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Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Lozmaster - 2014-03-08

mrtootsieroll Wrote:who knows? Marvel machine was all about timing...maybe the time you bought cubes/start cubing affects outcomes...it is Nexon after all.

Well they have to be basing the random seed on something, time is as good a choice as any when the number doesn't need to be truly random. I would still imagine it being refreshed often enough that it wouldn't cause any significant issues though.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Kingsushi - 2014-03-08

Mazz Wrote:Carved Slot cubes do give a notice when you hit legendary though:

 Spoiler

I feel more like it was working as intended until about 30 minutes in and then the rates plummeted for everything. Most people I've spoken to started off using bonus potential cubes and then moved on to regular potential (black cubes) afterwards.

Oh, ninja'd apparently, oops. /slow

[5:36:28 PM] Rya: Sorry, not what I meant by the legendary part. My time to post was limited, because, well that's obvious. I meant why would it show a notice for unique instead of JUST for legendary itself? And no, red and black cubes did not show notices for getting legendary, Bribery. Not going to bother remaking another account to respond, but the logic is there whether you want to accept it or not. I get it blah blah still banned.

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Idk what this is about what is maplestory Rya is ip banned

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - SkyTheBM - 2014-03-08

I got two double rank ups, with one of them from Rare to Unique and the other from Epic to Legendary.

I feel pretty good (I was probably extremely lucky), considering this pretty much my first time cubing seriously (though I only used 39 cubes, which is probably nothing compared other people Rolleyes).

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Voracious Vegan - 2014-03-08

I don't have the specific numbers right now, but I used a combination of (mostly) red and black cubes, 230k nx in total-- only 2 tier ups from unique to legendary.

EDIT: I decided to stop there as it wasn't going so well. I suppose I too will wait until the purported "revamp".

EDIT 2: I used 180 red cubes and 37 black cubes in total.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Jazeon - 2014-03-08

Well I definitely won't be buying anymore red or black cubes in hopes of ranking up, the % chance should not be that low plain and simple. I think most people can agree that right now, miracle time or not, the chances are way too low especially since this is supposed to be "a better maple" thing

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - KhainiWest - 2014-03-08

[MENTION=13407]MysteryMask[/MENTION];

Well as you can see no one is really happy about having las vegas chances of an upgrade that the direction of the game is demanding you have

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - mrtootsieroll - 2014-03-09

[MENTION=13407]MysteryMask[/MENTION];

Miracle time is supposed to be a time of amazing opportunies for people. But as you can see, not one, not two, but nearly EVERYONE is complaining. The amount of cubes amongst the population can speak for themselves. Please look into this and see if red/black cubes had a 2x chance of ranking up during miracle time.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - fodjgngf - 2014-03-09

Nexon : Well guys we messed up the cube rates and things are worse than they were, here are all your cubes back and we'll adjust the rates.

Day dreaming right?

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - CakesXD - 2014-03-09

fodjgngf Wrote:Nexon : Well guys we messed up the cube rates and things are worse than they were, here are all your cubes back and we'll adjust the rates.

Day dreaming right?

Didn't that happen once when they forgot to turn on Miracle Time?

I guess time will tell, though I'm not expecting anything.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - SkyTheBM - 2014-03-09

As I stated earlier in this thread, I haven't really bought Cubes seriously until this Miracle Time (and getting 39 cubes probably isn't serious either, but in comparison it is Rolleyes), but I double ranked up on my RA top and RA bottom from Rare to Unique with only about ~5 cubes, and from Epic to Legendary with about the same amount respectively. Those in BelloNova should've saw two Double Miracle Blessing notices from me around the beginning of Miracle Time.

I'm not sure if I'm just another outlier, but the rates seemed fine for me. Everyone else seems to be having issues, though, so...I'm inclined to believe I was just really lucky. Monocle

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - SaptaZapta - 2014-03-09

Nexon: wait, you mean Double Miracle Time is not when it takes double the number of cubes to rank up?

I guess MysteryMask wasn't kidding when she said they didn't have Miracle Times often because they wanted to spare our wallets.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - dowie - 2014-03-09

SaptaZapta Wrote:Nexon: wait, you mean Double Miracle Time is not when it takes double the number of cubes to rank up?

I guess MysteryMask wasn't kidding when she said they didn't have Miracle Times often because they wanted to spare our wallets.
i laughed. I'm glad i have no need to cube ever again.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - kayeyearekay - 2014-03-09

100 crafted cubes. (3) unique -> legendary tier ups during miracle time.
a LOT of dSE before getting up tier, didnt see dSI before stopping on 21%str

i also caved in & bought 3 packs of red+stamp. one tier up using red cubes.

Ive been told my results are "pretty good", "that's great", "better than me".... shrugs. still seems a lot worse than old cubes.
I think maybe double miracle needs to replace the normal rate; just without the two-up tier

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Polantaris - 2014-03-09

0 * 0 = 0.
0 * 0.00001 = 0.00002.

When the rate is abysmally low, expecting "double rates" to actually mean anything is just plain foolish. Not saying that the rate is literally 0.00001%, but it's so damn low that multiplying it by 2 does nearly nothing. And that's the point. Saying, "Double your chances!" is way better than saying, "Add 0.00001% to your chances!" You expect "double" to mean a lot but it's proportional to what it's doubling. If it's doubling nothing you're not getting anything.

Yes, there are people who get lucky during Miracle Time, just like there are people who get lucky during Normal Time. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.

I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. It's a marketing scheme and anyone who says they spent over 100k NX and got no better results than the last time they spent 100k NX got played.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Digitalium - 2014-03-09

i got a couple of rank ups with the miracle time blessing when i was cubing bonus pot on my weapons
but when i went to cubing my normal gear i wasted 150 red cubes with 0 rank ups and like 65 black cubes with 3 ranking up from uni to leg but no blessing
i dont know if i should feel satisfied i at least ranked up something or maybe consider that the normal pot rank ups were just normal rank up

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - MissingLink - 2014-03-09

Polantaris Wrote:0 * 0 = 0.
2 * 0.00001 = 0.00002.

When the rate is abysmally low, expecting "double rates" to actually mean anything is just plain foolish. Not saying that the rate is literally 0.00001%, but it's so damn low that multiplying it by 2 does nearly nothing. And that's the point. Saying, "Double your chances!" is way better than saying, "Add 0.00001% to your chances!" You expect "double" to mean a lot but it's proportional to what it's doubling. If it's doubling nothing you're not getting anything.

Yes, there are people who get lucky during Miracle Time, just like there are people who get lucky during Normal Time. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.

I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. It's a marketing scheme and anyone who says they spent over 100k NX and got no better results than the last time they spent 100k NX got played.

Maybe there is more to this than just a marketing scheme.
I recall a lot of people in past threads saying how good black cubes were, but now it seems they are worse during supposed 2x miracle event than super cubes used to be without an event. Perhaps for the first month after they were introduced black cubes did have better 'introductory' rates, but sometime before this event the rates were cut by a factor of 4, so that even with the miracle event (assuming it even worked on black cubes) they still had worse rates than initially. There have been many times in the past when drop rates were lowered or something was 'accidently' broken a month or two after some new boss was introduced. This sounds like a similar trick.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - SaptaZapta - 2014-03-09

Polantaris Wrote:I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone.

It's a surprise because people remember previous Miracle Times as being really good.
People wouldn't have been begging for Miracle Time if they remembered them as a scam.
Whether it's because the old cubes were better, or because previous Miracle Times were more than 2x regular upgrade probability, I don't know. But they were good. This new one was crap.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Polantaris - 2014-03-09

MissingLink Wrote:Maybe there is more to this than just a marketing scheme.
I recall a lot of people in past threads saying how good black cubes were, but now it seems they are worse during supposed 2x miracle event than super cubes used to be without an event. Perhaps for the first month after they were introduced black cubes did have better 'introductory' rates, but sometime before this event the rates were cut by a factor of 4, so that even with the miracle event (assuming it even worked on black cubes) they still had worse rates than initially. There have been many times in the past when drop rates were lowered or something was 'accidently' broken a month or two after some new boss was introduced. This sounds like a similar trick.

It's possible they fu'cked up during a patch and overall ruined the the rates, I will agree. And it's also possible that they screwed up the event itself and forgot to activate it. Since that's happened before I won't say that it's impossible, it's clearly not.

However neither of these things are provable unless Nexon says it themselves, which they won't unless they intend to give compensation. Anything before that happens is speculation with no hard evidence. Also, neither of these are indicative of an intentional "rigging", which is what this thread was started as a claim towards.

It can easily be that everyone was just MASSIVELY unlucky. There's no requirements in the laws of luck that say that people have to be lucky. There are days where the casino doesn't pay out at all and days when it pays out way too much. And when we're talking about rates that are as low as they are, this is a distinct possibility.

The biggest reason I doubt it's actually rigged, and not just stupidity (whether on the part of Nexon or the users remains to be determined, if it ever will be) is because Nexon cannot afford the bad PR that would come with getting outed for doing something like that. I know they're money hungry, but they're not demented.

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - Question - 2014-03-09

I don't know man... I have some friends..... who are very lucky.... got 3-4 legendary in 10-20 cubes... o.0 then again... I also had some friends who use over 300 cubes didn't get a single legendarys.....

I guess it just pure luck

the odd isn't in your flavor ...

do you ever wonder why casino never ran out of money and always end up making more than it lose?

cuz the odd of their flavor in a long run is always on them..

cube rate is 2% ... double the rate is 4 % ... ok you got 4% out of 100 % chance to hit leg... ofc you u would lose more than you think
that how luck work

Miracle Time Possibly Rigged? - KhainiWest - 2014-03-09

Question Wrote:I don't know man... I have some friends..... who are very lucky.... got 3-4 legendary in 10-20 cubes... o.0 then again... I also had some friends who use over 300 cubes didn't get a single legendarys.....

I guess it just pure luck

the odd isn't in your flavor ...

do you ever wonder why casino never ran out of money and always end up making more than it lose?

cuz the odd of their flavor in a long run is always on them..

cube rate is 2% ... double the rate is 4 % ... ok you got 4% out of 100 % chance to hit leg... ofc you u would lose more than you think
that how luck work

And as said by Sapta if that was what it was last time no one would have invested this time. So at this point it isn't about luck, it's about false advertising since the results from this and the previous event are worlds apart.