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#Gamergate - Flonne - 2014-10-13
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he really is getting pomegranate all over.
#Gamergate - Zerard - 2014-10-13
At least he won't be missing much. Still, I feel for the guy- getting terrible responses from all directions
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-13
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0284tqf
Gamergate is in there
11:30>
BBC NAILED IT YESSS
#Gamergate - Words - 2014-10-13
KhainiWest Wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0284tqf
Gamergate is in there
11:30>
BBC NAILED IT YESSS
It starts at around 17:50, doesn't it?
Or what do you mean with 11:30>?
#Gamergate - ShinkuDragon - 2014-10-13
Zerard Wrote:At least he won't be missing much. Still, I feel for the guy- getting terrible responses from all directions
why is he disliked so much? and i mean pre-the whole gamergate thing?
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-13
Words Wrote:It starts at around 17:50, doesn't it?
Or what do you mean with 11:30>?
I read 11:30, I didn't check the time myself, if that's the case, my bad
#Gamergate - Stereo - 2014-10-14
Eliseo Wrote:WOAH WHAT THE ACTUAL pineapple
That report was seriously biased. The entire thing dealt with the sexism, nothing to do what the move is about. Just what the pineapple.
[color=#a000e0]Because the movement is about a group of people who can't accept when reporting is unbiased.
Obviously not the sexism. Never the sexism.
??irony?????????????[b][b]
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-14
Stereo Wrote:[color=#a000e0]Because the movement is about a group of people who can't accept when reporting is unbiased.
Obviously not the sexism. Never the sexism.
??irony?????????????[b][b]
Uh, you mean like, I don't know, providing the accuracy that #gamergate doesn't care about gender? They're assholes whether they are female/white/brazillion or male asian? The only prejudice you can cite to me is stupidity. Honestly, how hard is it to say "Gamergate is not a sexist/hate movement, but became a movement based on a controversy of females who allegendly deal with harassment because they are females"
Not that you are concerned with facts
#Gamergate - icephoenix21 - 2014-10-14
Stereo Wrote:You're right, Secret of the Magic Crystal has some built in anger about unicorns not existing
Of course you're not most of those things, probably a bit misogynist. I'd suggest you examine your privilege but it's clear that it's too late to say that politely.
@KhainiWest the bad news is, if I take harrassment and death threats as a reason to stop being anti-GG then I'm certainly not going to become pro-GG. If I'm not part of the movement but hold the same opinions as one side on most issues, where does that leave me?
This premise is so far off it feels like you're copying from a list of talking points somewhere, idek. What does sex have to do with being anti-GG?
I know girls play Borderlands, try answering my question
Stereo Wrote:good news you are
Stereo Wrote:It'd be nice to turn this thread back into a discussion from a circlejerk tho.
@ShinkuDragon was bored; googled Panama. Doesn't look like it's really better than the US on gendered pay. (gonna continue to ignore the race thing if you guys are ok with that, I haven't said anything about what any race should think)
http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/wikigender.org:Variables_Global_Gender_Gap_Index
Okay, I finally found something in this thread that makes me want to tear someone's hair out and it's you-you goddamn misogynist, the idiots of gamergate don't want women at the top because they know we're better than them, fine, they're dumbasses but they say so publicly and as with any good movement there's gonna be the idiots that don't like it. They'll get crushed eventually. but you, you claim to support women, but you're nothing more than a Canadian white guy. That's a cool link you have there, it shows how much less women like me get paid for the same job, and what do you do about it huh? do you give your extra money for being male to the women at your job? do you even donate it to breast cancer or anything that would help women? NO, i'm sure you nicely put it in your pocket and don't say pomegranate to your boss or anyone about it, then you come on the internet and scream "BOO, WOMEN HAVE IT BAD" while you're part of the pineappleing problem. why don't you quit your job so a woman can have it? because I'm sure whatever you're working as is male-dominant, but i'm sure you don't complain about that at work or with your bosses either now do you? this makes you a freaking misogynist, no, worse, you're an HYPOCRITICAL MISOGYNIST.
Check your privilege you whitey scum. I'd call you cis scum but your icon says asexual, what's your problem not liking women pimento?
Stereo Wrote:Sorry I don't subscribe to the 'eye for an eye' morality, if a rapist is being harrassed and attacked that's no less wrong than if they weren't a rapist.
I'm not sure what the third sentence means, it's got too many subordinate clauses. Remember you're dealing with someone who doesn't "understood any of it at a rudimentary level". I'm not referring to some specific 1st year engineering student's definition of misogyny when I claim it about people, so I don't know whose degree is in play.
I don't know how you're looking at the problem but I see these things as mutually exclusive:
reviewer judges the game alone, not the author
reviewer is part of the gaming community
reviewers never exchange money with game developers
review sites are able to pay their reviewers
Personally I'm on the side where reviewers are part of the community, know what's out there and who's making it, and has opinions about what's a good game. I recognize that this means reviewers aren't completely unbiased, and will probably ending up talking to game developers. Because I want to see dev interviews. I want the reviewer to be able to go to PAX and talk to the folks making a game and not feel like that disqualifies them from reviewing it.
Are you out of your pineappleing mind? Only men can commit rape and you're saying you don't want rapists harassed? What do you want then, to have them in a nice home-as-jail plan while they drink wine? pineappleing rapists should have their dicks cut by the person they raped and anyone that demands that they're treated well should have it cut too.
A female journalist can suck as many plantains as she wants and write an article afterwards or have an article about her written afterwards. If there is conflict of interest it's because the stupid male journos can't be unbiased- all the more reason why we need more female journos out there to replace all these white men in the business, which I'm sure also don't do much to help women in the industry seeing how male dominated it still is even while they scream about social justice.
#Gamergate - Stereo - 2014-10-14
icephoenix21 Wrote:I'd call you cis scum but your icon says asexual, what's your problem not liking women pimento?
It doesn't, I'm just not straight/bi/gay/lesbian so I left it blank.
KhainiWest Wrote:Honestly, how hard is it to say "Gamergate is not a sexist/hate movement, but became a movement based on a controversy of females who allegendly deal with harassment because they are females"
The 'allegedly' is the part I have trouble with, strike that and it's more like "Gamergate is composed of some people who enjoy harassing women and will lie to get away with it, and some people who think the former group is making some good points about how gamers are treated".
#Gamergate - Jordan - 2014-10-14
This thread has gotten awfully personal.
Let's get this topic back to relevance please. Thanks.
#Gamergate - VerrKol - 2014-10-14
Stereo Wrote:The 'allegedly' is the part I have trouble with, strike that and it's more like "Gamergate is composed of some people who enjoy harassing women and will lie to get away with it, and some people who think the former group is making some good points about how gamers are treated".
So let me try to clarify. You believe that these female journalists are discriminated against because of their gender and that participants of the Gamergate movement not only enjoy harassing women, but lie about it. Is that correct?
I think that anyone here can concede that that most women, certainly including gamer journalists, will experience discrimination at several points in their life and, depending on their residence, even on a daily basis. But that's not the point or at least not the only issue at hand. I'll also concede that a minority of Gamergate may in fact be jumping on the bandwagon because they enjoy harassing women. But I ask, in the interest of reasonable discussion, that we set aside the fringe elements on either side and discuss the actual issues.
I haven't seen you or anyone else particularly dispute the majority of evidence in this thread that gamer "journalists" have what would be considered an improper relationship and conflict of interest in any other field of journalism. Do you think that the incidents described in this thread do not merit consumer criticism? How do you propose we address this problem if Gamergate is doing so in a "misogynistic" way? Do you simply believe that equality for women and (reasonably) unbiased journalism are somehow incompatible?
I'm more than interested in reasonable discussion here if you can provide some perspective. Your posts have been rather short on reasoned argument and heavy on inciteful diction. This last was not necessarily without provocation from others, but you already mentioned the eye for an eye mentality makes the whole world blind so I request that you rise above calling anyone in this thread misogynistic again without more substantial evidence.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-14
Stereo Wrote:The 'allegedly' is the part I have trouble with, strike that and it's more like "Gamergate is composed of some people who enjoy harassing women and will lie to get away with it, and some people who think the former group is making some good points about how gamers are treated".
There is proof anita sarkeeson lied about her police reports, yet continued to tweet "I'm leaving my house", there is evidence that Zoe quinn (especially with Kotaku apologizing) made up harassment to advertise her game. There is no proof that gamergate individuals attack people based on their gender, absolutely, none. Majority of the ones who send such messages are then lectured by gamergate themselves. I myself have tweeted that personally numerous times with not a single response.
Those individuals were harassed long before gamergate was started and it wasn't because of their gender. They are genuinely awful people who's actions have provided more than enough evidence to back that statement up. They are so awful not even I will touch them with a 6 foot pole, because they would bring me down to their level and beat me to the point of death. I actually enjoyed Anita's refreshing perspective, I didn't like how she saw games as just a gateway for men to feed their abusive, racist and rapist tendencies, but I certainly do not mind more creativity in our games. I even sent her a polite PM explaining I feel that her stiffing discussion just hurts her credibility which is a shame because she put it so eloquently. That was the end of it.
After that it was suddenly apparent this person is a full fledged pan handler who saw the opportunity to benefit and Zoe quinn following suit. They were no longer a gamergate issue, they were a public issue because of their vile, hypocritical opinions, way before even the 5 guys incident. If your opinion had any leverage every female game developer would be attacked, every female gamer would be attacked. Yet I see two huge chats on skype that host females and males with no sexism issues at all, I have a skype contact list that consists of more girls than guys (50/50 if not), I don't see them going through the turmoil these two individuals do.
It's funny when people blame someone being disliked by something as irrelevant as their gender, it's essentially an adult not having their child own up to their actions, "Oh, he just doesn't like timmy because of his haircut, not because he cut the other girls hair off". Revolting actions come with revolting backlash, you think none of the game journalists aren't suffering from death threats, the male ones that is, where are there complaints? Why aren't they "its because of my gender", or would you like to discuss a few examples of clear, and frankly, disappointing double standards?
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-10-14
Anita not filing police reports has been debunked for like a month now, lol.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-14
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Anita not filing police reports has been debunked for like a month now, lol.
March, not August from my understanding. Nice cherry pick though, it seems that's all you're able to do
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-10-14
March one isn't even questionable.
And I can hardly see how it's a cherry pick when this supposed event is the foundation upon which you're judging her character.
When exactly did this turn into an attack on the character of the people who aren't involved, again? I thought this was supposed to be a forum for discussion, not a spawning pit of people telling someone they're only acting out of sex and that they support Nazis and rape.
But then I guess making a scene is all people really do anymore.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-14
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:March one isn't even questionable.
And I can hardly see how it's a cherry pick when this supposed event is the foundation upon which you're judging her character.
...But that's the one you brought into question to begin with. Wanna discuss how smart she is for not only admitting to filing a police report but allowing her "attackers" know she left the premises? That's f`ucking stupid and clearly an act for attention. And it certainly is not the basis of how I judge her. Seeing some of the tweets that outright antagonize gamergate who continue to ignore her shows me the type of person she is. She doesn't fear her life, anyone with half a brain see's that. She's free to speak her opinion, she had that, at least from me, since day one. She attacks and cries when she's slapped back.
Frankly I'd be happier to recieve a million death threat's than a syringe mailed to my house. But that's a guy so who cares!
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:When exactly did this turn into an attack on the character of the people who aren't involved, again? I thought this was supposed to be a forum for discussion, not a spawning pit of people telling someone they're only acting out of sex and that they support Nazis and rape.
But then I guess making a scene is all people really do anymore.
1) If you read anything, which you never do because you like to remain ignorant, the entire premise is they are attacked because of their gender. In order to prove that incorrect we have to explain why we find their character revolting, which actually even when said does not pertain to any of the actual issues of gamergate, let alone the goals.
2) The nazi/rapist thing is not an exaggeration. Ian Miles or whatever his name is is a proud white suppremist asian. While Zoe Quinn is a self defined rapist by her own definition, which I find odd that wannabe social justice warriors would be defending.
tldr these people are hated for their actions, not for their gender.
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:But then I guess making a scene is all people really do anymore.
Do you realize how stupid and hypocritical this sounds? What do you think your two crushes have been doing this whole f`ucking time. They are the epitome of dansels in distress. At least gamergate gets sh`it done.
#Gamergate - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2014-10-14
KhainiWest Wrote:Seeing some of the tweets that outright antagonize gamergate who continue to ignore her shows me the type of person she is. She doesn't fear her life, anyone with half a brain see's that. She's free to speak her opinion, she had that, at least from me, since day one. She attacks and cries when she's slapped back.Wait are we talking about Anita or this thread?
And notice the "people who aren't involved" ie Stereo. How exactly does alienating stereo serve to help your goals, here?
And the scene thing went right over your head, lol.
#Gamergate - KhainiWest - 2014-10-14
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Wait are we talking about Anita or this thread?A
And notice the "people who aren't involved" ie Stereo. How exactly does alienating stereo serve to help your goals, here?
What the f`uck are you talking about
edit: Oh, you confused by saying I judged her character followed by supporting nazi's or whatever.
Hahahhaa this is what I'm talking about when it comes to people like you. You do realize that point came across after he called other users misonigyst right? So I asked him how he can conciously support a nazi/rapist, who are morally bankrupt.
But you didn't seem to register that part did you? You just assumed the person who shared your perspective was some innocent bystander that didn't deserve such allegations!
Give me a f`ucking break. None of us here are stupid, we know what stereo is attempting to do, we're just indulging him to show people how ass backwards that perception is, don't get confused.
#Gamergate - Chew - 2014-10-14
#NeverChangeSP
This is better than the soap opera at 8:00 PM.