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WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Polantaris - 2013-07-26

XcodArc Wrote:Please, no more full screen hyper skill for Kanna, they already had 4 skills like that (1 from beginner, 1 from 2nd job, 2 from 4th job)
Hyper: Double Mana will be appreciated so I can spam all that 4 skills Biggrin

Sounds like something I said way back when hypers for these two classes was discussed more. Kanna needs at least one skill that she can use to attack that doesn't have a cooldown. She's stuck with Tengu for mobbing (in JMS, at least, because the Meso Explosion type skill's orbs don't stick around long enough), and that's a third job skill. Gyouha also needs an upgrade, but that will most likely be in passive buffs, I hope.

Razmos Wrote:Completely agreed.

I also think we need more HP/Damage Mitigation skills.

Kanna has a lot of ways to heal, but the base HP is wayyy too low, about the same as normal mages, with the exception of the extra HP gained from +MP items. Except without Magic Guard. my level 200 Kanna has been nearly one-shotted from Twilight Perion, Root Abyss hunting ground, Twisted Aqua Road and link 6 of Evolving World.

At the moment Kanna is in a real bad place, with nowhere near as much HP as they need to survive, and missing a massive chunk of their damage potential due to their broken skills. I hope Hyper Skills help slightly on the defensive/HP side. and that Kanna actually getting some attention means that it's skills will be fixed.

I can't really say that Kanna's base HP is too low, at least in my experience. She has close to my Paladin's max HP at only 3 levels higher than my Paladin. Maybe my Paladin's HP is low, I don't know. They're both around 15k HP. Of course, that doesn't mean she can't be 1-shotted by very high level mobs, but them doing 20k+ is excessive in the first place to be honest. She needs more survivability, but I don't think that massively increasing her Max HP is really the solution. She just needs more ways to avoid/reduce/negate damage. The fact that Magic Attacks from enemies can ignore invulnerability time doesn't really help either.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Razmos - 2013-07-26

Polantaris Wrote:I can't really say that Kanna's base HP is too low, at least in my experience. She has close to my Paladin's max HP at only 3 levels higher than my Paladin. Maybe my Paladin's HP is low, I don't know. They're both around 15k HP. Of course, that doesn't mean she can't be 1-shotted by very high level mobs, but them doing 20k+ is excessive in the first place to be honest. She needs more survivability, but I don't think that massively increasing her Max HP is really the solution. She just needs more ways to avoid/reduce/negate damage. The fact that Magic Attacks from enemies can ignore invulnerability time doesn't really help either.
That's kind of what I meant by Damage Mitigation skills. Kanna basically has the paper-thin defense of Haku's Foxfire which only blocks 6 attacks before you become completely open to attack for about a minute.

A hyper skill that increases HP and Mana and reduces damage taken would be amazing.

I'm curious about the enhancement skills. I hope Shikigami Haunting gets upgraded to hit more enemies.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - xxkionayxx - 2013-07-26

TugboatWilly Wrote:[MENTION=309]xxkionayxx[/MENTION] your wish has been granted. Rolleyes

Hahahaha YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ok, now that I got that moment of joy out there, all I can say is, where are my other skills, I need some details, and dammmmm even more reason to get those remaining 8 lvls til 200. Thank you, thank you, thank you tms.

Also since they are looking for names for the skill I wonder if they would take a suggestion from a gms-er... has sooo many ideas for the name of this skill

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Arrol - 2013-07-26

xxkionayxx Wrote:Hahahaha YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit:

Ok, now that I got that moment of joy out there, all I can say is, where are my other skills, I need some details, and dammmmm even more reason to get those remaining 8 lvls til 200. Thank you, thank you, thank you tms.

Also since they are looking for names for the skill I wonder if they would take a suggestion from a gms-er... has sooo many ideas for the name of this skill

Here's hoping a Sengoku buff comes with it and that GMS actually cares enough to bring it along.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - xxkionayxx - 2013-07-26

Arrol Wrote:Here's hoping a Sengoku buff comes with it and that GMS actually cares enough to bring it along.

Well to be honest I don't generally need a buff in dmg for my hayato, its already pretty pineappling strong, it's just not having hypers has bugged me for such a long time. I mean come on they could've at least granted me the first page of hypers until they figured out what to give us for 2nd and 3rd page hyper skills.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Tigeon - 2013-07-26

xxkionayxx Wrote:Well to be honest I don't generally need a buff in dmg for my hayato, its already pretty pineappling strong, it's just not having hypers has bugged me for such a long time. I mean come on they could've at least granted me the first page of hypers until they figured out what to give us for 2nd and 3rd page hyper skills.

I'm sorta the same way. IMO my hayato is fine, it just would be nice to have hypers so leveling has a bit more of an incentitive like other classes.

Also, hoping to dear god that there's a damage reflect passive in there somewhere to save ourselves while we are in stance....

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - ChronosXIII - 2013-07-26

Hayato Link Skill level 2 please.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - xxkionayxx - 2013-07-26

Tigeon Wrote:I'm sorta the same way. IMO my hayato is fine, it just would be nice to have hypers so leveling has a bit more of an incentitive like other classes.

Also, hoping to dear god that there's a damage reflect passive in there somewhere to save ourselves while we are in stance....

THIS! so much this!, or at least make ours like pineappling xenon's so we don't get obliterated by simply standing there...

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Arrol - 2013-07-26

ChronosXIII Wrote:Hayato Link Skill level 2 please.

Make their link skill better while they're at it.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - dowie - 2013-07-26

Giving kanna hypers means nothing when you d/c in party play areas every few minutes. Think golem d/cing people only applying it EVERYWHERE else.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Polantaris - 2013-07-26

dowie Wrote:Giving kanna hypers means nothing when you d/c in party play areas every few minutes. Think golem d/cing people only applying it EVERYWHERE else.

That might be the case on GMS, I know nothing about how much Kanna is screwed up in GMS.

In JMS, on the other hand, the only d/c bug that still exists for her is Teleporting can still randomly (albeit much more rarely than it used to) give you a hack warning.

So I will continue to care about Kanna getting hypers.

Plus the entire concept of Kanna and Hayato getting Hypers in general means that they are looking at their classes again, which may result in revamping (hopefully positive revamping) as well as bug squashing.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Zerard - 2013-07-26

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WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - byakugan - 2013-07-26

At first I got so excited because I thought they would be getting the best hyper skill in MS to date. Something like this

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Then I got disappointed when I saw the other images and noticed it seems a lot like demon avenger's hyper.

In any case, this is great, I'm currently playing a Hayato and although I couldn't really tell what they are missing right now since im in 3rd job, I hope they fill whatever holes it has.

And whats up with everyone calling Jett into this? Even if Jett gets hypers, there's so much work that has to be done to them to make them worth playing. There's no reason to pick Jett over a Corsair even with HS.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Nion - 2013-07-26

The thing I was wondering is why tmst and not jMST?

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Razmos - 2013-07-26

Nion Wrote:The thing I was wondering is why tmst and not jMST?
It's not in TMST though, it's just an image on TMS' facebook.

It's most likely going to come out in JMS first, but they haven't announced it publicly like TMS has.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Polantaris - 2013-07-26

Nion Wrote:The thing I was wondering is why tmst and not jMST?

Well firstly....JMST doesn't exist unless they're testing something special, which a couple of hyper skills is not.

The last time I remember JMST existing was for the failed Rebirth system, which they gave up on after the plethora of problems it caused. That was probably two years ago now.

Chances are if they're going to be coming to JMS first, it will likely be with Bamon's League, which is August 8th I believe.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Crowhogan33 - 2013-07-26

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They posted another skill, again, asking for a name for the skill.

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Link - 2013-07-26

I found this on the JMS BBS.

 Japanese version

Give me a minute. I'll translate it as I go, but they do include both Hayato and Kanna information.

Quote:*These hyper skills are to be implemented in TMST (Taiwanese MapleStory Tespia) and there's nothing to say they'll be implemented in Japan.
*These hyper skills are not Japanese original and they are made by Nexon Korea for TMS.
*This hyper skill information is not from Silver Bullet (the famous JMS extractor).
*These hyper skills are translated from Korean, so there may be errors.

Hayato

Shinsoku Musou Reinforce
Damage +20%

Shinsoku Musou Bonus Attack
Attack Count +1

Shinsoku Musou Boss Killer
Boss Damage +20%

Yousousen Reinforce
Damage +20%

Yousousen Extra Target
Monster Count +2

Yousousen Bonus Attack
Attack Count +1

Issen Extra Target
Monster Count +2

Issen Bonus Attack
Attack Count +2

Issen Cool Time Reduce
Cool Down Reduced by 100%


Hayato's Sword
Consume 200 MP to deal 500% damage to 8 targets 8 times.
Cool Down : 8 Seconds
Required Level : 170

The Princess' Blessing
The same as "Epic Adventure"
REquired Level : 200

Hayato's Intention
Consume 80 MP, for 30 seconds, increases attack power by 50, increases attack speed by 1, and can ignore monster buffs and damage reflect.
Cool Down : 90 seconds (Cannot be reset by things like Time Leap)
Required Level : 150




Kanna

Haja Rengekifu Reinforce
Damage +20%

Haja Rengekifu Extra Target
Monster Count +2

Haja Rengekifu Bonus Attack
Attack Count +1

Koma Koma Sakura Reinforce
Damage +20%

Koma Koma Sakura Extra Target
Monster Count +2

Koma Koma Sakura Extra HP Recovery
HP Recovery +20%

Kekkai Kikyou Increased Duration
Duration Increased by 20%

Kekkai Kikyou Cool Time Reduce
Cool Down Reduction : 100%

Kekkai Kikyou Ignore Attack Enhancement
Ignore 20% damage from Monster Attacks

Hyakki Yakou
Hits 15 targets for 1000% damage, immobilizing them for 20 seconds.
Cool Down : 120 Seconds

The Princess' Blessing
The same as Epic Adeventure
Required Level : 200

Pama's Shield
For a period of time, damages surrounding mobs for 500% damage, ignoring attack disables and ignoring damage reflect.


WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Foolyz - 2013-07-26

Ah! 50 ATT and +1 Attack Speed for 30 seconds! Me likey!

WOW! Hayato's Hyper ?! - Polantaris - 2013-07-26

Quote:Kanna

Haja Rengekifu Reinforce
Damage +20%

Haja Rengekifu Extra Target
Monster Count +2

Haja Rengekifu Bonus Attack
Attack Count +1

Haja Rengekifu(Hurricane Skill) freaking sucked, so I can't argue with this group of Hypers.

Quote:Koma Koma Sakura Reinforce
Damage +20%

Koma Koma Sakura Extra Target
Monster Count +2

Koma Koma Sakura Extra HP Recovery
HP Recovery +20%

Koma Koma Sakura, really? OF ALL SKILLS? Not Gyouha, the main attacking skill which needs a massive buff, not Tengu, the only mobbing skill, but Koma Koma Sakura? Are you fu'cking kidding me?

Quote:Kekkai Kikyou Increased Duration
Duration Increased by 20%

Kekkai Kikyou Cool Time Reduce
Cool Down Reduction : 100%

Kekkai Kikyou Ignore Attack Enhancement
Ignore 20% damage from Monster Attacks

Kekkai Kikyou....the skill that's STILL BROKEN, is getting a buff? REALLY?

Quote:Hyakki Yakou
Hits 15 targets for 1000% damage, immobilizing them for 20 seconds.
Cool Down : 120 Seconds

THIS SKILL ALREADY EXISTS FOR KANNA! WHAT THE FU'CK!

Quote:Binding Tempest
Level 20: Mana Cost: 80, Max Enemies Hit: 15, Number of Attacks: 8, Damage: 172%, Immobilize Chance: 100%, Immobilize Duration: 20 sec
Cooldown: 120 sec

THE NON-HYPER VERSION DOES MORE DAMAGE!

Quote:The Princess' Blessing
The same as Epic Adeventure
Required Level : 200

Pama's Shield
For a period of time, damages surrounding mobs for 500% damage, ignoring attack disables and ignoring damage reflect.

Princess' Blessing is obvious.
Pama's Shield is the only skill here that looks good, but Hayato's is better because it gives damage reflect ignore in all of his attacks, instead of in a DOT.

I'm horribly disappointed. I hope JMS has different skills in mind, and TMS just went and did their own thing. Or that this is wrong. That works.