MetaSeraphim Wrote:It would count as the same exact skill, actually.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:It would count as the same exact skill, actually.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:It is obvious that JMS hasn't really changed anything about rebirthing besides adding that new UI skill tab thingy. If you've ever played a high rate server in the past it is easy to know how certain things will turn out.

No passives carry over, at all. That means Masteries and such don't carry over in the case that you can equip a weapon that belongs to whatever class you rebirthed from. Marksmen + Marksmen would just give you the exact same set of skills. Other class combos however should work fine, you'll be able to use their buffs and their attacks (given you can find a common version of their weapon) on a completely different job.

I don't know how the game determines all this, but I do know from the information provided by Justin that this rebirth system works like it does in private servers.

Fenne Wrote:HAHAHA

You guys better believe that NexonNA is CHOMPING at the bit to get this into GMS. An automatic $10 payment from everyone that wants to rebirth? (Which will eventually be everyone playing.) That is a HUGE windfall.

You know this is coming to GMS guys, and I for one am excited as hell! I give it 6 months after chaos and we see this before Jump.

Teppi Wrote:if you rebirth from dark knight to archer in a private server, then add points into critical shots, the attacks that u use from being a dark knight wont get the same crit rate. in jms' case they do so....yea

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Sorry, but you're most likely wrong that it is critical shot causing that. You're forgetting that all skills and all attacks work off of a base 5% critical rate.

I might be wrong, but it is looking like it works exactly like it does in a private server. But, passives might be job locked, meaning that when he reaches 4th job again he would get control of Berserk. But, he is going to have to get to 4th job again to confirm that.

Justin, Rush is weapon locked right? Dark Knight Rush should only work with Spears and Polearms unless they changed something.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Sorry, but you're most likely wrong that it is critical shot causing that. You're forgetting that all skills and all attacks work off of a base 5% critical rate.

I might be wrong, but it is looking like it works exactly like it does in a private server. But, passives might be job locked, meaning that when he reaches 4th job again he would get control of Berserk. But, he is going to have to get to 4th job again to confirm that.
i doubt that 5% base crit rate would give such an increase in crit chance from that vid., we can clearly see the change in crit rate after he put points into critical soht in that vid

Justin, Rush is weapon locked right? Dark Knight Rush should only work with Spears and Polearms unless they changed something.

Polantaris Wrote:If Passives are locked out then I don't see the point to the Rebirth System what so ever. A good amount of Actives are linked to your weapon, which means if you can't equip over classes (Which I don't know if anyone has tested or not), then like 90% of skills would be locked out, and there would be no purpose to rebirthing at all.

Teppi Wrote:i doubt that 5% base crit rate would result in a great increase in crit rate after he put points into critical shot in that vid

Quote:Passives:
Magic Attack: +100.
Dodge Chance: +20%
Staff Mastery +50% + Magic Mastery +50% = 100% Mastery
Critical Hit Rate: +70%
Damage +30% (BaM) + Magic Attack damage +135% (Magic Amplification Evan) + Magic Attack +30% (Dragon Fury Evan) = passive +195% dmg?
Minimum Critical Damage: +35%
Max HP: +20%
Weapon DEF: +150%
Magic DEF: +150%.
MP consumption +135%

Buffs
Staff Booster + Magic Booster (these 2 might stack since they are coded differently?)
Blood Drain
Stance
Magic Guard
Elemental Reset
Magic Shield
Slow
Magic Resistance
Recovery Aura
Onyx's Blessing
Soul's Stone

Teppi Wrote:Just thought of BaM + Evan. another good combination

Quote:Staff Mastery +50% + Magic Mastery +50% = 100% Mastery

MetaSeraphim Wrote:No passives carry over, at all.

JoeTang Wrote:Paladin -> Hero is only useful if you can get advantage.
Shadow Partner gives more damage than Holy Lightning, and if ACA multipliers Shadow Partner then it wrecks the pomegranate out of everything.

EndlessAxis Wrote:priest is almost 110, I really hope holy focus works with paladin's holy charge + blast.

if so then that is a 75% crit rate , 50% from focus , 5 % base , 20% from blast .
toss in a 8% crit wep and you got yourself 83% critical rate + a plethora of buffs. also all 3rd job and under priest skills work with a sword, hoping the same for 4th job ones.

Viaje Wrote:Well... that's stupid.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:I might be wrong about it though. I am going off of the limited information we have and how it seems so far. It is possible that passives are just job locked. Meaning you have to be at the job where the passive is. Such as 4th Job for Berserk.

Need more information before giving a final judgement on it. But I do believe it works like it does in private servers for now.

Viaje Wrote:Since Holy Focus works with Heal, it's more than likely programmed to work with a specific list of skills as opposed to actually checking the attribute of an attack.

Viaje Wrote:Well... that's stupid.

Mostly because it ruins a lot of combinations and generally invalidates a lot of the appeal.
That would mean that a Pali -> anything would lose out on:
- Final Attack?
- HP Boost?
- Shield Mastery?
- Achilles?
- Guardian?
- Divine Shield?
- ACB's mastery?

Well, there goes the entire damn point...
Mostly.


You aren't thinking it all the way through. You can't base a combination just on a single buff.

Though the news that passive buffs don't carry over ruins a lot of the godliness, Paladins and Heroes still offer each other a butt-ton of damage enhancers.

As you said, Blast is stronger %-wise than Intrepid Slash, but that's only skimming the surface of what is a ludicrous skill.
Keep in mind Blast's other attributes: Ignore Def, extra Critical activation, raises minimum Critical %.

Now, to reiterate and give some numbers to a statement you already made, those last two traits bring Blast's average per-hit percent to 357% (if my old math is correct).
If Intrepid Slash has an average per-hit percent of 213%, then Blast is already 1.67 times as strong.

However, it's that first bit that makes Blast really sexy.
See, the one aspect that makes Dark Knights so damn valuable is that it totally ignores defense.
Well, a Paladin -> Hero can't do that, but it can get pretty pineappleing close:
21% (Blast) + 48% (Combat Mastery) + 30% (Threaten) = 99% Ignore Defense (on anything that can be Threatened).
That'd make me cream myself.

Speaking of Threaten, I noticed your earlier math included Chance Attack.
Now, I don't know much about Dit's, but I'm pretty sure the only status effect they can inflict is stun.
Of course, Stun doesn't work on any bosses, so there's no way for a Hero or a Dit to inflict a status effect on a boss.
Having Threaten as a personal skill, however, would allow a PaliHero to constantly get Chance Attack's bonus.

That all said, isn't Holy + Lightning just barely weaker than Shadow Partner anyway?
1.37 (Holy) + .125 (Lightning) = 1.495
Shadow Partner = 1.5?

Pretty sure the .5% isn't significant when you consider everything else.
Actually, a Paladin/Hero would also have constant CO, meaning Enrage would be a 1.64% multiplier.
1.64 * 1.495 = 2.4518
1.60 * 1.5 = 2.4

So, yeah...
I think I'd forgo Flash Jump for all that.

iAmFear Wrote:Heal became a holy attribute skill with Big Bang, Holy Focus does check attributes. At least, until Jump made it so it worked on all skills.

JoeTang Wrote:Paladin Hero: 284% * 3 * 1.495 * 2 * 1.64 * 1.25 * 1.182 / 0.84 = 7348.6%

Shadower Hero: 210% * 3 * 3 * 2 * 1.6 * 1.25 * 1.0175 / 0.84 = 9157.5%

Hero Shadower: (90 * 6 * 2 * 1.6 * 3 * 1.0175 + 600 * 2 * 2 * 1.6 * 2.6 * 1.0175) / 1.86 = 8297.5%/s (Boomerang Savage Blow)

And if the damage cap didn't exist, Assassinate would do (560 * 4 * 2 * 1.6 * 5 * 8) = 286720%, and you take like 9.5 seconds to charge so it does 30181%/s


You can get Combat Orders from a Paladin in a party, and you'll almost never find a worthwhile boss weak to any element. If there's some way you can get situations where you have advantage, the Paladin combination will have the upper hand.

And you can get Chance Attack from another character's debuff, and after Jump, Panic can give Darkness to a boss.