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PVP Unbalanced much? - Olsi - 2011-07-22
lol try PvP as a lvl 70- f\p fire arrow is hard to hit when people are running away\jumping\using the launchers\on different platforms. I'm having troubles with almost all classes other then like bowmen. Think maybe i just suck lol.
PVP Unbalanced much? - aslemn - 2011-07-22
I'd actually think it's unbalanced if Mages, Warriors and other jobs could be easily killed by a DB just stepping forward them and attacking. Every job requires a strategy, as a mage, step in front of someone and keep attacking it and you'll die, but if you move around, teleport, run, and abuse your skills, DoT and other things, you'll kill any players no matter what job he is.
Abuse the fact you can move around with FJ to avoid other people, use CoH and some other skills. DB's are just another class, not like the best one around in PvP like they are in the actual MS. :x
PvP requires you to build up a strategy and think a lot about what you're doing, and not come after players and kill them because they're supposed to be weak, or that they're supposed to stand in front of your character and fight like another DB.
I don't see it as unbalanced, more likely the inverse, it'd be much more unbalanced if all jobs were based on what they are in MS, priests being defeated by everyone because they aren't very good with damage as other jobs are, but they're good in PvP because they're equal to others, and much more balanced. :x
Unbalanced would be if DB's could fly around the map, doing billions damage, and abusing i-frames when everyone is running at half of their speed around the map trying to catch it. :X
PVP Unbalanced much? - Lozmaster - 2011-07-22
serulin Wrote:Im not saying i cant defeat any warriors either, but i can't beat the best ones.
Meaning WARRIOR > THIEF class in general. IF a master thief player cannot beat a master warrior.
Are you implying you're a master dual blader?
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PVP Unbalanced much? - serulin - 2011-07-22
aslemn Wrote:I'd actually think it's unbalanced if Mages, Warriors and other jobs could be easily killed by a DB just stepping forward them and attacking. Every job requires a strategy, as a mage, step in front of someone and keep attacking it and you'll die, but if you move around, teleport, run, and abuse your skills, DoT and other things, you'll kill any players no matter what job he is.
Abuse the fact you can move around with FJ to avoid other people, use CoH and some other skills. DB's are just another class, not like the best one around in PvP like they are in the actual MS. :x
PvP requires you to build up a strategy and think a lot about what you're doing, and not come after players and kill them because they're supposed to be weak, or that they're supposed to stand in front of your character and fight like another DB.
I don't see it as unbalanced, more likely the inverse, it'd be much more unbalanced if all jobs were based on what they are in MS, priests being defeated by everyone because they aren't very good with damage as other jobs are, but they're good in PvP because they're equal to others, and much more balanced. :x
Unbalanced would be if DB's could fly around the map, doing billions damage, and abusing i-frames when everyone is running at half of their speed around the map trying to catch it. :X
FJ doesnt help when a mage is teleporting around u and spamming aoe. You will get hit, fj is not invincible. You also have to note that every time a db attacks, THAT is the oppurtunity when THEY will get hit as well. U can spend ur whole game FJ'ing around and yea u wont get hit but u wont win either. U guys gota know the difference in power. A drk and mages attacks hurt ALOt more than a db. So if u go up against a good mage or warrior the odds are against the thief.
ANyways.. what u guys have to understand... is that im not saying dbs should be able to go up against a warrior and exchange blows and win. However , i DO think their damage needs to be toned down a bit. I don't think dbs need any buff or nerf. Something is wrong when i AM using different strategies and avoiding more than 50% of his attacks and still lose because of his sheer power.
Too bad we can't 1v1 or challenge eachother directly. Because id really like some of you to SHOW me just how good you keep saying you are. When i play my hero db's dont stand a chance against me, no DB has ever killed me. Its always a mage or a long range class.
PVP Unbalanced much? - Lyrics - 2011-07-22
Yay, WHs are useless...
PVP Unbalanced much? - Aggravate - 2011-07-22
KhainiWest Wrote:ITT; someone admits they don't know how to play DB.
Haha, +1.
PVP Unbalanced much? - Ryukiroku - 2011-07-22
serulin Wrote:FJ doesnt help when a mage is teleporting around u and spamming aoe. You will get hit, fj is not invincible. You also have to note that every time a db attacks, THAT is the oppurtunity when THEY will get hit as well. U can spend ur whole game FJ'ing around and yea u wont get hit but u wont win either. U guys gota know the difference in power. A drk and mages attacks hurt ALOt more than a db. So if u go up against a good mage or warrior the odds are against the thief.
ANyways.. what u guys have to understand... is that im not saying dbs should be able to go up against a warrior and exchange blows and win. However , i DO think their damage needs to be toned down a bit. I don't think dbs need any buff or nerf. Something is wrong when i AM using different strategies and avoiding more than 50% of his attacks and still lose because of his sheer power.
Too bad we can't 1v1 or challenge eachother directly. Because id really like some of you to SHOW me just how good you keep saying you are. When i play my hero db's dont stand a chance against me, no DB has ever killed me. Its always a mage or a long range class.
KhainiWest Wrote:ITT; someone admits they don't know how to play DB.
But at least you can play a Hero.
PVP Unbalanced much? - FenixR - 2011-07-22
Did that warrior happened to be a Paladin? Im one and i LoL Everytime i enter in pvp, they need like 3-4 people to bring me down XD.
Warrior Have More Defense and More Hp than ANY other class in the game, and most have decent damage but crap mobility and range (I can't really chase Thief with flash jump or shadower with assaulter). Also this is PvP, LEARN TO BACK OUT OF A FIGHT YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY WIN, this is not PvE where you can Chug a Pot and keep attacking.
PVP Unbalanced much? - Alex123123 - 2011-07-22
dante9898 Wrote:Did that warrior happened to be a Paladin? Im one and i LoL Everytime i enter in pvp, they need like 3-4 people to bring me down XD.
Funnest battle as a Shadower/DB is against Paladins.
I just keep harassing them until they get some good hits on me. Then I go away, heal and go back to harassing them. I can only imagine how annoyed the Paladins get. lol
Hell, sometimes they completely ignore me because I can't hurt them badly enough (without getting halfway slaughtered). That's when they decide to join a bigger battle, and that's when I start to rack up the easy pickings.
I don't think I've ever killed a Paladin in a fair fight though. It just takes too many hits to kill one.
Or perhaps I'm just weaksauce.
PVP Unbalanced much? - FenixR - 2011-07-22
Alex123123 Wrote:Funnest battle as a Shadower/DB is against Paladins.
I just keep harassing them until they get some good hits on me. Then I go away, heal and go back to harassing them. I can only imagine how annoyed the Paladins get. lol
Hell, sometimes they completely ignore me because I can't hurt them badly enough (without getting halfway slaughtered). That's when they decide to join a bigger battle, and that's when I start to rack up the easy pickings.
I don't think I've ever killed a Paladin in a fair fight though. It just takes too many hits to kill one.
Or perhaps I'm just weaksauce.
We have guardian, Achilles, Divine Shield, Shield Mastery and a HP recovery skill. Trying to kill a paladin in a fair fight? hahaha i lol really.
PVP Unbalanced much? - IceCorp - 2011-07-22
Magic Guard/High HP
Try to hit & run to survive.
PVP Unbalanced much? - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-22
as a rank 9 dark knight (oh yea, i went there[for the lulz]) i can tell you that no matter your class, job, buffs or whatever, if you stand in front of a dark knight still and go into a 1vs1, you are going to get your pomegranate beat up, as a thief you have the mobility, use it to:
-steal hp up, roar consumes HP, but it's very good, so we hurt ourselves a lot and require some extra healing
-steal attack/def up, with attack up my darkknight can practically 4HKO anything that isn't a warrior, don't let me get it, you get it
-FJ out of trouble, against mages, use platforms to your advantage, fighting a mage in high ground means thay can't follow you (i'll hate you but it's the best to do <.<)
-dance around, if you stay still, you are dead meat, jumping against a drk doesn't work, use your other crap
-Venom: fk venom <.<
seriously, unless you are a paladin, you won't have a good chance 1vs1 on a DrK, besides in a warrior fight, magic crash affects dark knights the less (we keep our beholder buffs) so we lose some def, some attack, while heroes lose their combo and pallies their charges/CO
PD: i hate ice-charged paladins
PVP Unbalanced much? - Takebacker - 2011-07-22
Pro tip: If you leave because you can't win you still get BP.
PVP Unbalanced much? - FenixR - 2011-07-22
ShinkuDragon Wrote:PD: i hate ice-charged paladins
Jeez is not like we can freeze people with every attack >.>, i barely freeze people when i have Ice charge, and thats practically on every match.
PVP Unbalanced much? - iamflip - 2011-07-22
I came in here thinking it was someone who'd be complaining how DB's are OP'd in PvP.
And I see a DB complaining of how everyone else was OP'd in PvP.
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PVP Unbalanced much? - octopusprime - 2011-07-22
ITT: warriors too good at pvp.
I f'ucking loled.
PVP Unbalanced much? - ShinkuDragon - 2011-07-22
octopusprime Wrote:ITT: warriors too good at pvp.
I f'ucking loled.
COME AT ME BRO
no seriously, do it, i'll pineapple your pomegranate good. and i'll love every second of it
@dante: it's not the fact that you freeze, it's the fact that you.just.won't.go.down. and i can get freezed, which will make you EVEN HARDER to bring down, and then you can just walk away if you so wish.
PVP Unbalanced much? - FenixR - 2011-07-22
ShinkuDragon Wrote:@dante: it's not the fact that you freeze, it's the fact that you.just.won't.go.down. and i can get freezed, which will make you EVEN HARDER to bring down, and then you can just walk away if you so wish.
I declare myself guilty, kthxbye.
PVP Unbalanced much? - MetaSeraphim - 2011-07-22
Kalovale Wrote:Aside from this, I'd like to add that as a Drk, I have most problem with DBs.
As a low level Dark Knight I pop DB's like balloons left and right.
PVP Unbalanced much? - octopusprime - 2011-07-22
ShinkuDragon Wrote:COME AT ME BRO
no seriously, do it, i'll pineapple your pomegranate good. and i'll love every second of it.
Let me finish my second mask and then decide if i want to continue gearing up my Sader and taking him to 140+. This update has me considering quitting or playing even less than i do now. I have so far been s'hitting all over everything that moves on my (maybe 20% funded) BaM when not laggy (and usually top 4 when i am laggy. tele cast is the most broken thing in PVP imo). Warriors (my favorite type of character) included.
Oh and i'll have to get some cross server PvP. Which would be fu'kkin amazent. In all seriousness i wish we could battle.
Let's make noobs in Nova or something.
And then i'll eat your faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace. *trashtalktrashtalktrashtalk