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Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-19
-rubs temples-
Eveyone was pretty much claiming meta was pulling the same crap last game, I supported the decision because it has such obvious repercussions either way, especially since the role was never actually revealed, just that she couldn't do anything to said apple. If he had a supporting role such as a cop, she wouldn't have mentioned it and put him on the lynch list for the mafia side.
The point of my entire suggestion, which everyone was pretty much on board for until the last minute, was to spread our search. The purpose of this is because sanity isn't easily verified especially by simply researching the same guy. Neither party did this smart, they didn't withhold information or mislead the other claimed cop to verify if they both got the same information. They revealed "he good apple" followed by "I agree". That provides us nothing, so right now we are sitting pretty with one less person to perpetrate, which is one that POSTS ALL OF THE TIME.
We should have researched the two lurkers, since we HAVE no information to go on regarding them, and even if ONE leads us to a good apple, they are worthless to the town anyway because they don't post AND we get rid of the insane cop. It's infuriating we lost an opportunity like this because we didn't discuss this as a group, we jumped on impulses at last minute and that was a terrible, TERRIBLE idea.
That and I'm even more annoyed, that the moment I bring up such selfishness, I get accused for leading the town in the wrong direction? WHAT DIRECTION IS THIS. There IS NO direction, encouraging a method to get the most information as possible (IE, Figure out who the lurkers are, then if they are innocent we can focus on subtext), rather than, no subtext, no leads, and a single person that has been "verified". Well actually two since one also died, and we were pretty clear meta was on our side.
Being accused and attempting too deflect is juvenile, it's scummy, and just a waste of peoples time. When you think your life is greater than the entire town's, you're no better than the mafia.
Also [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; I was goating niernen, he suggested immediately that cannibalism was an option and I tried to get more fill on that but the conversation dropped off because he went inactive.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-19
KhainiWest Wrote:Also Polantaris; I was goating niernen, he suggested immediately that cannibalism was an option and I tried to get more fill on that but the conversation dropped off because he went inactive.
It was dropped because there was nothing there, i was just making flavor jokes the first day since there was no information.
Inactives don't contribute to the town. If we can't determine a mafia member, it is better to lynch an inactive an hope they were mafia than lynch an active townapple. Even if they were innocent, they would not help us find another mafia member, and it is unlikely they had a power, as they would probably mention that to try and save themselves.
Also, I'm Hardcore Hal, a Granny Smith, if that helps.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - faonkarino - 2014-06-19
I do not think MasPan would give out game information using flavors... Except he already did, regarding VerrKol's death. Hum.
I still think it's rather irrational for a mod to do so. This is a game of logic, not finding small crumbs in flavors and following them.
About my name, I'm Seedy Stam, a Golden Delicious, not that it matters much.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-19
Niernen Wrote:It was dropped because there was nothing there, i was just making flavor jokes the first day since there was no information.
Inactives don't contribute to the town. If we can't determine a mafia member, it is better to lynch an inactive an hope they were mafia than lynch an active townapple. Even if they were innocent, they would not help us find another mafia member, and it is unlikely they had a power, as they would probably mention that to try and save themselves.
Also, I'm Hardcore Hal, a Granny Smith, if that helps.
If we have inactives were better off clarifying their worth immediately so we can either focus on them or disregard them. At this point it's probably best if the doctor reveals his role so that we get another night for two investigations, I'm under the assumptions this double kill circumstance was just a one time thing.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-19
KhainiWest Wrote:If we have inactives were better off clarifying their worth immediately so we can either focus on them or disregard them. At this point it's probably best if the doctor reveals his role so that we get another night for two investigations, I'm under the assumptions this double kill circumstance was just a one time thing.
Unless you are thinking of lynching the doctor, I don't see why we should ask him to come out. That would only invite the Mafia to kill him, or one of the cops. If our 3 most important roles are out in the open, it would only be a short matter of time before the Mafia eliminates them. And if they get the doctor, the cops will die shortly afterwards.
But I do agree, we should probably decide if inactives are important or not. If we kill them off, we could possibly get a mafia member that has been staying silent, worst case we kill off a townapple that was not contributing.
The problem with asking the doctor to come out is that an inactive could claim to be a doctor and was staying silent to avoid the mafia looking at them. We can't really prove a doctor, unlike a cop. Claiming to be the doctor gives immunity to lynching, but if a mafia member claims it first it would be harder to prove. At least in the cops case, you can lynch and see if he was right.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-19
Niernen Wrote:Unless you are thinking of lynching the doctor, I don't see why we should ask him to come out. That would only invite the Mafia to kill him, or one of the cops. If our 3 most important roles are out in the open, it would only be a short matter of time before the Mafia eliminates them. And if they get the doctor, the cops will die shortly afterwards.
But I do agree, we should probably decide if inactives are important or not. If we kill them off, we could possibly get a mafia member that has been staying silent, worst case we kill off a townapple that was not contributing.
The problem with asking the doctor to come out is that an inactive could claim to be a doctor and was staying silent to avoid the mafia looking at them. We can't really prove a doctor, unlike a cop. Claiming to be the doctor gives immunity to lynching, but if a mafia member claims it first it would be harder to prove. At least in the cops case, you can lynch and see if he was right.
I maintain that inactives are not important right now. There is absolutely no chance that there's only one mafia member left, and the only major inactive is TheBirds. It's illogical to vote for him, because we have other people who are far more suspicious and our first inactive lynch did absolutely nothing productive. The more innocents we lynch the more likely we will lose. Eventually mafia will reach majority, and we're already down 3 people. I have no idea how many people the mafia have, but we need to consider avoiding lynching people off of inactive claims because that just makes it easier to hit a majority on mafia side. Even though TheBirds isn't contributing anything verbally, as long as he is innocent he reduces the chances of a majority win for the mafia.
I also don't think the doctor should role claim at all unless they have a large majority vote with less than 12 hours left. The doctor cannot protect themself, and as a result them roleclaiming will get them killed. There is absolutely no reason for the doctor to roleclaim without being voted for.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Holypie - 2014-06-19
God damn you guys post a lot when I'm asleep. Also in case you guys forgot I'm Merry Mac the McIntosh apple.
Khaini, I was never on board with your suggestion, because even I was unsure of what information I would receive from investigation, hence the whole flavour cop thing. Having both cops investigate the same target gives an idea of sanity and also (sorry for not mentioning this earlier, it slipped my mind) helps to determine what info we get. I wanted to do this because at the time I had no information and Kyrastri had some strange stuff regarding CJ so I wanted to clarify my own powers before striking off into the unknown. And sanity isn't a matter of trying to trick the other cop, it's receiving the wrong investigative result from the mod, so having both cops investigate the same target is a viable way to check sanity given that the other cop is trustworthy. Apart from this I'm just going to be repeating myself and it really doesn't look like I can convince you, so believe what you will but I had the town's best interests at heart, not some "selfish" goal (I don't even know how a cop can be selfish, because cops win with the town?).
Investigating the same person is far from disastrous, we missed half a night of investigation, but we confirmed that neither cop was insane and that two people visited Olsi (thanks to BTA) which I think is a reasonable basis of trust for Kyra and I. So now we can set off investigating the suspicious or inactive or whoever you guys think might be mafia, with confidence.
One thing to note is that TheBirds likely has a night action otherwise he would have been godkilled long ago. MasPan said that he would smite anyone who was inactive inexplicably, we've seen like one post and no excuses for inactivity, and he hasn't been subbed out so it's not due to life things like cookie (or there are no more subs). A night action being reliably carried out would (possibly) excuse him from godkill.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Shidoshi - 2014-06-19
Posting some impressions without having finished on all Day 2 posts:
LuvDWayULie:
Seems like a misguided townie that is getting the hang of the game now. I don't think we should crucify him now that he's actually contributing.
Polantaris / Faon:
Your posts have been really helpful (even if I seem to be on everyone's lists), being a good townie means having some controversial opinions.
ChaoticCJ:
As pointed out by Polantaris, the investigation on him doesn't really confirm him as innocent or mafia so I don't discard suspicions of him.
Kyra / Holypie:
I hold more suspicion on Holypie than Kyra of being mafia. Even if Holypie was first in giving his result today, the target was already agreed upon on Day 2. It's not hard for the mafia to simply know who is town. We've had much more info on Kyra's information than Holy as well as less suspicious acts. But I don't think we should be going for any of the two now.
KhainiWest:
My biggest suspect now. He started the day trying to pin suspicion of a 3rd party, a problem more to the mafia than to the town, with very poor reasoning on Niernen based on flavor posting.
Next he pulls suspicion on the current cops for doing something that was largely agreed upon on Day 2. He focused on Kyra more than Holy, when to me Holy is the one more suitable to receive suspicion.
Ttere's also the possibility of bussing Words that Polantaris brought up.
[Vote] KhainiWest
PS: I thought the thing about tied votes was pretty clear on the rules, dunno why everyone was so confused about it. I still have about 20 more posts to read on this day.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-19
If @TheBirds does have a night actions, it would probably be a good idea for someone to watch him tonight, weather to confirm if he does and/or what side he was on. The rest of the people that have watching or investigative powers should watch who they find suspicious. If anyone is suspicious of me still, I'm fine with a cop investigating me to prove my innocence, but I fell like it would be a waste when you could possible catch another mafia member instead.
So, would people mind listing who they are suspicious of and we could narrow down the list of who should be investigated or lynched from there?
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Holypie - 2014-06-19
Sorry but what's been suspicious about me? I just want this to be clarified because it seems like LuvD is out to get me and now his suspicions are being echoed by Shidoshi. I know I'm not a big target right now but I want to get it out of the way so we can focus on bigger issues. For information on the first night I investigated yoshi and found a broken stem and some applesauce, and on the second night I spent most of the night studying Olsi and didn't find anything suspicious so I left confident that he was good. This is all the information I have, I can see why Kyrastri was getting frustrated earlier.
Edit:
I'm now suspicious of TheBirds and Khaini mostly, but I don't think we should lynch TheBirds as having a night action and being inactive does not necessarily mean that they're scum.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - faonkarino - 2014-06-19
Just look at the votes, [MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION];
LuvD, Khaini and HolyPie. Kyra could investigate HolyPie and HolyPie could investigate Khaini. Since my vote, LuvD has been contributing WAY more, so I think I'll remove my vote for now.
It's strange though. Shidoshi votes on Khaini, which for me is acting similarly to LuvD: making mistakes because of either newbness and/or events. Not that newbness makes him innocent, but if you take it into account and watch his behaviour, it would make sense. I'll wait for Corn and Shidoshi to reach us and see what they'll post, but so far it seems that I will keep to my word.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Shidoshi - 2014-06-19
You are more suspicious than Kyra mainly for "investigating" a townie that died and then following the plan and investigating Olsi. A mafia member could make your claims and investigations without any actual power. Kyra at least has his investigation of CJ with which he risks himself more (as well as that "MasPan's box is full" post on the discussion thread).
Still you are only more suspicious than him, not the one I think we should lynch today.
I'm a McIntosh Apple as well.
My vote on CJ on Day 1 was based on my belief that Sega was innocent and we should have gone for another person on that lynch. CakesXD or CJ were my main suspects at the time, right now it's Khaini.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Polantaris - 2014-06-19
I've removed my vote from LuvDWayULie, however I'm not saying that I don't suspect them any less than I used to. I just think that it's pretty likely that they just were unsure of how to play at first. Unfortunately that makes them seem like mafia. I'll be keeping an eye on them.
As for who to vote instead...not sure. I'm leaning towards KhainiWest. The majority of my post about them was ignored, in favor of a general "respond to everyone post" yet they responded to the small portion about cannibalism so I don't know what the deal is there since most of my post had nothing to do with accusations of "leading the town in the wrong direction". But, there's plenty of people to go around so I'm not really sure.
Tonight I'll do my note taking for the second day and part of today, not even sure why I'm still up, and I'll have a better idea then.
Shidoshi Wrote:PS: I thought the thing about tied votes was pretty clear on the rules, dunno why everyone was so confused about it. I still have about 20 more posts to read on this day.
As far as I can tell it was mostly me that wanted clarification. I just wanted to be sure, as I'd rather have a definite yes or a no then infer something and be wrong.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Shidoshi - 2014-06-19
Both Khaini and LuvD have made things that can be attributed as either newbness or scum. However, LuvD's majority voting was more clearly newbish and he has been pretty forward saying he's new to the game as well as changing his behavior. Khaini's has been gauging players as lynch targets with weak reasoning and hasn't really come here apologize for anything as new player syndrome.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-19
Holypie Wrote:For information on the first night I investigated yoshi and found a broken stem and some applesauce, and on the second night I spent most of the night studying Olsi and didn't find anything suspicious so I left confident that he was good. This is all the information I have, I can see why Kyrastri was getting frustrated earlier.
To be fair, a mafia member would know Yoshi was going to be dead and could come up with something to make it look like they had cop powers. And since mafia members know who the townies are, its not to hard to say Olsi is a town. Unless you both investigate a mafia member and manage to tell us the results, or you get killed, we really can't know 100%
[MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION]; I have a feeling you aren't going to be happy when you come back to this thread
I agree we can probably leave [MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; alone for now. Probably not too much harm, and if we can investigate them we can tell for sure tomorrow. Has @CakesXD said anything the past day? I don't really remember them posting much. Might also be something to look into.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-19
I lost interest, none of you are even remotely able to cooperate, and I don't have the patience to pull teeth to get people to do so.
I'm the Doctor, although at this point I'm more of a Mad Doctor
@Shidoshi;
First off, before I rip your throat out, I mentioned the fact neirnen brought up cannibalism on his OWN accord, I mean this is like frekin Sherlock 101 for Christ sake. Secondly, yes I want Holypie dead because he did the exact thing I encouraged us NOT to do. If anything YOUR OWN REASONING is WEAKER, therefore by your own words you are Mafia to be quite honest.
[MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION];
I accidently visited you because I thought the whole night thing was literally at night, I thought I revoked the visit but I merely told him I did it in error. As for my choice for Kyrastri, I was pretty sure she was going to be targeted since everyone was saying PROTECT META< so rather, I did the opposite thinking the mafia would do the same. Unfortunately I thought too many steps ahead which would possibly mean the current mafia is inexperienced.
HUH WONDER WHO THAT LEAVES US. But go cluck among yourselves I'm sure this godlike logic will go above your heads
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Holypie - 2014-06-19
Shidoshi Wrote:You are more suspicious than Kyra mainly for "investigating" a townie that died and then following the plan and investigating Olsi. A mafia member could make your claims and investigations without any actual power. Kyra at least has his investigation of CJ with which he risks himself more (as well as that "MasPan's box is full" post on the discussion thread).
Still you are only more suspicious than him, not the one I think we should lynch today.
I'm a McIntosh Apple as well.Let me check my PM here for my name. Checking stuff and remembering everything I wanted to say is hard on TapaTalk.I'm Ruby Red.
My vote on CJ on Day 1 was based on my belief that Sega was innocent and we should have gone for another person on that lynch. CakesXD or CJ were my main suspects at the time, right now it's Khaini.
That's fair, my mistake to investigate someone who was pretty clearly going to die, but it was my plan to investigate Olsi, though that doesn't really do much to clear my name anyway. Yeah there isn't much I can do to at this point without more investigations. Thanks.
KhainiWest Wrote:I lost interest, none of you are even remotely able to cooperate, and I don't have the patience to pull teeth to get people to do so.
I'm the Doctor, although at this point I'm more of a Mad Doctor
Shidoshi;
First off, before I rip your throat out, I mentioned the fact neirnen brought up cannibalism on his OWN accord, I mean this is like frekin Sherlock 101 for Christ sake. Secondly, yes I want Holypie dead because he did the exact thing I encouraged us NOT to do. If anything YOUR OWN REASONING is WEAKER, therefore by your own words you are Mafia to be quite honest.
That isn't too surprising considering Kyrastri was the one that was saved last night, because as far as I can remember you were the only one suggesting that. I suggested protecting Meta but that was ignored, you don't see me raging at anyone about it. I did what you encouraged us not to do because I thought it was the best course of action. You ignored what I suggested because you thought it wasn't the best course of action. And now we're here. You wanted me dead, you'll have that soon enough I suppose. And since the mafia knows that Khaini obviously isn't going to protect me, I guess I'm dead. It's been a fun game guys, lots of chaos and shenanigans.
Edit to your edit: And now you're just being petty.
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Shidoshi - 2014-06-19
Removing my vote from Khaini, unless someone comes along to counter claim doctor which I think is unlikely.
This leaves us with TheBirds, LuvDWayULie, ChaoticCJ and CakesXD in my book. Holypie I think should be left for tomorrow to reassert.
For now I'll lead off with:
[Vote] ChaoticCJ
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - KhainiWest - 2014-06-19
Holypie Wrote:That isn't too surprising considering Kyrastri was the one that was saved last night, because as far as I can remember you were the only one suggesting that. I suggested protecting Meta but that was ignored, you don't see me raging at anyone about it. I did what you encouraged us not to do because I thought it was the best course of action. You ignored what I suggested because you thought it wasn't the best course of action. And now we're here. You wanted me dead, you'll have that soon enough I suppose. And since the mafia knows that Khaini obviously isn't going to protect me, I guess I'm dead. It's been a fun game guys, lots of chaos and shenanigans.
Yeah, saving a drunk over an actual detective, bad play on my part, srry guyz
Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory - Niernen - 2014-06-19
KhainiWest Wrote:At this point it's probably best if the doctor reveals his role
Well, we know who is going to get killed tonight now....
Although the mafia killing meta was a surprise, we did say that Meta would be the mafia's first target, and the doctor should proctect them. We would assume the mafia would not attack someone they thought the doctor is protects, but it seems they either saw through that or really wanted meta dead.
But all of your posts being negative today probably didn't help you much.
[MENTION=7423]TheBirds[/MENTION]; [MENTION=10466]CakesXD[/MENTION]; It would be nice if you guys could say something. I know its a lot to catch up on, but at least let us know your still here or if you are busy with real life.
It is possible that the night actions TheBirds and possibly Cake has are mafia actions. It would explain why they are silent and they have not been god killed (although I guess they could be subbed)