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DotA2 - Original Thread - chrome - 2013-01-20
I thought I had a head start in playing LoL before Dota, but holy fuck I think it made me even more unprepared than the average person.
Skills I thought transferred over:
- When to split push
- When to group
- When to fight
- What to do in lane with regards to role
- Warding
- Map awareness
Skills that actually transferred over:
- Warding
- Map awareness (but not how to react to it)
BECAUSE GOD DAMMIT EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT
UGH
I have a few more questions/presumptions about how the things I thought I knew how to do based on LoL transfer over into here:
As a support in LoL, laning with a carry involves warding jungle exits, harassing the enemy duo lane, providing sustain (direct and/or in the form of CC), etc. to help the carry farm. Just based on the few games I've played, am I right when I assume that the support generally prioritizes making sure the other carry doesn't farm?
Is split pushing encouraged? In LoL it's an option in a lot of team comps, even if there isn't an ideal pusher on a team, since the carry can usually build an item to do so. It seems much more situational (and punishable, learned that the hard way) in Dota.
How often do you roam when you're in the side lanes and not a carry and when you're in mid?
I had more questions, but I think I'll hold back and just keep playing to learn. Just wanted to get the misconceptions out of the way.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Words - 2013-01-20
Sorry about that last game... I couldn't pay attention and had to afk for a while because mom was talking to me.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Dusk - 2013-01-20
Supports are useful both to help the carry farm and to deny farm to the enemy heroes. Which one you prioritize depends on the team setup and strategy. A somewhat common lane setup is a defensive trilane, where mid and hard lanes are soloed, one support will babysit the carry and pull jungle creeps into lane to deny and push the lane back, while the other support will harass and lurk around to force the enemy(s) to hang back, missing out on exp and gold. Another thing I like to do is roam, which means I don't take a lane at all, but I pick a hero with good level 1 or 2 ganking skills and just run around the map looking for kills.
Split pushing is pretty dangerous and requires you to be able to push fast and join up with your team if needed. Keep in mind that it's easy to get killed if you get caught with a disable. Heroes that are good at split pushing include Tinker, Nature's Prophet, Broodmother, and Keeper of the Light.
In general you should gank from mid when you find a good rune and a good opportunity to do it. Some heroes like Invoker need a lot of levels to come online and are better off just farming unless they get a really good opportunity, though.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-01-20
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=377503
This is seriously one of the better explained guides to what you should be doing as a support and what the different supports offer.
Might write up some more later when i have more time.
DotA2 - Original Thread - chrome - 2013-01-20
Guide helps a whole lot, thanks. I'm down to play some time tonight if you guys are.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-01-20
Yea, i am ready. Just write in this thread when you're on, or find me through the SP group and give me a poke (Janggos goes with everything).
Also, finally added game trailer to first post, no idea why i didn't do that before.
If someone has not seen it yet and is too lazy to go to page 1:
Spoiler
DotA2 - Original Thread - Words - 2013-01-20
Yeah, PM me too! I wanna play with you guys again
DotA2 - Original Thread - Dusk - 2013-01-21
Sorry, chrome wasn't on when I was playing Dota last night and then I got caught up with guild stuff in GW2.
DotA2 - Original Thread - chrome - 2013-01-21
Was busy with moving, sorry. I might be able to play tonight if I'm not out, just PM me on Steam.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Remoir - 2013-01-22
My first matchmaking game.
2 people on my team quit. The drow on the other team obviously isn't new. Proceeds to steamroll us all. Announces 'lol easy' when we lose.
Urgh
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-01-22
Well that certainly sucks for your first player versus player game, you should add me on steam if you want someone to play with occasionally.
People who smurf tend to be quite arrogant, atleast the match-making is very volatile for the first few games so if a person is playing on a smurf they'll quickly return to a higher level of match-making.
Also: We have a southperry chat room ingame, join it!
DotA2 - Original Thread - Dusk - 2013-01-22
It's not necessarily a smurf. Some people are really bad at the game and stuck in pomegranate tier matchmaking but experienced enough to beat complete newbies.
DotA2 - Original Thread - IllegallySane - 2013-01-22
Oh god, I can't stop laughing. Sorry if this has already been posted.
[video=youtube;c0n9PzpMtsU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0n9PzpMtsU[/video]
And yes I tried Anti-Mage. I actually like this guy far more than Voidy. I blame his incredible 5 second Blinks to both escape and pursue relentlessly, and auto-attack mana burns. Still haven't used his ultimate effectively though, although it doesn't really matter as much for me when Manta Style is all I need. Also, Spell Shield = NoFunAllowedCasters. However, WHY DOES HIS NAME HAVE TO BE MAGINA? Nothing else to really comment about him. He's squishy to melee, but my god if he isn't a nightmare to face with anyone that relies on magic damage.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-01-22
[video=youtube;LErsfwQGEOE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LErsfwQGEOE[/video]
I still have yet to do this combo in a real game.
Also, serious pro guide to anti-mage:
Spoiler
DotA2 - Original Thread - Words - 2013-01-22
Eddikins Wrote:My first matchmaking game.
2 people on my team quit. The drow on the other team obviously isn't new. Proceeds to steamroll us all. Announces 'lol easy' when we lose.
Urgh
Try easy/medium bot games first, you get to practice and notice how most things go. Medium/hard bots are the best because people won't leave as often, at least from what I've experienced.
My first vs. humans game was with Malthe, Dusk and Polantaris so they helped me with other stuff like what to buy and when to go back and so on.
Getting used to items is the hardest thing ever for me, most of them are situational and when you don't completely understand what other heroes/items do it's baffling.
Oh, also add me on steam: Wordssp
Also, I had a couple games with Treant Protector earlier today and he is quite cool, healing others+towers is awesome and making others invisible and setting up kills with him is easier than with other Heroes so far. I also like how easy it is to last hit/deny with him.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Malthe - 2013-01-22
Welp, today was not my day for playing dota.
feeders and people who don't pick according to what's already picked.
1 win and 3 losses today.
5 wins and 2 losses yesterday.
5 wins and 1 loss 2 days ago.
was on such a good streak.Video to cheer myself up:
Spoiler
DotA2 - Original Thread - IllegallySane - 2013-01-23
Oh my god, this is just wondrous.
[video=youtube;LLOlGkipXyU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLOlGkipXyU[/video]
This too:
[video=youtube;IcfXnAsBHRY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcfXnAsBHRY[/video]
DotA2 - Original Thread - Words - 2013-01-23
I've been queuing southamerica/US east servers lately and it's amazing how different it is.
Yesterday's games were awesome, I got to learn a lot in bot games with US players. Of course I got yelled at, called noob sometimes because I still mess up in the most idiotic ways but it's fun and I learn and I feel like I avoid doing the same mistakes over and over again. Right now, I'm having trouble knowing when to go back: most of the times I know it's better to get back but people keep pushing and I follow them thinking "they must know better" but they don't and we just wipe. But I don't want to be the moron that says back when it's perfectly fine to push.
Last two games in latin american servers were pissing me off. People just keep fighting alone, pining 15271057012 times every time they see a hero, and feed, feed, feed. Even if I avoid deaths and farm as much as I can early in the game, they feed so much it gets to a point where there's nothing I can do. Bots get to farm so much that they get their items fast while I'm still halfway to get mine. Not to mention the language barrier, if they talked spanish it might've helped but most of the time it's br and I don't understand what they're saying. I do understand when they're insulting me, though, because they get mad when I die but the whole game they've been feeding enemies is fine. Also, every time I didn't go mid lane every fucking support would auto attack or get most last hits (I've been trying carries, Morphling is fun) when the hero I'm playing desperately needs them.
DotA2 - Original Thread - Raul - 2013-01-23
IT'S TROLLING TIME!
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=70481
DotA2 - Original Thread - Dusk - 2013-01-23
Where's my Tuskarr