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Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Eliseo - 2011-09-27
JoeTang Wrote:Phantom Imprint makes at least one Evan pretty worthwhile to have around.
One thing that isn't considered is Evans have 95 extra magic attack, compared to Archmages who have 60, 20 of which is a party buff that can be given to Evans, and Bishops have 65, 25 of which can be stacked with Meditation I believe?
Yes, advance bless can be stacked with meditation. But meditation can't stack with anything else.
In a party with pure mages, Evans get the best.
I still can't believe it. Evans use 2 attacks, while Fire poison mages use tons of them. Blaze is stronger than Paralyze, and we have lots of buffs. 35% of Fury, with 135% of amplification, so much magic att buffs, etc. But oh well, hope Nexon buffs us yet again, legend classes deserve to be the strongest out of the same type.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - JoeTang - 2011-09-27
Abysseon Wrote:I'm just not seeing how f/ps are so much stronger than evans and i/l from the kms vids.
(evans are understandable but i/l shouldn't be that far behind.)
There might be a flaw in how I'm calculating Mist Eruption's compounded damage from multiple DoT sources, but if I remove the bonus damage that Mist Eruption gets from DoTs, they're behind on 0% def monsters by 200%/s but ahead on 70% def monsters by 500%/s
Eliseo Wrote:Blaze is stronger than Paralyze, and we have lots of buffs. 35% of Fury, with 135% of amplification, so much magic att buffs, etc. But oh well, hope Nexon buffs us yet again, legend classes deserve to be the strongest out of the same type.
Blaze and Paralyze are almost equal, with Paralyze having the edge. Then, Paralyze does damage over time as well. Archmages have 145% Amplification, 140% from Arcane Aims, 110% from Extreme Magic, as well as Infinity which I didn't calculate. I do agree that Evan should be stronger than Archmages though, and I/L should be closer to F/P. Bishops are fine where they are.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - White - 2011-09-27
Are F/P's stronger than BM's?
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Abysseon - 2011-09-27
White Wrote:Are F/P's stronger than BM's?
Guess I'll wait and see how they compare when bleve posts ascension vids.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - JoeTang - 2011-09-28
White Wrote:Are F/P's stronger than BM's?
Bow Master would need about double the damage range of the Fire/Poison, not accounting for the damage cap that Mist Eruption would likely hit easily on a 70% def monster.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - KhainiWest - 2011-09-28
So about that attack bishop
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - IllegallySane - 2011-09-28
JoeTang Wrote:Bow Master would need about double the damage range of the Fire/Poison, not accounting for the damage cap that Mist Eruption would likely hit easily on a 70% def monster.
Implying, equally geared, F/P easily trumps BMs at bosses. Am I reading this right??
Ooooh man. Is sad day for ranged when a Mage will be outdoing most of them with ease.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Rick - 2011-09-28
In theory they're stronger, but in the videos does no one else think f/p are slower than i/l?
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Eliseo - 2011-09-28
IllegallySane Wrote:Implying, equally geared, F/P easily trumps BMs at bosses. Am I reading this right??
Ooooh man. Is sad day for ranged when a Mage will be outdoing most of them with ease.
This is bad. DELETE THIS THREAD NOW! I don't want a million bandwagoners into my mages. Go archer or warrior! <.<
Anyway, mages are still hindered by the damage cap. Still, we are the most powerful class without much funding, I take it?
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - JoeTang - 2011-09-28
IllegallySane Wrote:Implying, equally geared, F/P easily trumps BMs at bosses. Am I reading this right??
Ooooh man. Is sad day for ranged when a Mage will be outdoing most of them with ease.
I have no idea how Magician ranges scale compared to Bow Masters, but you need to divide out 1.45x from their range because of Elemental Amplification I believe, which updates their stat window. As far as I know, Infinity doesn't do this though.
Rick Wrote:In theory they're stronger, but in the videos does no one else think f/p are slower than i/l?
I'm not sure what video's you're referencing, but a lot of their DPS is tied up in damage over time which is basically worthless in training when you're stronger, and they will actually lose a lot more dps compared to other jobs just by being kbed since it increases the time to recast DoTs.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Tikey - 2011-09-28
Eliseo Wrote:This is bad. DELETE THIS THREAD NOW! I don't want a million bandwagoners into my mages. Go archer or warrior! <.<
Anyway, mages are still hindered by the damage cap. Still, we are the most powerful class without much funding, I take it?
No one will bandwagon us Evans. GG to F/Ps though.
JoeTang Wrote:I have no idea how Magician ranges scale compared to Bow Masters, but you need to divide out 1.45x from their range because of Elemental Amplification I believe, which updates their stat window. As far as I know, Infinity doesn't do this though.
Amp doesn't affect the damage range in the stat window. I'm not sure about Infinity though.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Flonne - 2011-09-28
KhainiWest Wrote:So about that attack bishopThat's what I was thinking, lol.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Flonne - 2011-09-28
wat, I didn't even press reply twice.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - JoeTang - 2011-09-28
Tikey Wrote:Amp doesn't affect the damage range in the stat window. I'm not sure about Infinity though.
It will after Jump. Infinity won't from the one time I tried it.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Muppy - 2011-09-28
Is there too much of a difference having Flame Gear or not on a F/P? Because if it isn't that relevant, I won't even bother trying to get it...
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - valhala556 - 2011-09-28
uh. i belive it increase the % damage by alot.... but you have to remember than that mist expolsion can hit the cap Very easily on all 5 hits compared to other skills so the ACTUAL damage increase isnt as much. unless ur range is poor (like mine. 7.5k -_-) but then again my mage is lvl 137 which i should be hard core bossing at that level anyhow.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - White - 2011-09-28
Well, I guess I can take solace in the fact that us BMs attack very very fast, so we avoid the whole damage cap knocking off our damage. However....I don't know any F/Ps...
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Veneni - 2011-09-28
Meh, you should also consider fp move around abit more for putting up poison clouds and stuff, compared to BM/ilAM's who can just stay in one spot and spam.
Sure glad to have randomly made a fp though! x3
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - JoeTang - 2011-09-28
Veneni Wrote:Meh, you should also consider fp move around abit more for putting up poison clouds and stuff, compared to BM/ilAM's who can just stay in one spot and spam.
Sure glad to have randomly made a fp though! x3
How much does an F/P need to move to dps at a boss?
Added Battle Mages because they suck. As far as I know, they have no ignore defense abilities.
Magician %/s (KMS FLY 2 & GMS Dawnveil) - Bribery - 2011-09-28
Are bishops scaled to account for their higher mastery like Evans? Also how would the numbers look accounting for Infinity?