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Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-06-14 Declaimed Wrote:The current build that I've arranged for purchase: Just to further probe on the build: 1. Case this whole thing is going in? 2. I recommend the Samsung 840 Pro(note the pro) over the Corsair Neutron 3. Note that AS5 does have a cure time, its not recommended to boot the computer right after applying AS5 4. Always when going to watercooling, You accept the risks of any damage, even if its an AIO. though at this point in time, for haswell/ivy cpus, gains are extremely minimal. Intel using TIM instead of Solder when lidding the chips made these bad thermally productive chips unless you want to avoid warranty and delid 5. Speed on the ram you are purchasing? 6. Since you are buying an 850w psu, I'm assuming you are looking to SLI/Crossfire in the future? when it comes to GPU recommendations at this price tier: absolute lowest i recommend for this tier: 2gb HD 7870 LE(a tahiti based(7900) card that packs a punch for its price) ~260$ general recommendations: 3gb HD 7950 (tahiti chip, cheapest with 3gb and 384 bit memory bus, will explain below) ~300$ 3gb HD 7970 (Tahiti chip, more stream processors than above) ~380-400$ 2gb Gtx 770 (kepler fresh chip, rebranded Gtx 680 with higher clocks and better quality memory than the 680) ~400$ 3gb HD 7970 Ghz (factory overclocked 7970, value wise, its better to get a 7970 and manually do it) ~440$ 5gb Gtx 780 (GK-110 based) ~650$ << expensive and most likely out of your budget If the two cards you are interested in is the 770 and the 7970, I will pinpoint the differences between the two as of the moment: 7970 Pros ------------ Higher capacity to overclock(due to nvidia's green light program, voltage increases on nvidia gpus are locked) when max, will surpass the 770 3gb vram ontop of 384 bit memory bus alows for extreme heavy gameplay and more likely will survive next gen games due to the fact that next gen consoles have much more vram given to them better general compute performance(GCN will be optimized for Adobe CS6 for example) Comes with AAA games(depending on global location and store) Resolution Scaling is superb(works better at 1440p then counterpart) Crossfire Scaling generally is higher 7970 Cons ------------ Toasty hot depending on model, fans can get loud under high clocks power consumption is higher 770 Pros ------------ Faster Straight out of the box Runs cooler Newer Ability to use Nvidia based GPU physics Adaptive vsync allows less jerky framedrops More stable SLI frametime CUDA enabled programming 770 Cons ----------- Longevity of 2gb vram is unknown. newer games in the future will likely go past that barier(games like crysis 3 already has past the 2gb barrier) Slightly crippled compute performance on general tasks Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Declaimed - 2013-06-14 1. Case this whole thing is going in? --- Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition. 2. I recommend the Samsung 840 Pro(note the pro) over the Corsair Neutron 3. Note that AS5 does have a cure time, its not recommended to boot the computer right after applying AS5 4. Always when going to watercooling, You accept the risks of any damage, even if its an AIO. though at this point in time, for haswell/ivy cpus, gains are extremely minimal. Intel using TIM instead of Solder when lidding the chips made these bad thermally productive chips unless you want to avoid warranty and delid. --- The modular liquid cooler wouldn't help at all? I want to keep my processor as cool as possible. 5. Speed on the ram you are purchasing? --- 9/9/9/9 DDR3 1600 6. Since you are buying an 850w psu, I'm assuming you are looking to SLI/Crossfire in the future? --- I read something somewhere that advised to run the PSU well under its maximum load. I also saw that this particular PSU is on sale with mail in rebate + promo code ($125 after all is said and done). SLI is a possibility in the future. No current plans to overclock GPU. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-06-14 Declaimed Wrote:1. Case this whole thing is going in? --- Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition. Case is fine if you go through with WC I believe: as for WC, of the current age, we live in one in which air cooling properties are so advanced, as well as lower TDP processor chips to where WC does not bring much of a gain at all compared to high end air cooling towers(e.g Noctua D14H, Phanteks Dual Tower) and is more of an aesthetic thing. because back then, chips would be like 2.8 ghz and overclock to 4.2 for example. today it would be 3.4 ghz(3.8 turbo) to 4.5 which is a much smaller gain. Heres an example of WC units vs the D14H they all reach similar temperatures but there's one blaring thing that's noticeable. the Air unit is significantly quieter(~3dba is about twice the magnitude) and cheaper. Which is why AIO watercooling is more of a aesthetic thing rather than actual performance indicator. the other minor thing is that large aircoolers cause some users to worry since they are pretty heavy and some thing that their motherboard will break.(usuallywont happen uness you like tipping your case and dropping it over a long period of time. For psus, it only takes ~550w max unit to power a good single gpu single cpu and OC it. 850w are designed for multi gpu setups. if overclocking isnt your thing then take the 770. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Declaimed - 2013-06-14 Considering the SAPPHIRE 100351SR Radeon HD 7970. The "toasty hot" thing, do I have anything to worry about? Can it overheat/be damaged from the heat? Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-06-14 i might be just exaggerating toasty hot, thats only if pushed really hard. at stock or at boost clocks. Its not like Gtx 480 hot or anything Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dusk - 2013-06-14 Declaimed Wrote:Considering the SAPPHIRE 100351SR Radeon HD 7970. The "toasty hot" thing, do I have anything to worry about? Can it overheat/be damaged from the heat? That can happen with any graphics card, but you generally don't have to worry about it unless your case is really cramped and/or you're overclocking. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Declaimed - 2013-06-14 I researched the D14H unit you mentioned, there were a few complaints about it getting in the way of RAM. The modular watercooler I listed has a $10 price difference from the D14H ($89 for the D14H, $99 for the H100i). Are there any serious risks to using a modular watercooler? I've been reading that the unit is leak free/risk free, etc. The tower is going to be standing upright, and it may move around from time to time as well by car. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-06-14 Declaimed Wrote:I researched the D14H unit you mentioned, there were a few complaints about it getting in the way of RAM. The modular watercooler I listed has a $10 price difference from the D14H ($89 for the D14H, $99 for the H100i). Are there any serious risks to using a modular watercooler? I've been reading that the unit is leak free/risk free, etc. The tower is going to be standing upright, and it may move around from time to time as well by car. ram clearance generally happens due to people picking high profile ram(e.g high profile corsair ram with the large heatspreaders). if you have a low profile one, itll fit. as for watercooling, there is always risks. Pump breakdown, puncturing radiator with screws, Galvanic corrosion(due to the fact that cheaper watercoolers use aluminum radiators instead of copper along with copper blocks) are just possible outcomes. Its labeled risk free because the unit is a closed loop, meaning that its factory sealed and cannot be opened without voiding warranty of some kind. Corsairs leak protection policy is a case by case situation. if part of your computer dies due to watercooling, they decide on what is the appropriate choice for the invonvenience(e.g they can give you their own SSD if your ssd gets leaked on and fails for example) Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Declaimed - 2013-06-16 I bumped the PSU down to a 750W Gold, would that be fine for a future crossfire setup with two 7970 HDs as opposed to an 850W? Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-06-16 a 7970 in CF preferably wants ~800w of power. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Declaimed - 2013-06-16 EDIT: Went ahead and ordered. Thanks for your help, Dudewitbow! Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - maplefreak26 - 2013-06-28 Is a GTX 660 still a relevant card even with the GTX 760 being out? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130826 This is on sale for today at 200 dollars with $20 rebate card. Should I get it? I have exactly 200 dollars in my "Graphics Card Fund". I don't usually play any games with any sort of AA filtering on since the jagged edges don't really bother me on a high enough resolution (1440x900 is high enough for me) so it should still run all games on max settings (with no AA?), right?. Thanks for your input~ Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-06-28 If you want my 2 cents, the 650ti Boost is a better value than the 660. the 760 is pretty close to what the 7870XT is(the 760 is basically a gtx 670 nerfed, a 7870XT is basically a hd 7950 nerfed) so if you want my opinion, yes its not that great in my opinion to buy a 660 at this point in time. without counting sales, my order of what gpu to buy at what price would follow: 65$ 1gb HD 6670 -> 95$ 1gb HD 7750 -> 120$ 1gb HD 7770 -> 130$ 1gb gtx 650ti -> |2gb Line| -> 155$ 2gb gtx 650ti boost -> 210$ 2gb HD 7870 -> 250$ 2gb gtx 760 -> 3gb 300$ HD 7950 -> prices past that, 770 ~ 7970 -> 650$ gtx 780 Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - KhainiWest - 2013-07-23 So I upgraded to a GTx 770 and a 27 inch 120 htz monitor, and want to duel monitor it up. Currently I use abotu a 23 inch 60 htz monitor so it's going to choke up the potential of the video card, and the curernt graphics card I'm using is a GTx 460. I got an i7 950, which I believe is enough to handle both card's, and a 850w power supply, but is it worth the tinkering to get my video card to sync up with my old monitor and have the new card work with the new monitor? I just figure I could put the old card for some use, since the new card will only benefit one of the two monitors. edit: didn't see the computer parts thread aaaanndd I don't think I can close
Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Declaimed - 2013-07-24 @KhainiWest: I've never attempted similar, but it seems like a decent plan to me. Again, I've never dual-monitored anything. Thinking about it, though, what is preventing the new card from powering both monitors? Lack of muscle? Just my two cents. I have a monitor question too. I'm currently running with a 1680x1050 monitor which I purchased in 2007 for around ~$300. Its about 22 inches, the colors are great, and the stand is terrific. The problem is that I need a 16:9 aspect ratio for most media. One game I attempted to play in particular, Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed, throws black bars at the top and bottom of the screen when using 16:10, which aggravated me. I'm stuck between getting either: 1) An IPS 1080p monitor, as I love superb color reproduction, 2) A 120 hz monitor, though I've read that the gains are small, or 3) A 2560 x 1600 monitor. The biggest detriment to the 2560 x 1600 is obviously price, but I also worry that 3840 x 2160 models arn't too terribly far down the road. (Plus, my current GPU setup can't handle that resolution at 60 FPS. But, what about future upgrades? Decisions, decisions.) Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-07-24 Declaimed Wrote:@KhainiWest: I've never attempted similar, but it seems like a decent plan to me. Again, I've never dual-monitored anything. Thinking about it, though, what is preventing the new card from powering both monitors? Lack of muscle? Just my two cents. Its a preference thing. IMO the best of both worlds is an IPS that is overclocked to about 90Hz(yes you can overclock monitors, you're lucky if you can hit 120 on an IPS so you have the absolute best of both worlds). its Fluidity vs color, though decent overclocking IPS dont start till about post 250$ prices(and thats just the korean import prices). KhainiWest Wrote:So I upgraded to a GTx 770 and a 27 inch 120 htz monitor, and want to duel monitor it up. Currently I use abotu a 23 inch 60 htz monitor so it's going to choke up the potential of the video card, and the curernt graphics card I'm using is a GTx 460. when you say dual monitor, do you mean being able to game on both screens? or using one monitor on a game and another on something else. I know that the latter is possible, but to use both monitors for a single game is only capable when a single card or a card in SLI is powering it up. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - KhainiWest - 2013-07-24 Dudewitbow Wrote:Its a preference thing. IMO the best of both worlds is an IPS that is overclocked to about 90Hz(yes you can overclock monitors, you're lucky if you can hit 120 on an IPS so you have the absolute best of both worlds). its Fluidity vs color, though decent overclocking IPS dont start till about post 250$ prices(and thats just the korean import prices). I was going to use the larger monitor to game and the 60 htz to do skype and IM's. I did some research on it and it really came down to putting priorities on both cards. From what I read, the difference of power used on the card would be like 6% max so it's really not worth the effort. Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Joe - 2013-07-24 Hey guys, maybe you can help me out with building my computer. It's my first time building one from scratch, and I tried researching to the best of my ability, but honestly, it gets a bit confusing at times, and considering it's a considerable investment, I don't want to pineapple anything up. I'd use this computer for design software, 3d modeling software, maybe animation in the future, and of course games. I'd like to be able to run games like Skyrim on max settings with a billion stupid mods that give grass realistic texture and make the Dovah's arm hairs move with the wind. I don't plan on overclocking anytime soon, although I might try it way down the road. I'm also looking for a PC that will be able to handle games and software for a while before I have to do another major upgrade. On my list is also a Seagate 600 240GB SSD, it just wasn't available on PCPP. Thanks in advance for any help ![]() PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 74.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($62.13 @ TigerDirect) Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($304.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($123.30 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.98 @ Outlet PC) Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 4GB Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1817.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-24 23:21 EDT-0400) Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Dudewitbow - 2013-07-25 If you want my opinions: 1. Dont like lower end watercooling on such a large chip like the 3930k, just a personal opinion 2. Get a 4gb Gtx 770, its both cheaper and more effective than the 680 you have, will explain now: The Gtx 680 and the HD 7970 were the previous top 2 cards offered by both competitors, the key difference was that nvidia cards happen do do well with shading and radeon cards happen to do well under memory stress due to larger vram, and a better memory bus(312(?) vs 256 on the 680) because of that, the 680 was starved out of performance in games where heavy anti aliasing(Crysis 1, Metro 2033) or resolutions past 1080(where radeon cards scaled linearly on performance drop and nvidia cards exponentially dropped after 108) what the 770 brings is a more aggressive self overclocking mechanism(GPU boost 2.0), and better quality vram for higher memory clocks, so that it takes less of a hit in heavy situations mentioned above. actual chip wise, the 770 is exactly the same as a 680, but at a lower cost. 3. I was never a fan of the pricing on Corsairs upper end cases. I dont like the fact that the 600T is not very water cooling friendly, and hovers around the spot where major case designers do well in. you will have the upcoming Fractal Arc XL, which arguably will be one of the friendliest cases to work with(off set fan holes at top for water cooling, fan filters almost everywhere and easy to remove) for ~130 then you have the slightly more expensive NZXT Switch 810 which is proabbly the WC case choice both options are Fulltower, compared to Corsair's Mid tower offering at this price Though thats just an opinion and the 600t is still usable, I personally just dont like it for the price.(also if you decide to get an E-ATX sized motherboard for your 3930k, the 600t doesn't support it) 1 and 3 are just opinions, I really suggest the change in #2 though Need help picking computer parts or a new computer? Click here. - Joe - 2013-07-25 Dudewitbow Wrote:If you want my opinions: Thank you very much. 1. I got the cooler since someone on r/ suggested I'd be fine with a cheap cooler, since I don't plan on OCing. What cooler would you suggest instead? 2. Will definitely change this, thanks! 3. What can I say, i absolutely fell in love with how the Corsair case looks, and even though the cases you suggest are better, I'm gonna be dumb about this and keep the Corsair. It does fit the current motherboard i picked, right? And since I don't need water cooling (i think) for now, I guess it would be acceptable? EDIT: Also the options I have for cards are these, I'm not sure which I should go for:
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