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Government control? - Jamesie - 2014-04-22
KhainiWest Wrote:I thought the visual representation was much more suitableI can't believe I didn't think of that.
Government control? - Takebacker - 2014-04-22
Razmos Wrote:pineapple this thread, seriously. please don't post shitty, stupid things from facebook and expect us to discuss it with any sort of seriousness.
Well on the bright side, i'm sure the conversation in this thread is leagues better than the one on the facebook post this thread was taken from.
Government control? - Razmos - 2014-04-22
Takebacker Wrote:Well on the bright side, i'm sure the conversation in this thread is leagues better than the one on the facebook post this thread was taken from.That is very true.
Government control? - Lozmaster - 2014-04-22
Takebacker Wrote:Well on the bright side, i'm sure the conversation in this thread is leagues better than the one on the facebook post this thread was taken from.
Except for flonnes worries that there is ever a correct time to use nuclear weapons (hey, he'd probably blow the world up for them if they were little girls, ugh) , it's hard not to agree that there needs to be a body in cahrge of most of the things in the op barring the media, so I have trouble thinking it would have gone any other way on southperry.
Government control? - Sardines - 2014-04-23
It seems like everyone can't shut up with some criticism of the government. The government has everything under control like food, water, and media. There's no need for us to worry. The real problem is that people won't stop complaining. If we could just shut up, then the government could finally shut down the biggest problem that has become a cancer to our ideals of justice, liberty, and freedom in a democratic system. They did it last year when we let them resolve a major crisis on their own, we can trust in them to do it again.
Government control? - Niernen - 2014-04-23
.... right.....
If you don't point out flaws and problems and work to fix them, some magic fairy sure ain't going to do it for you.
Government control? - Flonne - 2014-04-23
Lozmaster Wrote:Except for flonnes worries that there is ever a correct time to use nuclear weapons
There's no proper time to use WMDs, but sometimes authority needs to be asserted regardless of the consequences. Just to let you know, I don't consider anything in our lifetimes to be reason enough to use them, 9/11 was definitely bad but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be, the number of deaths was only 4 digits, that's NOT that much in the grand scheme of things/compared to other disaster events.
The rest of the world hates the US anyway, no matter what it does, why bother trying to improve their opinion of us? Someone has to play bad cop or nothing will ever get done, that is evidenced by the ineptitude of the EU and most other world authorities aside from murrica. Being a pansy gets you nowhere with genocidal psychopaths who cannot be negotiated with, they'll just walk all over you.
Government control? - Jamesie - 2014-04-23
Flonne Wrote:9/11 was definitely bad but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be, the number of deaths was only 4 digits, that's NOT that much in the grand scheme of things/compared to other disaster events.By far the biggest terrorist attack in the world, with nearly four times more deaths than the next highest. Not to mention the 6,000+ injured. Yeah, it's not that much when you compare it to war or large scale natural disasters, but it is a significant figure. Not to mention it's shaped policy for the last thirteen years. I also pray you're never going to enter any kind of political sphere because it's clear that you have very little understanding of how international relations work/should work.
Government control? - Niernen - 2014-04-23
Flonne Wrote:9/11 was definitely bad but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be, the number of deaths was only 4 digits, that's NOT that much in the grand scheme of things/compared to other disaster events.
Your acting like it only caused deaths. Immense physical and monetary damages as well, and guess who paid for most of that?
Also, 9/11 is the largest factor in US troops in the middle east. We most likely would not be involved if not for 9/11 happening. So add the thousands of deaths from there too.
Government control? - SaptaZapta - 2014-04-23
[MENTION=9802]Jamesie[/MENTION], [MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION], ok, so 9/11 was big enough to justify using WMD.
On whom or what, exactly?
Government control? - Flonne - 2014-04-23
Jamesie Wrote:Yeah, it's not that much when you compare it to war or large scale natural disasters, but it is a significant figure.
My point exactly.
Spoiler
So basically what you are saying is, it was a much bigger event than what I make it out to be, so we should have nuked them? Trigger happy.
Government control? - Niernen - 2014-04-23
SaptaZapta Wrote:Jamesie, Niernen, ok, so 9/11 was big enough to justify using WMD.
I never said that.
Government control? - Jamesie - 2014-04-23
SaptaZapta Wrote:ok, so 9/11 was big enough to justify using WMD.Never said it would have justified the use of WMDs, I was just saying that Flonne had egregiously underestimated 9/11.
On whom or what, exactly?
[MENTION=2088]Flonne[/MENTION]; Nope, not what I said. You had just commented that 9/11 "wasn't as bad as people make it out to be," when it is by far the most important event of the 21st century thus far.
Government control? - Niernen - 2014-04-23
My fucking god, can we get over the nukes? Please?
Government control? - ImagineAll - 2014-04-24
These type of discussions rarely lead to anything worth while. There are either those who are extremely anti-government, or the people that are just indifferent as long as it doesn't impact them.
A governing body serves its purpose, but it's the role of the people to decide when that authority is being misused, or not functioning for the greater good of its citizens. That simple.
Lozmaster Wrote:Except for flonnes worries that there is ever a correct time to use nuclear weapons (hey, he'd probably blow the world up for them if they were little girls, ugh)This was by far the best part of this thread.
Niernen Wrote:My fucking god, can we get over the nukes? Please?Take it easy, princess.
Government control? - VerrKol - 2014-04-24
Jamesie Wrote:Never said it would have justified the use of WMDs, I was just saying that Flonne had egregiously underestimated 9/11.
Flonne; Nope, not what I said. You had just commented that 9/11 "wasn't as bad as people make it out to be," when it is by far the most important event of the 21st century thus far.
Just because it was the single most important even in American history in the 21st century doesn't mean it should be. While of course it's significant from an emotional perspective, it was relatively inconsequential in that the event did not directly impact a significant portion of the population. In a more apathetic, or perhaps impartial, world, global warming or economic disparity or constitutional rights would be the defining issue of our generation.
We used to have a saying in debate, anything published before 9/11 was irrelevant and inadmissible.
Government control? - Niernen - 2014-04-24
So, anyone want to talk about how the government is letting net neutrality die?
Government control? - Sardines - 2014-04-24
Sardines Wrote:It seems like everyone can't shut up with some criticism of the government. The government has everything under control like food, water, and media. There's no need for us to worry. The real problem is that people won't stop complaining. If we could just shut up, then the government could finally shut down the biggest problem that has become a cancer to our ideals of justice, liberty, and freedom in a democratic system. They did it last year when we let them resolve a major crisis on their own, we can trust in them to do it again.
Niernen Wrote:.... right..... If you don't point out flaws and problems and work to fix them, some magic fairy sure ain't going to do it for you.[MENTION=7446]Words[/MENTION]
Re: Government Shut Down 2013.
Government control? - Words - 2014-04-24
Sardines Wrote:Words
Re: Government Shut Down 2013.
What is the difference between what this thread complains about and that? Like [MENTION=5063]holycow[/MENTION]; pointed out, to me that looks more like a way to incite anti-government feelings than a real and valid complaint because it's missing a vital piece of information, US people are no longer in control of their own government. You'd have to read into it to make it have sense because just those few sentences alone don't actually point to a problem.
Anyway, my point was that people there seem to have forgotten what democracy is and how it should work. You can't trust the government when it isn't run by the people, like a real democracy should. And no, complaining online and sharing this kind of thing through social media only isn't enough to make a change. You need some kind of action like voting, engaging with politicians, public demonstrations that are noticeable but I'm pretty sure people would rather sit and complain all day about the government instead of being the government. So yeah, complain all you want but if you aren't vocal enough in the right ways things won't change for the best.
Government control? - Sardines - 2014-04-24
Words Wrote:What is the difference between what this thread complains about and that? Like holycow; pointed out, to me that looks more like a way to incite anti-government feelings than a real and valid complaint because it's missing a vital piece of information, US people are no longer in control of their own government. You'd have to read into it to make it have sense because just those few sentences alone don't actually point to a problem. Anyway, my point was that people there seem to have forgotten what democracy is and how it should work. You can't trust the government when it isn't run by the people, like a real democracy should. And no, complaining online and sharing this kind of thing through social media only isn't enough to make a change. You need some kind of action like voting, engaging with politicians, public demonstrations that are noticeable but I'm pretty sure people would rather sit and complain all day about the government instead of being the government. So yeah, complain all you want but if you aren't vocal enough in the right ways things won't change for the best.I have no idea what you're getting at. If the government isn't run by the people and there is no trust then why do you think that post presentation on a Maple Story forum site has remotely any pertinence to an actual change in politics? If you're really insinuating about bringing change to the behemoth, then wasting your breath here is anti-intuitive to bringing actual results. Opinions and voices don't go far without funding, man-power, and posing a valid threat to the positions presently in power. The Tea Party couldn't have gained traction if they weren't funded by the Koch Brothers and even then as an idealistic movement it fails to enact similar change politically because all though the party members were a threat, they were nowhere close to jockeying Congress from the status quo. In order to bring about change in Washington, you need to fundamentally change the tendencies of men to do work for others while not having an eye out for self-profit. What's ironic is that this sums up what work is for all of us on a daily basis, politicians are no different as they go about their careers climbing ladders and taking in some major campaign funding incentives before they get fired by their constituents. They are just playing with bigger bribes, bigger scandals, and require more apathy on a regular basis than we would take on in our life-time. Things will only get worse with 'the fear' of reduced opportunities, saturated competition, and specialists at every corner. People will come to feel the need to claw for scraps and this mentality will fuel a never ending cycle of self-interest at the expense of others that will continue to pull the ladder higher and higher until everyone suffocates. In order to bring integrity back to the government we need to bring back values of human decency and justice to be held in higher regard than job security, influential affluence, and self-preservation. Good luck making that happen.
Also one more thing, the government doesn't have sole ownership over all those institutions. Considering each resource there is some privatized sectors and ones that involve quasi-government influence. The point is that the statement in the OP is remarkably ignorant of the details and just acts as a bait to make people angry because it is an entirely juvenile statement to make. I think that the fact that people are responding to it at face value is a waste of time since the reality of the situation is that the statements are completely false on a factual level. That leaves the OP on a concept level which is honestly a simply and singular message that is Fox-worthy. I can tell you something about a Fox-topic, waste of time much like the waste of time I spent responding to this post.