PirateIzzy Wrote:What about Dargoth?

Corazon Wrote:-Aran is going to be accepted as canonically female until proven otherwise.

Corazon Wrote:Also at your comment regarding the classes no longer existing, technically, they're going with the ROOT of the base class, meaning what'd be acceptable to a MMO scholar. Warriors are known to carry shields and swords, mages carry staves, pirates were better known for their pistol use, Thieves carry all kinds of knivery, and Bowmen hardly used crossbows in history - only place you see them used is Feudal to Marksman age Europe and China. And do note China invented muskets AND Gunpowder.

Nepi Wrote:Somewhat offopic: Has Alcaster been given any new storyline in the Mercedes or Demon Slayer quests? He was arguably the most important person of rebuilding Ossyria after Black Magician's defeat (built Magatia, madide Orbis float, sealed Zakum, etc.), would be weird if they neglected him now. The Magatia storyline clearly hinted that he stole his alchemy powers from Black Magician's studies, wouldn't be surprised if he had secretly been an old follower of him or something.

Baklava Wrote:Well that was an interesting trip back to the past.

In a paradox, it's the adventurers who bring take an unconscious Aran and bring him to safety, awaken an unconscious Mercedes, and rescue Mir's egg to return it to Afrien.

I would like to bring up that I think the current alliance thing was just a temporary fix-up that was made in a rush because a lot of the characters are really poorly done graphically (Evan, Aran, Wild Hunter, Grendel, etc) and many leaders are missing.

Corazon Wrote:Recall that in past quest lines, using black magic, like necromancy or the like, was said to slowly turn you into a demon. Asmodius is a ploy off of Asmodeus, which is another name for Lucifer/Satan. Since Black Mage probably lost his humanity during the Magatia Immortality incident and became a demon, it makes sense to call him Asmodius, since MapleStory paints him as the penultimate evil.There's no evidence that the Black Mage is any sort of demon, or anything other than a very evil human. I would compare him to Voldemort, he's still somewhat human. Also, penultimate evil?

Story Notes:

- I've factored that in. But then explain the screw up by Nexon in the Alliance gathering, wherein Aran is portrayed as female?Aran is portrayed as a male in every single instance in-game, including the artwork and the NPC in the past. Aran is an exclusively male name. Also, there's both a male and female Aran there, so maybe Aran is both male and female, like the Demon Slayer.
- I blame this one on Mir's immaturity. They're both rather immature, remember that Evan is maybe 12 during that part of the story.
- Then explain to me why his class select artwork is only showing the male version? Then explain to me why Aran's class select artwork is only showing the male version? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
- In my eyes, in a fight you win if you kill the other person, especially if we're talking wars here. Orca got away, but how do we know she wasn't pulling punches here? Remind me to tell that to the next person I get into a fight with, will you? Here, Mercedes accomplished her goal, which was saving the small child. Plus, I see no reason why Orca would pull punches when she is "the one that led the Black Mage’s army in the past before he was sealed away. [Orca] has been waiting a long time to defeat Mercedes."
-This. Look at the comments, and you'll see someone say something about it; again, I repeat it may or may not be true. It seems that they stole those names from the Sentients from Hot Wheels Battle Force 5. No, really.
- I did not know that. But still, Mikhail apparently retains his title as the "most loyal to Cygnus". This is evident by the fact that even though he's a Dawn Warrior, the very symbol of light, he's still easily turned due to his unwavering loyalty. There's a flip side to every coin. Light can nurture, but it can also destroy.
- I dunno about that. Explain to me the rabbit squad she uses, her overall obsession with bunnies, and the fact that she's in the meeting room where Akyrum, Von Leon, and Valfar are plotting to burn Valfar's house down (at Valfar's protest, may I add?). Sounds to me she could very well be an Ariant or Henesys native, adopted by the Black Mage at one point. Ummm... I don't think we're on the same page here. But you gotta know that the general foot soldiers of the Black Wings all appear to be anthropomorphic, and a lot of them are rabbits. That's not exclusive to Orca, or whomever you're talking about here (which I'm not really sure).

Corazon Wrote:True, but if we were writing this akin to a novel, then Lilin and her penguin crew would be majorly responsible for reviving Aran. My guess is that Mercedes awoke after Aran did because the Black Mage's power weakened substantially enough for the ice to melt (Rien's got a special border around it - meaning not much can penetrate that area, which also explains why Lilin and the Penguins had to DIG Aran out). Furthermore, Evan found that Onyx Dragon egg by pure coincidence - their immaturity plays major factors in how they let the Black Wings do so much. Coincidence my right buttcheek. I'm fairly certain that Mir says that he was waiting for someone as pure of heart as Evan.

Grendel the Really Old fits his title, btw, if Alcaster's a walking prune, imagine what Grendel's supposed to be (and this is factoring that Alcaster is as old as or older/younger than Asmodius himself!) in terms of age; most likely he'd be dead by now (he's not going to use the same magic that Asmodius used on Orca - and I feel like Orca got a special favor from Asmodius on that one). Dark Lord should be as old as Syl at this point (I'm guessing both are in their late thirties, early fourties in age); as for Cygnus, she's a goddess - and Goddesses stay young and beautiful forever (just look at Rhinne and the Eurel Goddess!). Lilin's in her late teens, due to Aran's storyline stating she was a child when the prophecy was unearthed - and Nineheart's probably in his 20s by now (which if you follow the time gap from Present Maple to Future Ereve, makes Nineheart in his 50s/60s during that arc). I would assume that Grendel's use of magic over the centuries he's been alive has had some effect on his lifespan. Jin and Syl are both probably in their mid-20's to early 30's, given that they were deeply in love when Jin killed the former Dark Lord, which places them in their mid-teens, add on 10-15 years that they've probably been apart, because Tristian died something like 10 years back, according to the storyline, and he called the late Dark Lord there, so that gives us a minimum of 10, and I doubt much longer than 15. It never says how long ago the prophecy was unearthed though, does it? I would place Lillin more at the same age as Lady Syl, or a little younger. I'm fairly certain that Empress Cygnus is in her mid-30's in Future Ereve, and I'm quite certain that she's mentioned as a "young girl" somewhere.

EDIT - @Viaje: The only reason I'm doing this sort of speculation is because Nexon has YET to reveal any official lore for this story; and lore is the kind of thing we need to make SENSE of this damned arc. I mean, Neople and Nexon are working on DFO lore, and Mabinogi/Vindi have their lore built in, albeit not finished; why is Maple the only one without an official lore written out?

Corazon Wrote:True, but if we were writing this akin to a novel, then Lilin and her penguin crew would be majorly responsible for reviving Aran. My guess is that Mercedes awoke after Aran did because the Black Mage's power weakened substantially enough for the ice to melt (Rien's got a special border around it - meaning not much can penetrate that area, which also explains why Lilin and the Penguins had to DIG Aran out). Furthermore, Evan found that Onyx Dragon egg by pure coincidence - their immaturity plays major factors in how they let the Black Wings do so much.

Baklava Wrote:No man, that's not what I was talking about.

After the battle with the Black Mage, Aran is left unconscious in a field with dark wyverns. Maha can't save him because he isn't a physical being, so it's an adventurer that takes Aran to a safe location.

Mir's egg is lost in the battle and Afrien asks an adventurer to save it so that it may choose a successor in the future.
It wasn't pure coincidence, Evan found the egg because he was chosen by either Mir or the spirit of Freed. You see he gets the Onyx Dragon mark on his hand before he finds the egg?

And an adventurer wakes up Mercedes who would then return to Eurel.

Quote:There's no evidence that the Black Mage is any sort of demon, or anything other than a very evil human. I would compare him to Voldemort, he's still somewhat human. Also, penultimate evil?
Every version thus far is referring to him as the penultimate evil badguy, since Naricain does not exist in any other version save ours, and technically, Masteria's somewhat dead.


Aran is portrayed as a male in every single instance in-game, including the artwork and the NPC in the past. Aran is an exclusively male name. Also, there's both a male and female Aran there, so maybe Aran is both male and female, like the Demon Slayer.
Therein lies the catch. In every single instance, he's male. And in a prior post, I've accepted the fact that Aran is male canonically.
They're both rather immature, remember that Evan is maybe 12 during that part of the story.

Yeah, but remember that Evan's technically got more years on Mir when he finds him; Dragons age fast though. But still, Evan's got superiority here when it comes to age (maybe not to size, as the country boy is still a pipsqueak compared to fully grown Mir.
Then explain to me why Aran's class select artwork is only showing the male version? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Read my response to the first comment entailing Aran's gender.

Remind me to tell that to the next person I get into a fight with, will you? Here, Mercedes accomplished her goal, which was saving the small child. Plus, I see no reason why Orca would pull punches when she is "the one that led the Black Mage’s army in the past before he was sealed away. [Orca] has been waiting a long time to defeat Mercedes."

True, but technically, if Orca's objective was to kill, then this messes up the whole concept of the fight. And I explicitly stated that if it was a "WAR", which your reaction assumed I meant fights in general. In a war, when you fight, sometimes you fight to protect, other times you fight to kill. Mercedes was fighting to protect; Orca was fighting to kill. I consider it a win for Mercedes in what she was doing, but a draw on the "kill" part, since Mercedes could've killed Orca if she truly wanted to. But she let Orca escape; thus it's a draw. And again, both of their fight objectives conflict.

It seems that they stole those names from the Sentients from Hot Wheels Battle Force 5. No, really.

I didn't know whether either of those names were true. Thanks for confirming they were not. But it still doesn't change the fact that a Thief and Pirate legend exists.

There's a flip side to every coin. Light can nurture, but it can also destroy.

True. But light is very hard to turn to darkness. Where there is light there is also darkness. Mikhail's loyalty was most likely the very flaw that led him to his downfall.

Ummm... I don't think we're on the same page here. But you gotta know that the general foot soldiers of the Black Wings all appear to be anthropomorphic, and a lot of them are rabbits. That's not exclusive to Orca, or whomever you're talking about here (which I'm not really sure).

Then why does Orca have so much bunny apparel? Why are a majority of Orca's squadron rabbit anthromorphs? Akyrum's legion is serpent based, as he wields serpent based powers, so it only makes sense for him to have snake anthromorphs. Eleanor's squad uses what's around them (i.e. Francis controlling the common monsters; Baroq disguising as Maple NPCs). It would make sense for each "branch" of the Black Wings to have a theme to them - hence why Von Leon's got a more medieval theme to his troops.

Corazon Wrote:Also makes me think Orca is from Ariant, or around there, since that's really the only place you can find the Desert Rabbits she's appeared to have mutated (other than Henesys, which has Moon Bunnies, but her bigger henchmen appear to be Desert Rabbits mutated).

Corazon Wrote:As for Goire, he needs to be a gigantic Krexel-type general, since his minions appear to be trees, making him seem Terra based.

Corazon Wrote:If we factor in that Mikhail is the captain of the Cygnus Knights, in a story where our first-person view Cygnus Knights don't exist, he'd be the only one capable of killing Eleanor, due to his unwavering loyalty to the Empress. This would make him the canon killer of Eleanor.

Corazon Wrote:the Thief and Pirate legends (whom from a source I hear are to be named Boralis and Krytus - could be hugely wrong on this though)

Corazon Wrote:-Mikhail is the oldest and wisest member of the Cygnus Guard, second to Irena, with Eckhart being in the middle, and Oz being the youngest. Because he's been serving Cygnus for quite some time, even long before Nineheart, he can at least break loose of Eleanor's curse, and be able to kill her.

Corazon Wrote:Since Black Mage probably lost his humanity during the Magatia Immortality incident and became a demon, it makes sense to call him Asmodius, since MapleStory paints him as the penultimate evil.

Corazon Wrote:In my eyes, in a fight you win if you kill the other person, especially if we're talking wars here.

Nepi Wrote:Somewhat offopic: Has Alcaster been given any new storyline in the Mercedes or Demon Slayer quests? He was arguably the most important person of rebuilding Ossyria after Black Magician's defeat (built Magatia, made Orbis float, sealed Zakum, etc.), would be weird if they neglected him now. The Magatia storyline clearly hinted that he stole his alchemy powers from Black Magician's studies, wouldn't be surprised if he had secretly been an old follower of him or something.

Corazon Wrote:EDIT - @Viaje: The only reason I'm doing this sort of speculation is because Nexon has YET to reveal any official lore for this story; and lore is the kind of thing we need to make SENSE of this damned arc. I mean, Neople and Nexon are working on DFO lore, and Mabinogi/Vindi have their lore built in, albeit not finished; why is Maple the only one without an official lore written out?

byakugan Wrote:Such a deep topic about something with so little info.

Eliseo Wrote:Freed is the one who hides Mir's egg, moments before he dies. He then returns to Afrien where he finally dies, being unaffected by the spell of the Black Mage. No adventurer involve.

Source? Mercedes & Evan Storyline.

Eliseo Wrote:Source? Mercedes & Evan Storyline.

Baklava Wrote:I just saved Mir's egg in the past of Leafre. Almost certain that Mir's egg stayed with Afrien until the time was right for Evan, because I don't think it's possible that Freed went to Henesys to hide the egg, then go back to leafre just to die.
All in the span of like...not long

Corazon Wrote:True. But light is very hard to turn to darkness. Where there is light there is also darkness. Mikhail's loyalty was most likely the very flaw that led him to his downfall.

MetaSeraphim Wrote:Source doesn't mean jack s'hit. We travel to the past and completely change the past. Those storylines are now nothing.

Eliseo Wrote:Freed is the one who hides Mir's egg, moments before he dies. He then returns to Afrien where he finally dies, being unaffected by the spell of the Black Mage. No adventurer involve.

Source? Mercedes & Evan Storyline.

Corazon Wrote:@Viaje - You're such a friggin killjoy it almost makes me want to strap C4 to your house and blow it up.

Corazon Wrote:I'm interested in a story; which is why I speculate on what COULD be, not what is.

Corazon Wrote:All you seem to be interested in are two things:

1. Nexon's shutdown, and the return of Blizzard to the gaming power

Corazon Wrote:2. Your e-peen, which may or may not equate to that Reverse Gear you got from Pink Bean/that Horntail Pendant you so greatly cherish.

Corazon Wrote:I make wild assumptions because it's fun to speculate on a story, as well as piss you off.

Viaje Wrote:Where in the Evan storyline does it say Freed hid the egg?
As has been pointed out, that would be quite a back-and-forth trip for someone who's dying.