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Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - solid_ice8 - 2008-07-16
lol
i know about berserk being increased
hex was increased too?
and btw MasPan, monster magnet was upgraded
it's able to pull about 6 monsters now
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - HiiEN - 2008-07-16
They did something to Hex? Well anyways, I still think Himes are good until 140 or until you can 2hko skeles/newties. Nobody will take you if you do any less. I would much rather have Achilles maxed before Rush maxed, and Rush maxed before Hex maxed. I prefer the healing over the buffs so I summon the beholder either ways, therefore I can't afford to pump Hex; I'd rather divert those points elsewhere.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - rattown - 2008-07-16
hex's casting rate was fixed so that it buffs more frequently so the probablity of you missing one of the buffs is slim to none. as for stance 20 .... i think its more expensive than beserk 30 in windia ... correct me if im wrong because ive been in fm several times looking for stance 20 book with no luck. that means that beserk 30 would be more easily achieved than stance 20.
Im not sure how other worlds are doing with ht... but the more groups hting the lower the price of the book will be. while stance is still needed by all 4th job wariors and is excruciatingly difficult to get off pap ... ive been on about 200 paps since 4th job came out and ive seen most pap skill books drop including brandish 30 2 times. not sure if its insanely rare or what but ive yet to see stance 20.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - HiiEN - 2008-07-16
Just because it might drop less frequently doesn't mean it would be worth more. Stance 20 isn't worth 200+mil last time I checked. The highest I've seen Stance 20's book go for is around 50mil, while I bought mine for about 30mil. The demand for Berserk 30 is higher for Drks than Stance 20 is, it's just that you see the same book in the shop because it's harder to afford. You don't see as many Stance 20 books in the free market because once one enters the market it's purchased right away because it's cheaper than a Berserk 30 book. Also the pass rate of Stance 20 is higher than Berserk 30, so most people get a pass in one try.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Wani - 2008-07-16
rattown Wrote:first 3 levels of 4th job ill be himeing since the exp still isnt so bad 10-15% an hour is still decent ... 10 hours per level isnt that bad for me. by then my beserk will be level 10 so ill let you know o.0... itll probably take me a few weeks since i only play 1-2 hours a day ... but meh ..
as for when it was written and when it was posted ... that not my fault you posted it this week so it shoulda been upto date with all the new changes having their affect on it like hexes increased casting rate etc etc o.0
I posted this as a copy and paste from sleepywood, where I wrote it a month or two back.
Which is why it's not up to date. When I have a little more time, I might go through it again and update it.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Xelstyle - 2008-07-17
HiiEN Wrote:Just because it might drop less frequently doesn't mean it would be worth more. Stance 20 isn't worth 200+mil last time I checked. The highest I've seen Stance 20's book go for is around 50mil, while I bought mine for about 30mil. The demand for Berserk 30 is higher for Drks than Stance 20 is, it's just that you see the same book in the shop because it's harder to afford. You don't see as many Stance 20 books in the free market because once one enters the market it's purchased right away because it's cheaper than a Berserk 30 book. Also the pass rate of Stance 20 is higher than Berserk 30, so most people get a pass in one try.
Mmm...lucky.
Stance 20 is about 75 mil in Khaini. =/
Anyways, if this was Stance 30, and the drop rates between 20 and 30 were switched, it'd a be a different story.
However, you need Stance 20 which is a lot harder to get, in order to max your skill.
Berserk, you can easily get up to 20 with no problem.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Fat - 2008-07-17
MasPan Wrote:Except for the berzerk 30 part - this is by far the most difficult skill for a DrK to get to level 30, so you can't truly base a guide on it. Additionally, most DrKs move to skeles when they can 2hko them for a reason - it gives them time to finish off the skele before it is able to completely retaliate, which is the exact opposite of how most PA DK/DrK fight (put monsters all in one place, kick ass). I really hope to see something suited to mob attackers in the near future, although if the exp/health ratio is any good it will simply be overcome by archmages/bishops anyway...
that was a typo, i have berserk20.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - HiiEN - 2008-07-17
Well anyone can get Berserk 20, it's worthless now. I was talking about Berserk 30, and I wasn't talking about Stance 30, that's pretty worthless too. Stance 20 and Berserk 30 are expensive, but the reason Stance 20 is harder to find in the market is because ALL warriors need it and its probably bought out the moment its released into the market. Berserk 30 you might tend to see more because only a third of the warriors need it and it's more expensive.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Xelstyle - 2008-07-17
HiiEN Wrote:Well anyone can get Berserk 20, it's worthless now. I was talking about Berserk 30, and I wasn't talking about Stance 30, that's pretty worthless too. Stance 20 and Berserk 30 are expensive, but the reason Stance 20 is harder to find in the market is because ALL warriors need it and its probably bought out the moment its released into the market. Berserk 30 you might tend to see more because only a third of the warriors need it and it's more expensive.
Couple that with Pap's low drop rate and you've got yourself a crazy expensive item.
Also, I wouldn't necessarily say a third of the warriors because Heros and DrKs take more of the warrior population than Pallys, but I get what you mean.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Fat - 2008-07-18
HiiEN Wrote:Well anyone can get Berserk 20, it's worthless now. I was talking about Berserk 30, and I wasn't talking about Stance 30, that's pretty worthless too. Stance 20 and Berserk 30 are expensive, but the reason Stance 20 is harder to find in the market is because ALL warriors need it and its probably bought out the moment its released into the market. Berserk 30 you might tend to see more because only a third of the warriors need it and it's more expensive.
HT skills arent sold in broa yet, and i hardly doubt they are sold in any other server, since so many people still need them before they go on sale, and btw, killing a horntail is harder than killing a papulatus.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Xelstyle - 2008-07-18
Fat Wrote:HT skills arent sold in broa yet, and i hardly doubt they are sold in any other server, since so many people still need them before they go on sale, and btw, killing a horntail is harder than killing a papulatus.
I'm pretty sure I saw a couple Gen30, Bliz30, Berserk30 and other skills at the FM. Still pretty expensive..
Most of the better runs hover above the hour mark and most of the time, the permanent runners already have all the necessary skills.
Killing HT might be harder than Pap, but it yields greater drops.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Secks - 2008-07-18
Thanks for the guide man!
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - HiiEN - 2008-07-18
Fat Wrote:HT skills arent sold in broa yet, and i hardly doubt they are sold in any other server, since so many people still need them before they go on sale, and btw, killing a horntail is harder than killing a papulatus.Wait I don't understand what you're saying; are you saying that servers don't sell skills as often?
Also, HT might yield a greater drop rate but that doesn't mean everyone can kill it. Yes Papulatus has a shitty drop rate however due to just location of the drop you don't see Stance 20 going for 200mil while Berserk 30 going for 50mil. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you can afford it in time, or earn it yourself. However most Drks can't earn it due to the fact of being unable to join a group that can kill it, since to my knowledge only a handful of groups per server can kill it, and most have the Drks they need unless a new group forms. Therefore if you don't have as much money it's just as hard, if not harder to obtain a Berserk 30 compared to a Stance 20. At least with Stance 20 you have a chance to earn it earlier if you're not funded by the time you reach a level that you can Horntail at, assuming you get into a group which will let you earn it. Of course, if you have money, then things can change around and you'd probably have Berserk 30 first since although it is worth more you tend to see those in the market.
For those who tl;dr, having money = Berserk 30 early and not having money = Stance 20 over time until you might be able to earn Berserk 30.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Fat - 2008-07-19
i was saying that nobody's selling berserk 30, since its a HT drop.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - HiiEN - 2008-07-19
Fat Wrote:i was saying that nobody's selling berserk 30, since its a HT drop.I think it depends on the server, because at least in Windia, there's always at least one being sold 24/7 in the free market.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - ThisIsSal - 2008-07-21
right, none being sold in mardia yet. They -are- selling Gen30 however.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Fat - 2008-07-21
ok so for broa its: stance 20~35m
berserk30~200m
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Wani - 2008-07-21
I think berserk 30 on Scania is something like 600mil, Stance 20 is like 100mil+, last I heard. x_x
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Xelstyle - 2008-07-24
I have a question.
Why do you say that you should put Berserk only at level 5 when you don't have a Mastery Book?
By my calculations, if a level 127 DK were to have Berserk 10, that'd be roughly 31xx HP.
That'd seem a lot better than having only 25xx HP at the same level plus some stance.
Wani's Rough Guide to an Un-HP-washing Dark Knight - Wani - 2008-07-24
Hmm... that's more one of those things that I originally had because berserk L10 was simply not usable for an unwashed DK before they fixed berserk. But basically I said that so you have enough points in berserk to be able to use a berserk 20 book.