what do you mean with that?
Isn't Advanced Dark Sight not only a form of Vanish (Night Walker) without the damage bonus, to speed up multiple Chains of Hell, since you have the chance to stay inside of Dark Sight? :o
4th job Single Target DPS - Cyanne - 2010-07-13
KaidaTan Wrote:Oh? And this is all pre-Big Bang?
Well even if I were to do an update, it would quickly become obsolete because of the Big Bang updates. I think we'll work on those instead. The annoying part is going to be figuring out how to work in +% equipment. Maybe I'll just add another box that says +% mainstat, +% attack, and +% damage somewhere off to the side and not change anything else. Doing it fairly and dynamically will be a headache...
Yeah, it's all pre-revamp. And there will still be quite a few months before it, so as long as it doesn't take like over an hour to update, it should still be worth seeing I guess given the higher relevance it now has to gMS.
Devil Wrote:You lost me there, what do you mean with that?
Isn't Advanced Dark Sight not only a form of Vanish (Night Walker) without the damage bonus, to speed up multiple Chains of Hell, since you have the chance to stay inside of Dark Sight? :o
Yeah, that's what it does o_o Notice how both combos end in chains of hell, so 24.01% of the time, you'd stay in dark sight and do another chains of hells, and 75.99% of the time, you'd have to fatal blow in the chains delay then use chains again. It's 24.01% because the chain pull and chain attack both count as attacks and opportunities for advanced dark sight to fail.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-07-13
Cyanne Wrote:Yeah, it's all pre-revamp. And there will still be quite a few months before it, so as long as it doesn't take like over an hour to update, it should still be worth seeing I guess given the higher relevance it now has to gMS.
Sorry, I think we're both too lazy to do it
I'll try to get around to it this weekend if I remember.
4th job Single Target DPS - KaidaTan - 2010-07-13
Dusk Wrote:Sorry, I think we're both too lazy to do itTaken care of.
I'll try to get around to it this weekend if I remember.
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So it turns out that they do much less damage when Final Cut isn't active, which is a shame. But then when it is active, they're quite a bit more powerful than they were before. It ends up balancing out so that they're slightly stronger on average than they were before I updated the calc.
For Dusk
30 and H29:H30 on the %DPS page. I can explain what I did if you want.4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-07-13
Heh. Did you fix dual charging?
4th job Single Target DPS - KaidaTan - 2010-07-13
Dusk Wrote:Heh. Did you fix dual charging?Oh whoops, forgot about that. You wanna hit it? I forget what needs to be done and you made that section anyway.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-07-14
Done. Appears that Blast is just slightly more powerful than Brandish on neutral 1v1.
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4th job Single Target DPS - jhkplaya888 - 2010-07-14
Dusk Wrote:Done. Appears that Blast is just slightly more powerful than Brandish on neutral 1v1.
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Is that the current dps with the big bang patch?
4th job Single Target DPS - Combattente - 2010-10-17
Where are Battle Mage, Wild Hunter and Mechanic? :f6:
4th job Single Target DPS - Stereo - 2010-10-17
jhkplaya888 Wrote:Is that the current dps with the big bang patch?
In terms of skill percents, right now, Blast = 942.5% on neutral, Brandish = 988%. So it's with the BB I guess.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-10-17
The tables were last updated July 14 and do not represent anything that's changed in Big Bang. Wild Hunters and Battlemages have not been added. I left Lightning-weak on when I made that statement about Blast being stronger than Brandish.
The only thing I've changed regarding Big Bang so far is redesigning the Analysis page to include the new classes and look nicer in general. I don't plan on making any changes to what we have here until GMS gets Big Bang. When it hits Tespia, I will likely make a research thread listing what needs to be tested, asking for suggestions on things we can test, etc. Also, since potential has crushed the whole "average damage" thing and mages no longer have their own wonky damage formula, the tables will likely be based on relative strength of attacks rather than actual numbers. It should be a simple comparison of (stats) * (attack) * (skills).
Also, probably won't bother including Snipe at all.
4th job Single Target DPS - Combattente - 2010-10-18
Dusk Wrote:Also, probably won't bother including Snipe at all.
Uh? Why not?
4th job Single Target DPS - OB3LISK - 2010-10-18
Aran > DB > Corsair > NL?
I can live with that.
4th job Single Target DPS - ArbalistMaster - 2010-10-18
Combattente Wrote:Uh? Why not?
Because after BB it hits 500k on bosses and you're easily able to make ultistrafe hit more than that with good gear. so it hinders DPS
4th job Single Target DPS - Combattente - 2010-10-18
ArbalistMaster Wrote:Because after BB it hits 500k on bosses and you're easily able to make ultistrafe hit more than that with good gear. so it hinders DPS
Oh. Right.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2010-10-18
Actually it was because it's impossible to work a fixed damage skill into a comparison based on percentages, but I think I can make it work.
4th job Single Target DPS - ZakumSlaYers - 2010-10-31
50504724 Wrote:Someone validate that formula in Nett's Pyramid PQ.
use the damage cap 199999
here's the data
how to insert a table= =!
Spoiler
err...may Nexon fools us...different server different formula?
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=33651
Its different in msea...
4th job Single Target DPS - Mega - 2010-11-13
Which warrior class would do the most DPS after BB? Will it still be Aran?
4th job Single Target DPS - Combattente - 2010-12-06
When will the Big Bang version of this come out?