FrozNlite Wrote:tl;dr if you claim to call "wolf" after a "wolf attack," then call it on every person carrying a cooker rice pot for whatever purpose, not solely a Middle Eastern student walking alone with one to serve his friends some goddamn rice.

SaptaZapta Wrote:If it is the size, shape, and coloring of a wolf, it's a lot more likely to be a wolf, than if it's the size and shape of a wolf but the coloring of a golden retriever.

Sorry, I'd rather be "racist" or "politically incorrect" than the idiot interviewed afterwards saying "I never would have thought... it was just a cooking utensil... and he was such a nice quiet boy...".

And it's not like the FBI beat him up, or locked him up, or anything like you hear of policemen abusing young black men for no reason than "profiling". They came, they asked him questions, they left. Better safe than sorry.

FrozNlite Wrote:Damn you all need a lesson in Racial Privilege 101. This typically manifests as white privilege, but in this case most anyone (well, men) who doesn't "resemble" the ethnicity of the Tsarnaev's (or Middle Eastern men, given the country's continued overanxiety towards such racial descent) is more likely to be targeted by paranoid citizens who assume anyone that fits that narrow, prejudiced visual bill is a prospective terrorist, regardless of their actual actions.

FrozNlite Wrote:For example, if I was walking around with the same pressurized cooker pot, the chances of someone calling the FBI on me would be slim to none. In fact, with families visiting for Mother's Day this weekend, I'd bet TONS of people around the country, from all races and walks of life, were transporting pressurized cooker pots filled with wonderful food to share with their families. So why weren't they stopped?

FrozNlite Wrote:Because they weren't of Eastern European/Middle Eastern descent. Because they weren't walking alone, like Oukaz. And because - and here's the kicker - they weren't 18-24, the same age range of students as the Tsarnaevs. Because Oukaz simply embodied these three physical and behavioral characteristics at this time, he was stopped and questioned. But none of them merit such a response.

FrozNlite Wrote:It also bothers me a lot of you say you'd stop anyone carrying a similar pot who looked "shady" with it, or "without a certain reason you can see." Cooker Pots 101: they typically have lids on them to like PROTECT THE RICE, so how are you going to tell from a distance what is a "certain reason" or not? Are you just going to call the cops on anyone skulking around with a pot? Because I'm sure even if I made it look like I was surreptitiously creeping with one, I wouldn't be stopped. And the argument doesn't even work in this case, because Oukaz was actually using it to make rice to actually serve his friends.

FrozNlite Wrote:Plus he's a student - he's a smart guy. Where in the article does it state he was shadily transporting this cooker? By the look and logic of the situation, Oukaz was probably walking quite normally with the pot as he was getting ready for dinner with his friends. So please explain to me how in this situation you could have determined he was carrying it around "without a certain reason you can see."

The "certain reason" you all claim to see is that he's a Middle Eastern student, you racist pimentos.

FrozNlite Wrote:I'm sure every terrorist of non-Middle Eastern descent is thrilled your racism allows them to continue operating undetected.

MuscleWizard Wrote:if someone beat someone to death with a toolbox would you call the police on everyone you see carrying a toolbox around.

SaptaZapta Wrote:I said "more likely", I didn't say the other couldn't be a wolf. Or a rabid dog. There are other reasons for suspicion, besides appearances. But bending over backwards to avoid suspecting something that has all the identifying marks of a wolf, just to avoid offense, does not make sense to me.

KhainiWest Wrote:He looks like a middle eastern carrying around a cooking pot that a few other middle eastern looking kids just did a month ago. That's justified paranoia and he's stupid for not considering that factor. As a white guy, you don't see me carrying my airsoft rifle to any place after a mass shooting (Aurora/Sandyhook), because I'm smart enough to realize, that after such a major incident, such flags will exist. Unfortunately if a crime is commited by my twin brother, and he's caught, I'm still going to be looked at as a potential criminal. THATS HUMAN NATURE.

KhainiWest Wrote:In fact at that point pressurized cookers would be probably banned at that point as it's a second instance. But that's besides the point.

KhainiWest Wrote:Anyone but a white guy because they tend to do mass shootings rather than bombs. If he's with a family, I don't see a reason why not. Here's the problem with your argument teenagers in general are seen as troublemakers. I have had my share of false police calls for being out after dark for alledged drug dealing, and/or attempted vandlism/theft. Did I cry out "OMG, PREJUDICE AGAINST ME BECAUSE IM A TEENAGER", no I understood the conclusion and went about my business. JUST LIKE THIS KID DID.

FrozNlite Wrote:Because the perpetuation of racism leads to an increasingly paranoid and anxious society with the propensity for more hate-related violence and deaths than any and all of these incidents combined. In effect, you build the powder keg to the point where one simply needs to drop a match for the whole thing to explode.

And Dustin, I'm just going to point out instances of your flawed logic:

FrozNlite Wrote:That's the exact same logic in saying "girls shouldn't wear salacious clothing and get really drunk because they're asking to get raped." No, they're not. Rapists simply shouldn't rape.

FrozNlite Wrote:Except sixteen mass shootings occurred in the U.S. last year, many through the use of a semi-automatic weapon, and those still aren't banned from the general public.

FrozNlite Wrote:Your first sentence is a hasty generalization.

FrozNlite Wrote:The rest of your paragraph is an irrelevant conclusion, illogically arguing that just because something happened to you and you didn't react, others shouldn't either in a perceived similar situation. The cause for alarm, however, isn't related to how you chose to act (because, after all, Oukaz here basically reacted the same way, albeit a little shaken): it's how the situation arose in the first place (in both cases) that's inappropriate.

FrozNlite Wrote:Seriously Dustin, your argument has more holes than swiss cheese.

KhainiWest Wrote:You're exaggerating so goddamn hard over a civil right that isn't being infringed that you've completely blinded yourself of all common sense. We just had two muslim's blow up a public event with that very item. You have a dumb ass, walking down the street, with the same goddamn general profile of a muslim with a pressurized cooker, alone, down the street. To god knows where. Guess what, if it happened to be a bomb, and an entire hospital goes pop, you can sit here and feel justified, because you gave him the benefit of the doubt. Maplestory is a great example of this, which I have seen you stereotype specific sub genre's to avoid being, scammed, hacked, ks'd, etc. All hackers are bad, all hackers just want to be brat's, everyone on maplestory is moronic, whatever.




Going around with a pressurized cooker is asking for looks, not asking to be arrested. He wasn't even arrested, he questioned about it because guess what, it was just weaponized a month ago. If you want to cry racist and feel the kid is a victim, that's fine, but I think he's stupid.



Do I really have to point out the obvious to you, or was there a recent amendment about pressurized cooking pots being a god given right? Maybe we should look at, I don't know, what's really heavily regulated and was used as a terrorist act a decade+ ago....HM. I DONT KNOW THE pineappleING AIRPORT THAT FORBIDS TOOTHPASTE. Same concept, and is necessary so we don't have a frekin repeat. We learn from history, we don't ignore things to make sure no one is offended.





It was sarcasm of generalizations since you think I think all arab's middle easterns are terrorists.



...Generalizing saves peoples lives, they are strangers, they are unknown, they are out of my monkeysphere. A month ago you had a college student, who was representing the united states in some sporting event then this happens. You have a lone teenagers walking down the street with a recently used weapon, then I'm going to flag it as I'm hoping the incident didn't inspire this lad to go for attention.



That's because you've already decided me a racist even though that can't be father from the truth. [b]All]/b] stereotypes have truth to them.

The Great One Wrote:The bombers were eastern European you seem to forget Muslim is a religion not an an ethnicity like most people do.

The Great One Wrote:if anything if you're walking down the street with the cooker you should have the FBI called on you if were going on the description of the two bombers you're closer to it due to being white.

The Great One Wrote:3rd point Oh god here we go again,

The Great One Wrote:Last point: Generalizations save no one you must have bumped your head. Generalizations aren't made until after the fact until people are already dead.

The Great One Wrote:Hell mass shootings would have all but stopped if your argument holds they are basically all done by white people. The next time a tragic event happens the person involved doesn't fit the description of the first compare the 9/11 guys to the underwear bomber for example they look nothing alike. The only things these generalizations do is make people scared and hateful of a group of people(if they aren't white) until another group cause the next attack.

The Great One Wrote:Hell we should be looking out for the Latinos they are like the only group that hasn't done anything to us yet.

The Great One Wrote:While Dan is taking this a bit too far your counters broader line retarded.

KhainiWest Wrote:...Latino's are a bigger terrorist threat to us than the Muslim zealots, they have done far more damage, including gun/drug smuggling, that's a fact by the way.

KhainiWest Wrote:All stereotypes have truth to them.

CrazyForDex Wrote:I can understand a lot of the arguments in this thread. That student was clearly profiled and investigated because of his ethnicity, but I do not really blame the FBI for this considering what just happened in Boston. Seems to me that they did their job professionally and took steps to properly investigate the reports. While I find the reasoning behind reporting this kid walking down the street with a pressure cooker rather racist, I can see how it could also fall into that "rather safe than sorry" category. Obviously this is a pretty complicated situation.

KhainiWest Wrote:No, you're jumping conclusions. It doesn't matter where they are from, the common factor is their purpose. Which is for religion, specifically muslim (Although the legitimacy of their interpretation is questionable). He looked like he was from the middle east therefore defaults to muslim, much like the Eastern Euro brothers.



Have you actually seen those two brothers? They look borderline arab as f`uck.



No, here you go. I'm not arguing gun right's, but banning them is not as easy as banning pressure cookers, because it's not an american heritage/right/defense, what the f`uck ever. The reason I drew the comparison of the airport to gun law's is because the airport has banned items that are far more ridiculous. Banning pressure cookers from big event's would be an easy and probably be unchallenged. Unlike gun law's.



Because these events only happen once, right?



That was to show that even white people are stereotyped for being mentally crazy if they fit certain criteria, and yes, we generalize people based on personality tests, interests and all sorts of things to see if they are a ticking bomb. "Child is a loner, quiet, bullied, does really well in school", oh he's going to shoot up the school if we don't try to engage him!

Actually the 9/11 bombers did fit a ton of descriptions and generalizations from the previous Embassy bombings throughout, I believe Africa. But you being such a kind soul, I'm sure will let your 6-7 year old child play with the next door neighbor with no sign of families/friends, probably a loner, or probably a pedophile. Better safe than sorry or unbiased benefit of the doubt?



...Latino's are a bigger terrorist threat to us than the Muslim zealots, they have done far more damage, including gun/drug smuggling, that's a fact by the way.



That's a sentence comprehension issue on your end.

CrazyForDex Wrote:Wow you are really making it hard for me to refrain from entering this discussion. Labeling all Latinos together as "gun/drug smugglers" is pretty down right retarded. Btw, idk how you define terrorism, but I do not necessarily see the Latin cartels as terrorists, at least not in the context of U.S. affairs. Also, I can not recall any major Latino terrorist operations in the United States whereas I can think of several that have been committed by Islamic extremists.

CrazyForDex Wrote:This also isn't true. Clearly some stereotypes have been created from some sort of racist idea or another and there may be some "truth" to those, but some are just down right ridiculous and stupid.

The Great One Wrote:It dose matter the whole reason why the FBI was even called was because of what he looked like. If he was white we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The Great One Wrote:They look like no Arabs I know or have seen especially the younger one.

The Great One Wrote:Here you go again assuming things about people you don't know based on a discussion where you don't know my position on said subject(You really make a bad habit of this with me at least) but I'm not gonna turn this into a gun debate some weapons are banned deal with it it's been done before and probably be done again. Not that I care either way.

The Great One Wrote:Each time those generalizations have saved no one no one has been caught for looking like a terrorist that actually was a terrorist the only thing it has done is lead to countless false alarms like this one.

The Great One Wrote:Yea I know what it was to show what I said is that those same generalization that you claim save lives don't..ever and that the generalization don't help use prevent the next attack is it is usually done by someone who dose not fit that stereotype. But you seem to think me thinking that a guy was stopped based on his nationality and nothing else is a bad thing. Yea i agree the kid was a bit foolish if he didn't think there would be a bunch of paranoid people scared of any cooker they see. Or he could have thought I look nothing like these guys they were white people after all I don't know you'd have to ask him.

The Great One Wrote:Yet we don't have people calling the DEA on every Latino hanging on a street corner. Yet this one guy gets a tactical team around his apartment.

The Great One Wrote:How do you do the whole multi quote thing?

KhainiWest Wrote:....You do realize you contradicted yourself conceding in the very next statement there maybe truth in them. They exist to identify a stranger to yourself. That doesn't mean as a police officer I should arrest/pulled over/harrass every latino in Arizona over their paper work, but if they can barely speak english, are a construction worker, I think as a human being who has cognitive thought I should engage that person and see if he really is legally allowed here. Whole different argument but you see my point, i hope.

KhainiWest Wrote:http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/glen-roberts-loonwatch-and-the-non-muslim-terrorist-2637916.html

Information/char from this data;

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum

Feel free, but your perspective is incrediblyyyy skewed.

Edit: And I didn't say all Latino's are gun smugglers, drug smugglers or whatever. Just the Latino's that have been pushing it, have done more damage than Muslim Zealots.

Before It's News Wrote:Thus, what the FBI report is really saying is that a demographic which makes up only 1% of the American population accounts for one-fourth of all deadly terror attacks in the U.S. and 94% of related casualties! (The 94% statistic is somewhat ironic because it is the same figure than Loonwatch is touting to dispel concerns). The Jewish population in the U.S. is more than twice that of Muslims, but there were only three so-called Jewish attacks during the entire 25 years (all by the “Jewish Defense League”) with a total of three killed.

Since 2005, there have been at least six additional deadly attacks that would probably qualify as terrorism in the U.S. even to the FBI. One was the 2012 shooting by a skinhead that resulted in six deaths at a Sikh temple and the other five were by Muslims, which left 19 dead. This means that since 1980, Muslims in the U.S. have been 35 times more likely to commit terror than all other demographics combined.

KhainiWest Wrote:...Latino's are a bigger terrorist threat to us than the Muslim zealots, they have done far more damage, including gun/drug smuggling, that's a fact by the way.

CrazyForDex Wrote:@KhainiWest;

From what I am reading, it would seem that the article you posted supports my argument rather than yours. Yes, it would seem that Latino-extremists are responsible for the majority of terrorism, but clearly Islamic extremists are responsible for the major domestic terrorist events within the United States and the overwhelming majority of civilian casualties, making them a much larger threat to U.S. domestic security

Therefore, I would like to point out that I still find this point in your post incorrect. Ok, I'll agree that the data shows that Latino terrorists are causing most of the events, but if you look at the damage done by these events, I would rank civilian casualties as very high on the 'damage done' scale and Islamic terrorists blow Latino terrorists out of the water in this regard.

I may have a generational bias because I have only been alive for the past 20 years~, but I would not go as far to say that my perspective is "incredibly skewed" while yours is completely unbiased.

KhainiWest Wrote:You really need to research these events. That death toll you're looking at is 92% from 9/11. While the mexican drug cartels In our backyard. Considering they have killed over 10 thousand of their own residents, in comparison of essentially a lucky punch from two airplanes, I'm going to put them higher on the priority list.

Also this.