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Moderation Enforced - Razmos - 2012-08-11
I haven't noticed problems in those forums, but A: I hardly ever visit them and B: I'm not a mod.
So i'm just gonna go with what Eos says. It doesn't harm any of us. If it's better for the site as a whole, i'm all for it.
Moderation Enforced - MuscleWizard - 2012-08-11
Locked Wrote:No?Not only that but the "hacking situation" that got b4h banned initially was reproducible with normal client behavior a few patches ago.
I just find it sad that one person is causing this to happen for everyone else. It's such an unnecessary extra step that it bugs the hell out of me. I'm not even the only one displeased by this. The kid messages me everytime he gets banned and I tell him what an idiot he is daily. The kid doesn't even do anything really wrong and his first initial ban was almost complete garbage to begin with. The only rule he's probably broken is ban evasion, and I think it was dumb of him to do it sure. This doesn't mean he's throwing all rules out of the window and you know it.
The only other person I've ever seen do this is Ryality, and he was so much worse with garbage posts, flaming and his huge ego yet when Sushi does it he's suddenly the bad guy throwing all the rules out of the window. If anything I feel sorry for the kid because he keeps coming back to a community that doesn't even respect him. The fact that he has the audacity to make an account just to post without causing much trouble besides the annoyance of ban evasion must be so great to cause this rule to be brought up.
I think it's sad, but whatever.
Logging in via the site, going to create a character, clicking the go back button, would bring you to the initial login screen you get when you launch with gamelauncher, except you would be in a client set up to have your login info saved from before
so when you log in with an alternate account
it shows the first account's characters
Moderation Enforced - Sn1perJohnE - 2012-08-11
I can kind of see this as being good in other areas, where some rules can appear gray to members who are posting. It could potentially save them from infractions for posting something that might not seem against the RR, but would seem to be by the Mod Team. Of course, I would assume that something that is blatantly against the RR would prompt a warning the first time, and then infractions thereafter.
But i get the feeling that wont happen, even if the Mod Team is large enough and active enough to moderate a decent sized influx of "reply requests".
Moderation Enforced - Locked - 2012-08-11
KhainiWest Wrote:It is annoying and so is Rya's previous attempts. They keep trying to prove a point where they are more persistent than the moderator's. Obviously they have this insecurity of trying to show off, so I guess the best way to hit them in the nuts is to take that privilege away from them. There's maybe a dozen regular's that go through those types of threads, I really doubt it's going to be as much trouble as people make it out to be.
Kid's probably not going to post here anymore ever.
ddsushi said (Aug 11, 3:16am)
bleh, whatever.
Rapptz said (Aug 11, 2:39am)
I'm going to be honest but it was perfect up until you started posted your DB. How can you be so stupid? Honestly dude. So perfect.
ddsushi said (Aug 11, 12:55am)
Not only that, he blocked everyone in my area from being able to access southperry through AT&T phones.
Lmfao
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ddsushi said (Aug 11, 12:50am)
I don't get it.
Eos didn't ban forever, but he completely blocked my ip from even accessing the site.
:f6:
Etc.
Moderation Enforced - Chameleonic - 2012-08-11
I wish you were as diligent with the swearing and vulgar language bypasses and pictures that have become more prevalent.
Moderation Enforced - Link - 2012-08-11
This doesn't affect me one bit! *puts on awesome glasses*
Also, moderating thread replies in popular threads is extremely tedious as f'uck and will probably end up with these threads dying until this is lifted, if ever.
@Guy above : The censor was always there for fun, not for serious "DON'T CUSS" nonsense.
Moderation Enforced - Eos - 2012-08-11
KhainiWest Wrote:Can't you weed out so that older members don't have to go through this process? Like a month? I mean I do see where a lot of people are coming from, there's obviously many regular's who post in those thread's, I think it be much more considerate towards everyone if you simply put a date limit on it.
Not cleanly, no.
I couldn't even exempt donors or similar from it as trustworthy because that'd just provide a back way in to abuse it.
Chameleonic Wrote:I wish you were as diligent with the swearing and vulgar language bypasses and pictures that have become more prevalent.
There is no rule against profanity. We literally don't give a damn about it if it's not flaming, harassment or bigotry. Those filters weren't set up to prevent it. In fact for every last one of them there's a way to create the real word for people who actually mean it enough to stop and think what the reverse-filter is.
Moderation Enforced - Chilly - 2012-08-11
Many complaints seem to focus on additional work for moderators, which I can't understand since it doesn't affect the complainer. Will the extra work cause some moderation deficiency in some other hot-bed-super-rule-breaking forum that needs it, which forum is that? If the moderators object, then that is debatable.
The other complaint is this being a nuisance to posters; okay, so your post isn't immediately made available for viewing. Are you trying to beat someone or receive congratulations as quickly as possible? It'll get there eventually, unless you're breaking some rule, in which case, it shouldn't be up anyways.
TL;DR: If the moderators don't object, this barely affects anyone else.
Moderation Enforced - sufian - 2012-08-11
Link Wrote:This doesn't affect me one bit! *puts on awesome glasses*
Also, moderating thread replies in popular threads is extremely tedious as f'uck and will probably end up with these threads dying until this is lifted, if ever.
@Guy above : The censor was always there for fun, not for serious "DON'T CUSS" nonsense.
We might as well say all the rules are there for fun then?
I agree with the guy above you. People should be given warnings for cuss words. (Maybe an exception for angry dome?)
Moderation Enforced - Link - 2012-08-11
sufian Wrote:We might as well say all the rules are there for fun then?
I agree with the guy above you. People should be given warnings for cuss words. (Maybe an exception for angry dome?)
Censors aren't the same as rules, but I'll let [MENTION=1]Fiel[/MENTION] explain it better, since I believe he's the one that first implemented them in the first place.
Moderation Enforced - Aircalibur - 2012-08-11
This doesn't really affect me either, and I don't really see the point, but I'll accept that it's apparently an issue.
Moderation Enforced - MuscleWizard - 2012-08-11
>someone posts something in the achievement thread
>want to respond to them
>have to wait five ever for an admin to possibly accept or reject my post
seriously pineapple that
Moderation Enforced - FabledGumbo - 2012-08-11
Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't a MAC/IP/ID ban be quicker and easier?
Moderation Enforced - Flonne - 2012-08-11
Why was this deemed an important announcement that is redirected to for everyone? It's only for a few specific threads in one specific subforum that a lot of people don't even use.
Moderation Enforced - Spiral - 2012-08-11
I'm not one who's too active in those types of threads, but I can see why this was warranted. I have to say, I'm really shocked by how disrespectful a lot of members are being to Eos in this thread. You may not agree with his decision, but Eos puts a lot of hard work into Southperry, genuinely cares about the MapleStory community, and is always adding new content to the site to make it better for all of you. Show the guy some respect and if you disagree, then voice your opinion respectfully. At the end of the day, though, it's not your call and a lot of you guys need to accept that.
How about focusing on all the great stuff happening here at Southperry instead of flipping out over one change in moderation enforcement. This isn't Nexon America, after all.
Moderation Enforced - Eos - 2012-08-11
FabledGumbo Wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't a MAC/IP/ID ban be quicker and easier?
Why certainly.
Can the precog you apparently have in your pocket give me the MAC address of every device an abuser could possibly get access to, plus all the IP addresses of every ISP every such device might obtain and I'll just go enter those now.
Flonne Wrote:Why was this deemed an important announcement that is redirected to for everyone? It's only for a few specific threads in one specific subforum that a lot of people don't even use.
Because it's a significant change to the policy of the site itself and the general functionality of the site and has the potential to impact any and every user.
Moderation Enforced - Kalovale - 2012-08-11
Uh... whatever happened to public reprimand and execution? Why are we resorting to censorship?
Moderation Enforced - FabledGumbo - 2012-08-11
Eos Wrote:Why certainly.
Can the precog you apparently have in your pocket give me the MAC address of every device an abuser could possibly get access to, plus all the IP addresses of every ISP every such device might obtain and I'll just go enter those now.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that was sarcasm. Just so we're clear, mine wasn't sarcasm. I'm definitely no network admin and I don't know all the details involved with finding and banning the addresses of abusers, nor how effective it is. It just seems like it would be easier to periodically ban abusers when they roll around again than cherry pick every post to make sure that it's not malicious or posted by someone deemed as malicious.
I just find it hard to believe that every person you ban has the patience to change devices, IP addresses and login info every time he gets banned just to post in a forum where he's obviously not welcomed.
Moderation Enforced - Flonne - 2012-08-11
MAC addresses are also very easy to spoof.
Eos Wrote:Because it's a significant change to the policy of the site itself and the general functionality of the site and has the potential to impact any and every user.
Maybe if you start doing this for entire subforums, I guess. Even I feel it's going a bit overboard though, not simply because it's more work but because it's a bit too close to the slippery slope of abuse for my taste. Take one step in this direction and you might just keep taking them...
Moderation Enforced - Justin - 2012-08-11
I personally find this to be stupid and a bit overkill. I also think you're being a tad overzealous on trying to keep him absolutely off the website. If he posts and you know it's him, then ban him. I'd rather have to re ban someone every so often than have to check and "okay" every damn post that goes into those threads in order to prevent said person from making those few posts that do very little, if any, harm. You're blowing this out of proportion.
But I digress. Unless the mods have any objections, there's not much us normal users can say/do about it. And since you've made the announcement, I'm making the assumption that you've already brought this up with them, and they agreed.